High Gasoline Prices - The Plan All Along?

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goatchze
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Back in January 2021, I attended a call put on by a major O&G trade association. There, we were warned by the organizations guy in Washington that, "the Biden Admin will be coming after oil and gas with every federal agency under the Executive Branch". All were charged with considering "Climate Justice" in every action and decision they took (along with "Equity" of course).

Looking at the "100 Ways" article below, it would appear he could not have been more right.

https://www.americanenergyalliance.org/2022/05/100-ways-biden-and-the-democrats-have-made-it-harder-to-produce-oil-gas/

EPA, DOJ, DOI, SEC, DOE, FERC, Fish & Wildlife, DOT, USDA, BLM (the other one), DOL, HUD, FTC...all are mentioned as taking directed actions to hurt US oil and gas. Sure, some of the things the author puts int he above article are superfluous. But others that seem innocuous, like FERC's rule revisions, are very serious.

Then recently, I remembered a controversial remark made to the Wall Street Journal by Obama's Energy Secretary over a decade ago. He was discussing the positive aspects of rising gas prices over the next 15 years, and the fact that government policy should push to make this a reality.

"Somehow, we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe." - Steven Chu, US Secretary of Energy, 2008.

Ostensibly, these higher prices would push the economics in favor of wind and solar (and now EVs), bringing the "Green Revolution" closer to hand.

At the time, they talked about doing it with a tax, but they knew that would be unpopular, and they couldn't do it rapidly due to the "shock factor". Instead, they would try to boil-the-frog and increase the price over 15 years.

With the pain and disruption of COVID, did they just throw caution to the wind and take the shock increase now while they "have the cover"?

It sure seems so, because despite what they say to the press, the Biden admin is doing everything in its power to drive UP the cost of gasoline. They are doing nothing to drive it DOWN.

Are they finally fulfilling the objectives of the Obama Democrats from 15 years ago?
Pookers
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Yes, this is all intentional. They don't care about the environment, they care about destroying the US economy so it can be wrapped up into the globohomo government.
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Pookers said:

Yes, this is all intentional. They don't care about the environment, they care about destroying the US economy so it can be wrapped up into the globohomo government.


Yep. They know exactly what they are doing.
rocky the dog
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Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
rgag12
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I don't think people are smart enough to think that far ahead. Most people in power really just think about the now. What will get me through this election NOW. What will get me the fundraising I need NOW. What will make the shareholders/investors happy NOW.

My guess is that the unwitting culprits behind the situation today are the private sector yahoos that attend DAVOS and the world economic forum.

Years ago these people decided to throw all their weight behind green energy and wokeness because that was the "in" thing and what was making the institutional investors excited. Thus they decided to make the ESG ratings for companies.

This created an environment where it was not kosher to invest in energy companies if all they did was produce fossil fuels. This made fossil fuel companies have to explore cutting a little bit of their production in order to explore "greener" opportunities for energy. In some instances operations were shut down. This lowered the overall production and supply of fossil fuels. The demand for fossil fuels is not subject to ESG though and has not abated. So we are in a situation where demand is so far outstripping supply that we have sky rocketing prices and supply has no way to catch up for a long time.

But again, Dems and business leaders weren't smart enough to foresee this (even if it does technically help advance their overall goals). They just do and say whatever they think at the present moment will be good for them.
American Hardwood
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It's dangerous to underestimate these people.
TexAgs91
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> High Gasoline Prices - The Plan All Along?


No, I don't care what CNN or MSNBC said this time
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S540841
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You realize high gas prices are GOOD for the O&G industry? Before the election everyone was saying Biden would destroy the industry, 2 years later they're making record profits.
Dark_Knight
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Also the fact they're closing down refineries doesn't help the situation.

It absolutely is all part of their globalist plan. They're going to do everything they can to get us all driving electric cars. Possibly even get to a point to nationalize the O&G industry when it's no longer sustainable.
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American Hardwood
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Well you done gone and stepped in it now rook.
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S540841 said:

You realize high gas prices are GOOD for the O&G industry? Before the election everyone was saying Biden would destroy the industry, 2 years later they're making record profits.


Oh my...
Detmersdislocatedshoulder
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can't have a one world govt with a prosperous America.
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S540841 said:

You realize high gas prices are GOOD for the O&G industry? Before the election everyone was saying Biden would destroy the industry, 2 years later they're making record profits.
You're not supposed to drink the bong water.
Dark_Knight
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S540841 said:

You realize high gas prices are GOOD for the O&G industry? Before the election everyone was saying Biden would destroy the industry, 2 years later they're making record profits.


You're an idiot.

High prices are "good", but it's not sustainable at this high price. They can make money even at $80/bbl. Regulations hamstring them the most, especially all this new ESG nonsense.

They're making profits, but if the Govt continues to make it harder for them to continue to drill, then production numbers will fall off. So yes, Biden is doing what they can to kill the industry.
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No Spin Ag
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Dark_Knight said:

S540841 said:

You realize high gas prices are GOOD for the O&G industry? Before the election everyone was saying Biden would destroy the industry, 2 years later they're making record profits.


You're an idiot.

High prices are "good", but it's not sustainable at this high price. They can make money even at $80/bbl. Regulations hamstring them the most, especially all this new ESG nonsense.

They're making profits, but if the Govt continues to make it harder for them to continue to drill, then production numbers will fall off. So yes, Biden is doing what they can to kill the industry.


So then how long will the O&G folks be enjoying their profits before it turns the other way for them?
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AlexAggie
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If you're not making extra profit right now, you are falling behind due to inflation.
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Quote:

Are they finally fulfilling the objectives of the Obama Democrats from 15 years ago?
Without a doubt
Ellis Wyatt
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S540841 said:

You realize high gas prices are GOOD for the O&G industry? Before the election everyone was saying Biden would destroy the industry, 2 years later they're making record profits.
Mega Lops
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Most definitely all by design.

FJB and his handlers.
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No Spin Ag said:

Dark_Knight said:

S540841 said:

You realize high gas prices are GOOD for the O&G industry? Before the election everyone was saying Biden would destroy the industry, 2 years later they're making record profits.


You're an idiot.

High prices are "good", but it's not sustainable at this high price. They can make money even at $80/bbl. Regulations hamstring them the most, especially all this new ESG nonsense.

They're making profits, but if the Govt continues to make it harder for them to continue to drill, then production numbers will fall off. So yes, Biden is doing what they can to kill the industry.


So then how long will the O&G folks be enjoying their profits before it turns the other way for them?
It won't.

O&G companies will make a profit, or quit making oil. It's that simple.

The only way to eat into the big company profits is to make it profitable for smaller companies to get back into the market and collectively compete with the major players. The way it is now, with all of the tough and BS regulations, only the most established players can afford to stay in the market. Therefore, you get oligopoly level profits.

New leases are not coming online. Established wells and the budget to spent $millions fighting regulatory bull**** have created a moat around a few major players. Surprise, surprise, they are taking advantage of that.

This is 100% the fault of regulatory decisions, and could be turned around pretty quickly.
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IslanderAg04
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S540841 said:

You realize high gas prices are GOOD for the O&G industry? Before the election everyone was saying Biden would destroy the industry, 2 years later they're making record profits.


This is the problem with the BS lies spouted by Brandon.

Industry revenue is down yet profits are up, when compared to recent years. Why? O&G has stopped investing in future expansion, employment expansion, industry growth, and are running in an operational state while following a scarcity price model. FJB literally terraformed it for them. They know he'll be gone in 2 or so years where they'll began back as normal under an administration that wont backstab them. Hence why all the small companies are dormant as they cant afford the risk with shaky leadership.

This is what happens when a failed politician makes moves to cancel a dependent market we cannot function without. O&G called Bidden's bluff and now we are paying the price. Of course he'll shift them blame as he does with everything he fails at.
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Dark_Knight said:

Also the fact they're closing down refineries doesn't help the situation.

It absolutely is all part of their globalist plan. They're going to do everything they can to get us all driving electric cars. Possibly even get to a point to nationalize the O&G industry when it's no longer sustainable.


Refineries are closing due to govt regulations as well

The straw breaking the camels back are the rins requirement for diesel. Refineries are required by law not market forces to buy or "refine" biodiesel or buy biodiesel credit for each gallon of diesel they sale. I dont know the exact ration but for a 20k bbl/day refinery the cost is roughly $20 million per year
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They are heavy invested in lithium and lithium mines, battery disposable companies
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Pookers said:

Yes, this is all intentional. They don't care about the environment, they care about destroying the US economy so it can be wrapped up into the globohomo government.
except even if they're headed in that direction , those in charge won't be in office in 2 years. And if R's can get their sh*t together and make some progress in undoing this, things will be fine. We the people decide whose in charge (and no I don't believe the mass election fraud conspiracy). So hopefully if Desantis runs, this will all be put behind us
Dark_Knight
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No Spin Ag said:

Dark_Knight said:

S540841 said:

You realize high gas prices are GOOD for the O&G industry? Before the election everyone was saying Biden would destroy the industry, 2 years later they're making record profits.


You're an idiot.

High prices are "good", but it's not sustainable at this high price. They can make money even at $80/bbl. Regulations hamstring them the most, especially all this new ESG nonsense.

They're making profits, but if the Govt continues to make it harder for them to continue to drill, then production numbers will fall off. So yes, Biden is doing what they can to kill the industry.


So then how long will the O&G folks be enjoying their profits before it turns the other way for them?


Well, how long is up in the air. With govt threatening to pass a "windfall" tax, who knows. All the public companies are currently maintaining disciplined growth of 5 - 10% growth. Private equity companies are slowly ramping up.
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Dark_Knight
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I'll also add that the slow growth is also due to investor push to keep profits and dividends high and expenses low. That why jobs still aren't exploding in certain areas like geoscience. The companies aren't investing in exploration much anymore.

With the investors also comes the ESG bs. For example, some companies are ditching OBM for WBM, to satisfy some of the ESG crap and lower costs, but is that sustainable? We'll find out.
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cbr
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goatchze said:

Back in January 2021, I attended a call put on by a major O&G trade association. There, we were warned by the organizations guy in Washington that, "the Biden Admin will be coming after oil and gas with every federal agency under the Executive Branch". All were charged with considering "Climate Justice" in every action and decision they took (along with "Equity" of course).

Looking at the "100 Ways" article below, it would appear he could not have been more right.

https://www.americanenergyalliance.org/2022/05/100-ways-biden-and-the-democrats-have-made-it-harder-to-produce-oil-gas/

EPA, DOJ, DOI, SEC, DOE, FERC, Fish & Wildlife, DOT, USDA, BLM (the other one), DOL, HUD, FTC...all are mentioned as taking directed actions to hurt US oil and gas. Sure, some of the things the author puts int he above article are superfluous. But others that seem innocuous, like FERC's rule revisions, are very serious.

Then recently, I remembered a controversial remark made to the Wall Street Journal by Obama's Energy Secretary over a decade ago. He was discussing the positive aspects of rising gas prices over the next 15 years, and the fact that government policy should push to make this a reality.

"Somehow, we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe." - Steven Chu, US Secretary of Energy, 2008.

Ostensibly, these higher prices would push the economics in favor of wind and solar (and now EVs), bringing the "Green Revolution" closer to hand.

At the time, they talked about doing it with a tax, but they knew that would be unpopular, and they couldn't do it rapidly due to the "shock factor". Instead, they would try to boil-the-frog and increase the price over 15 years.

With the pain and disruption of COVID, did they just throw caution to the wind and take the shock increase now while they "have the cover"?

It sure seems so, because despite what they say to the press, the Biden admin is doing everything in its power to drive UP the cost of gasoline. They are doing nothing to drive it DOWN.

Are they finally fulfilling the objectives of the Obama Democrats from 15 years ago?


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