https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/


" Nearly eight-in-ten (79%) U.S. murders in 2020 19,384 out of 24,576 involved a firearm. That marked the highest percentage since at least 1968, the earliest year for which the CDC has online records. A little over half (53%) of all suicides in 2020 24,292 out of 45,979 involved a gun, a percentage that has generally remained stable in recent years."

" How has the rate of U.S. gun deaths changed over time?

While 2020 saw the highest total number of gun deaths in the U.S., this statistic does not take into account the nation's growing population. On a per capita basis, there were 13.6 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 2020 the highest rate since the mid-1990s, but still well below the peak of 16.3 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 1974."

" The gun murder and gun suicide rates in the U.S. both remain below their peak levels. There were 6.2 gun murders per 100,000 people in 2020, below the rate of 7.2 recorded in 1974. And there were 7.0 gun suicides per 100,000 people in 2020, below the rate of 7.7 measured in 1977. (One caveat when considering the 1970s figures: In the CDC's database, gun murders and gun suicides between 1968 and 1978 are classified as those caused by firearms and explosives. In subsequent years, they are classified as deaths involving firearms only.)"

" How many people are killed in mass shootings in the U.S. every year?

This is a difficult question to answer because there is no single, agreed-upon definition of the term "mass shooting." Definitions can vary depending on factors including the number of victims and the circumstances of the shooting.

The FBI collects data on "active shooter incidents," which it defines as "one or more individuals actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area." Using the FBI's definition, 38 people excluding the shooters died in such incidents in 2020.

The Gun Violence Archive, an online database of gun violence incidents in the U.S., defines mass shootings as incidents in which four or more people are shot, even if no one was killed (again excluding the shooters). Using this definition, 513 people died in these incidents in 2020.

Regardless of the definition being used, fatalities in mass shooting incidents in the U.S. account for a small fraction of all gun murders that occur nationwide each year."

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Just to reiterate, there are fewer gun deaths per capita than in 1974. Suicides by gun rose in 2020, the lockdown year.

Way to many facts for people who make all decisions based on emotion.

However I do agree with your sentiment.

Thats great data relevant to a criminal justice and mental health reform debate. But i dont see anyone debating that. Its not relevant to a 2nd amendment debate.

"Eight in ten" is just poor writing.

Four in five.

TexasRebel said:

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"Eight in ten" is just poor writing.

Four in five.

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Or ya know, 80 percent, but that's too hard to understand I guess?

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Using the FBI's definition, 38 people excluding the shooters died in such incidents in 2020.

The Gun Violence Archive, an online database of gun violence incidents in the U.S., defines mass shootings as incidents in which four or more people are shot, even if no one was killed (again excluding the shooters). Using this definition, 513 people died in these incidents in 2020.

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Using the low estimate of 300,000,000 US Citizens, 0.00000171% of Americans died due to a mass shooting in 2020.

Americans also died in 2020,

0.000002206666667% from hands, feet, fists, etc
0.000038846666667% from drunk driving
0.001666666666667 from smoking

The problem with using this data to try and argue against gun laws is that school shooting involve a random person shooting a bunch of kids.

Most murders involve adults and many of those are gang violence. You expect gangs to kill each other, you're shocked, but no surprised a husband goes after his wife's lover. What you don't expect however, is your elementary school child to come home from school in a body bag.

So yes, mass shooting are a very small part of the total gun death picture, but a huge part of the child killed by violence picture. Nobody can compute a child killed in a violent manner. Most of use love our children and do everything to protect them. Even bad parents aren't murdering their children (yes, I know it happens but it's a very, very small number). Heck, every time something is posted about a parent abusing or killing a child half this board suggests their is only one solution for the perp and it does not involve jail time.

Yes, it's a completely emotional argument by the left, and even moderates. But a child killed in a mass shooting just does not compute with most of the population, so reasoning with them is nearly impossible.

EDIT to add, from the numbers above mine, 650k or 0.2% die every year from heart disease, yet we're not banning fast foot or telling obese people they get to pay more for healthcare until they get fit. Hell, some companies are actively encouraging it!

Heart disease isn't just from unhealthy lifestyles.

TexasRebel said:

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Heart disease isn't just from unhealthy lifestyles.

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Just mostly

This is about taking guns from the law abiding so that govt can continue to push overbearing policy

The "children" gun death stats that Biden spouted off was mostly black teenage gang bangers, but he delivered remarks as if it was school children. Liberals don't know any better. It wouldn't be an effective Dem strategy if we didn't have so many clueless morons.

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The "children" gun death stats that Biden spouted off was mostly black teenage gang bangers, but he delivered remarks as if it was school children. Liberals don't know any better. It wouldn't be an effective Dem strategy if we didn't have so many clueless morons.

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They know better, they just don't care because the ends justify the means.

Democrat Rep. David Cicilline: “spare me the bullshit about constitutional rights” pic.twitter.com/7mvcbQ6muz

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) June 3, 2022

TexasRebel said:

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Heart disease isn't just from unhealthy lifestyles.

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https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/lifestyle-changes-to-lower-heart-disease-risk-2019110218125

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Nearly half of all premature deaths may be due to unhealthy lifestyle choices, such as insufficient exercise, poor diet, and smoking. These risk factors increase the risk of high blood pressure, diabetes, heart attack, and stroke.

The good news is that lifestyle changes can make a difference. In a study analyzing over 55,000 people, those with favorable lifestyle habits such as not smoking, not being obese, engaging in regular physical activity, and eating a healthy diet lowered their heart disease risk by nearly 50%.

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Half of all deaths are due to lifestyle choices. I just picked HD b/c it's the number one killer in America. But we don't shut down the country, riot, destroy businesses, put people out of work (essential vs non-essential), make people die alone b/c no visitors allowed in the hospital, force a shot on folks who don't need it, restrict travel, lock people up for walking on the beach, shut down our schools (screwing over the poor more than anyone)...shall I continue?

No one talks about the NUMBER ONE KILLER IN AMERICA b/c it doesn't make headlines.

the same exact thing can be said about children in the womb - wonder if he agrees with that ?

When was the AR 15 invented?

What % of mass shootings are done with AR 15?

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Even bad parents aren't murdering their children (yes, I know it happens but it's a very, very small number).

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I know two men who's wives murdered their children and have an acquaintance who's father killed his sister. But despite living in Galveston county where Santa Fe is, I don't know any parents who's kids were killed in a school shooting.

Based on my anecdotal experience, I would bet parental killings are less rare than school shootings.

TexasRebel said:

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Four in five.

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Sounds like a toothpaste commercial.

In the last 2 years there has also been 17 million new first time legal gun owners.

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TexasRebel said:

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Heart disease isn't just from unhealthy lifestyles.

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https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/lifestyle-changes-to-lower-heart-disease-risk-2019110218125

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Nearly half of all premature deaths may be due to unhealthy lifestyle choices, such as insufficient exercise, poor diet, and smoking. These risk factors increase the risk of high blood pressure, diabetes, heart attack, and stroke.

The good news is that lifestyle changes can make a difference. In a study analyzing over 55,000 people, those with favorable lifestyle habits such as not smoking, not being obese, engaging in regular physical activity, and eating a healthy diet lowered their heart disease risk by nearly 50%.

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Half of all deaths are due to lifestyle choices. I just picked HD b/c it's the number one killer in America. But we don't shut down the country, riot, destroy businesses, put people out of work (essential vs non-essential), make people die alone b/c no visitors allowed in the hospital, force a shot on folks who don't need it, restrict travel, lock people up for walking on the beach, shut down our schools (screwing over the poor more than anyone)...shall I continue?

No one talks about the NUMBER ONE KILLER IN AMERICA b/c it doesn't make headlines.

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You mean half of all pre-mature deaths? As far as I know, 100% of the population will eventually die of something.

DGU (Defensive Gun Use) is rising fast, and the capital of that in the country is…Chicago.

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The CDC produced a study in 2012 and the results weren't something the Obama administration or his anti-gun allies wanted to hear.

Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gunuses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million.

For whatever reason, that was the last time the CDC tried to do a major study on defensive gun uses. Yet another survey estimated that an average of 1,029,615 households use guns every year for self-defense in the five-year period they studied.

The Crime Prevention Research Center recently published an article with a long list of cases in which good guys with guns stopped armed psychopaths who were on a shooting spree. Dr. John Lott wrote the book More Guns, Less Crime and concluded that, "Having a gun is by far the safest course of action when people are facing a criminal by themselves."

You might even say that God created men, but Sam Colt made them equal.

This is the part that people who think guns don't save lives don't understand…or refuse to acknowledge. You virtually always face a criminal on your own. By the time someone dials 911, it's too late. In other words, you are your own first responder.

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Kourtney Redmond is The Illinois State Director of the National African American Gun Association and the President of the 761st Gun Club in Chicago. I showed him the map of locations where the defensive gunuses I was able to identify have occurred. he said . . .

When looking at where most of the self-defense situations in Chicago take place, they often happen in impoverished neighborhoods on the south and west side (black communities) of our great city. People that support gun control all too often do not have to stay in these neighborhoods.

The police have no constitutional duty to protect citizens who are not in custody. The black community in Chicago is starting to realize that. Gun ownership in the black community has grown exponentially. Leading those numbers are black women. We, like every other community, want to exercise our Second Amendment Right to self-defense, which the constitution grants all citizens of this great nation.

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Interesting organization. Good for them.

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Presently 19% of African Americans nationwide own firearms. Since at least 2015, this percentage has grown, with doctors, lawyers, dentists, business men and women, plumbers, single moms, republicans, democrats, and many more all becoming active firearm owners in today's society. The perception and reality of African Americans owning guns is changing. In 2012, the Pew Research Center conducted a national survey and found that only 29% of African-American households viewed guns as positive. In 2015, that same survey showed a dramatic jump to 59% where now a majority of African-American families see guns as not only a positive thing but, in many cases, a necessity. In today's society, every member of our community, if they want, can legally purchase a gun. African Americans in record numbers are now joining gun clubs, going to the gun range, participating in outdoor hunting, and even participating in competitive shooting events. Single Black women are now one of the fastest growing demographic groups in the African-American community who are purchasing guns for protection. The future is bright for active firearm ownership within our community now and for years to come.

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