21 people lost their life and I'm not trying to minimize that. But 250,000 people die EACH year due to medical errors.

If you do the math that is over 32 Uvaldes every day of the year. Yet we hear nothing about that.

Also, there are reported over 20 million "assault" rifles in circulation that harm no one. The incident was horrific but we are going to hear about it as if it the the most important issue facing our country.

Whataboutism at its finest. One has nothing to do with the other. It is sad that we don't try to improve our country on multiple fronts at the same time.

Bottom line a whole bunch of folks are going to use Uvalde folks and the tragedy for their benefit.

Merkle who laid wreath or dropped a teddy bear will talk about her experiences in Uvalde.

Politicians will use this to overeaching gun grab.

Metal health issues will.not be discussed. Keeping that subject for skate Olympians who take a spot on a team And pull a no show.

There will be books written, hours upon hours filmed. Documentaries…..most likely the fat may from Michigan will fill one. He is despicable enough to do one.

Then once every outside who has gotten what they wanted out of Uvalde only then will they ge left alone to grieve and heal.

GeorgiAg said:

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21 people lost their life and I'm not trying to minimize that. But 250,000 people die EACH year due to medical errors.

If you do the math that is over 32 Uvaldes every day of the year. Yet we hear nothing about that.

Also, there are reported over 20 million "assault" rifles in circulation that harm no one. The incident was horrific but we are going to hear about it as if it the the most important issue facing our country.

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So is medical errors in your view the most important issue facing the country right now?

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GeorgiAg said:

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21 people lost their life and I'm not trying to minimize that. But 250,000 people die EACH year due to medical errors.

If you do the math that is over 32 Uvaldes every day of the year. Yet we hear nothing about that.

Also, there are reported over 20 million "assault" rifles in circulation that harm no one. The incident was horrific but we are going to hear about it as if it the the most important issue facing our country.

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So is medical errors in your view the most important issue facing the country right now?

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Most? No. More important than banning assault rifles? Yes.

FCBlitz said:

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Bottom line a whole bunch of folks are going to use Uvalde folks and the tragedy for their benefit.

Merkle who laid wreath or dropped a teddy bear will talk about her experiences in Uvalde.

Politicians will use this to overeaching gun grab.

Metal health issues will.not be discussed. Keeping that subject for skate Olympians who take a spot on a team And pull a no show.

There will be books written, hours upon hours filmed. Documentaries…..most likely the fat may from Michigan will fill one. He is despicable enough to do one.

Then once every outside who has gotten what they wanted out of Uvalde only then will they ge left alone to grieve and heal.

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Agreed… let's just do what's always done all over again. The left will rage with emotions and not be thoughtful about how to prevent these tragedies and propose insanely overreaching policies that will never get buy in.

The right will do the exact same thing they always do. They'll claim now isn't the time to talk about this, plug their ears, and point to every thing about that specific shooting to deter from the idea of even the slightest bit of federal regulation. A couple politicians on the right will act outraged for a few weeks and join some committee for better gun regulation (I think Susan Collins is one this time) but ultimately puss out and the right will just run the clock out on the story once again.

Banning certain types of guns probably isn't the answer… you are correct and you are also correct that school shootings aren't the biggest issue facing this country. But what's happening now around it is. Speaking of mental health… the issue facing this county right now is doing the same thing over and over and expecting anything different.

This will happen again because nothing will change. Always remember this quote: The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. Point to the left or right all you want but the real problem are too many people in America are cool with mediocrity. If you look around the world and then here and just accept hey… mass shootings just is what it is… you are a mediocre person.

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FCBlitz said:

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Bottom line a whole bunch of folks are going to use Uvalde folks and the tragedy for their benefit.

Merkle who laid wreath or dropped a teddy bear will talk about her experiences in Uvalde.

Politicians will use this to overeaching gun grab.

Metal health issues will.not be discussed. Keeping that subject for skate Olympians who take a spot on a team And pull a no show.

There will be books written, hours upon hours filmed. Documentaries…..most likely the fat may from Michigan will fill one. He is despicable enough to do one.

Then once every outside who has gotten what they wanted out of Uvalde only then will they ge left alone to grieve and heal.

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Agreed… let's just do what's always done all over again. The left will rage with emotions and not be thoughtful about how to prevent these tragedies and propose insanely overreaching policies that will never get buy in.

The right will do the exact same thing they always do. They'll claim now isn't the time to talk about this, plug their ears, and point to every thing about that specific shooting to deter from the idea of even the slightest bit of federal regulation. A couple politicians on the right will act outraged for a few weeks and join some committee for better gun regulation (I think Susan Collins is one this time) but ultimately puss out and the right will just run the clock out on the story once again.

Banning certain types of guns probably isn't the answer… you are correct and you are also correct that school shootings aren't the biggest issue facing this country. But what's happening now around it is. Speaking of mental health… the issue facing this county right now is doing the same thing over and over and expecting anything different.

This will happen again because nothing will change. Always remember this quote: The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. Point to the left or right all you want but the real problem are too many people in America are cool with mediocrity. If you look around the world and then here and just accept hey… mass shootings just is what it is… you are a mediocre person.

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Agree that mental health is the root cause of almost all these mass shootings. However, what is being done to address the issue? Texas and Florida are two of the worst states in the country when it comes to supplying financial resources to mental health. Both have had multiple mass shootings in the last several years. You are absolutely correct though that the playbook is to run the clock out, do nothing, and just wait for the next school shooting.

Empirically speaking, based on where most gun deaths occur, if people would stop electing Democrats we'd have a whole lot fewer gun deaths.

https://news.yahoo.com/chicagos-797-homicides-2021-highest-033718680.html

There we're 797 homocides in Chicago last year alone (almost 38x Uvalde), but no one I think twice about one of the strictest gun controlled cities in the states).

GeorgiAg said:

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21 people lost their life and I'm not trying to minimize that. But 250,000 people die EACH year due to medical errors.

If you do the math that is over 32 Uvaldes every day of the year. Yet we hear nothing about that.

Also, there are reported over 20 million "assault" rifles in circulation that harm no one. The incident was horrific but we are going to hear about it as if it the the most important issue facing our country.

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Your example is a one death at a time occurrence, vs 21 all at once and most of them children.. there is your difference.

Heisenberg01 said:

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Whataboutism at its finest. One has nothing to do with the other. It is sad that we don't try to improve our country on multiple fronts at the same time.

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It is clear that mistakes were made but that is some what looking back. How were these law enforcement officers affected by the previous years of demonizing police and 2nd guessing them after the fact? This entire sequence of events really starts at least a year in the past. It starts with the bulling , his parents not in his life, the school not reporting to authorities enough to allow intervention, the local law enforcement leadership not anticipating the likelihood of a mass shooting, and then finally the guns that were sold to the kid. Even though it was legal the gun shop should have alerted the law enforcement that a legal purchase had been made, but, but, but. Hey you guys need to look at this.

Too many times people need to act and say something. This kid was no stranger in this town.

Then there is the debacle at the school where there was clear lack of training and the door that was propped open. Wow. The kid should have been stopped outside and the response to a shooter around the school should have been better.

Heisenberg01 said:

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Whataboutism at its finest. One has nothing to do with the other. It is sad that we don't try to improve our country on multiple fronts at the same time.

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My thread is titled "perspective" and you're mad I am comparing two things?

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ATM9000 said:

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FCBlitz said:

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Bottom line a whole bunch of folks are going to use Uvalde folks and the tragedy for their benefit.

Merkle who laid wreath or dropped a teddy bear will talk about her experiences in Uvalde.

Politicians will use this to overeaching gun grab.

Metal health issues will.not be discussed. Keeping that subject for skate Olympians who take a spot on a team And pull a no show.

There will be books written, hours upon hours filmed. Documentaries…..most likely the fat may from Michigan will fill one. He is despicable enough to do one.

Then once every outside who has gotten what they wanted out of Uvalde only then will they ge left alone to grieve and heal.

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Agreed… let's just do what's always done all over again. The left will rage with emotions and not be thoughtful about how to prevent these tragedies and propose insanely overreaching policies that will never get buy in.

The right will do the exact same thing they always do. They'll claim now isn't the time to talk about this, plug their ears, and point to every thing about that specific shooting to deter from the idea of even the slightest bit of federal regulation. A couple politicians on the right will act outraged for a few weeks and join some committee for better gun regulation (I think Susan Collins is one this time) but ultimately puss out and the right will just run the clock out on the story once again.

Banning certain types of guns probably isn't the answer… you are correct and you are also correct that school shootings aren't the biggest issue facing this country. But what's happening now around it is. Speaking of mental health… the issue facing this county right now is doing the same thing over and over and expecting anything different.

This will happen again because nothing will change. Always remember this quote: The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. Point to the left or right all you want but the real problem are too many people in America are cool with mediocrity. If you look around the world and then here and just accept hey… mass shootings just is what it is… you are a mediocre person.

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Agree that mental health is the root cause of almost all these mass shootings. However, what is being done to address the issue? Texas and Florida are two of the worst states in the country when it comes to supplying financial resources to mental health. Both have had multiple mass shootings in the last several years. You are absolutely correct though that the playbook is to run the clock out, do nothing, and just wait for the next school shooting.

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It makes people feel better to do something simple that will not work than to get at the root of the problem. I don't pretend to have all of the answers, but I suspect that it is a combination of factors like fatherlessness, opioids and other drugs, both legal and illegal, degradation of community in our society, and, dare I say it, a rejection of God. These kinds of problems are very difficult to solve even when the people agree and work together. As divided as our society is, I don't see how we will ever make progress on them.

The left always utilize useful idiots with their feel better agenda.

They literally said they want to get rid of border patrol, ICE, police, school officers, and release criminals. In many instances they did just that.

Now it's the usual grab the guns! Plenty of useful idiots out there and many are the same ones that said get rid of police.

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21 people lost their life and I'm not trying to minimize that. But 250,000 people die EACH year due to medical errors.

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Based on the changing criteria for medical school students, I'm guessing that medical errors will increase.

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GeorgiAg said:

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21 people lost their life and I'm not trying to minimize that. But 250,000 people die EACH year due to medical errors.

If you do the math that is over 32 Uvaldes every day of the year. Yet we hear nothing about that.

Also, there are reported over 20 million "assault" rifles in circulation that harm no one. The incident was horrific but we are going to hear about it as if it the the most important issue facing our country.

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Your example is a one death at a time occurrence, vs 21 all at once and most of them children.. there is your difference.

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It is horrifying and should warrant a good look into practical and useful preventative measures but it is also an outlier in the data, and many other routine risks are a greater statistical threat.

In this case, several terrible errors were made that allowed this situation to become much worse than it otherwise may have.

What if the person chooses not to get mental health treatment? Are you ready to force people to be locked up again for long periods of time?

Be careful. A liberal poster on here got upset when someone pointed out the breakdown of the family is a cause of this. Of course I was in ban camp so I couldn't point out his ignorance.

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What if the person chooses not to get mental health treatment? Are you ready to force people to be locked up again for long periods of time?

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At the minimum, I would make it a requirement when lack of responsibility could lead to an outcome of lethal consequences. I don't have an issue with mental health standards for obtaining a drivers license, gun ownership, and even voting, which likely would upset the left. Some states already have restrictions on voting for those of an unsound mind.

So you are going to go confiscate guns from those that refuse?

Heisenberg01 said:

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Whataboutism at its finest. One has nothing to do with the other. It is sad that we don't try to improve our country on multiple fronts at the same time.

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I agree. We need to re-open nut houses. We need to prosecute gun crimes. We need to stop sealing children's criminal records for violent or gun-related offenses. People need to pay much closer attention to liberals.

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ATM9000 said:

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FCBlitz said:

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Bottom line a whole bunch of folks are going to use Uvalde folks and the tragedy for their benefit.

Merkle who laid wreath or dropped a teddy bear will talk about her experiences in Uvalde.

Politicians will use this to overeaching gun grab.

Metal health issues will.not be discussed. Keeping that subject for skate Olympians who take a spot on a team And pull a no show.

There will be books written, hours upon hours filmed. Documentaries…..most likely the fat may from Michigan will fill one. He is despicable enough to do one.

Then once every outside who has gotten what they wanted out of Uvalde only then will they ge left alone to grieve and heal.

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Agreed… let's just do what's always done all over again. The left will rage with emotions and not be thoughtful about how to prevent these tragedies and propose insanely overreaching policies that will never get buy in.

The right will do the exact same thing they always do. They'll claim now isn't the time to talk about this, plug their ears, and point to every thing about that specific shooting to deter from the idea of even the slightest bit of federal regulation. A couple politicians on the right will act outraged for a few weeks and join some committee for better gun regulation (I think Susan Collins is one this time) but ultimately puss out and the right will just run the clock out on the story once again.

Banning certain types of guns probably isn't the answer… you are correct and you are also correct that school shootings aren't the biggest issue facing this country. But what's happening now around it is. Speaking of mental health… the issue facing this county right now is doing the same thing over and over and expecting anything different.

This will happen again because nothing will change. Always remember this quote: The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. Point to the left or right all you want but the real problem are too many people in America are cool with mediocrity. If you look around the world and then here and just accept hey… mass shootings just is what it is… you are a mediocre person.

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Agree that mental health is the root cause of almost all these mass shootings. However, what is being done to address the issue? Texas and Florida are two of the worst states in the country when it comes to supplying financial resources to mental health. Both have had multiple mass shootings in the last several years. You are absolutely correct though that the playbook is to run the clock out, do nothing, and just wait for the next school shooting.

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Bow much money is Texas having to spend on illegal aliens because our federal government is invading us? If the government enforced our border, as they're legally required to do, how much more money could Texas spend on other things?

Hint: it's billions of dollars.

No I would not confiscate anything. I would stop selling guns to those that are mentally unsound. If I were to inconvenience existing gun owners who shoot high volume of rounds (including all those gangs in Chicago that people like to reference) , I would tax the crap out of the ammunition for those guns. I imagine an excessive surcharge on ammo like we see on gasoline and cigarettes would make it significantly more difficult for a kid working at Wendy's to afford a mass shooting. Why confiscate guns when the much easier and constitutional action would be is to instead address something that people dispose of on their own?

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https://news.yahoo.com/chicagos-797-homicides-2021-highest-033718680.html

There we're 797 homocides in Chicago last year alone (almost 38x Uvalde), but no one I think twice about one of the strictest gun controlled cities in the states).

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I'm assuming that's a typo???

So I have an adult family member who is mentally ill and is under his mother's legal guardianship and conservatorship. Despite these legal authorities, the medical system largely prevents the mother from participating in his medical care, especially and ironically during the several times he has been institutionalized in state facilities (not in Texas) for 10 day long observation periods for psychiatric evaluation. If the patient denies the mother access to information, the state honors that over the guardianship/conservatorship and drugs are prescribed/given, the high functioning patient spins his condition, walks out 10 days later, and the cycle repeats. One hopes when this comes to its eventual conclusion, only the ill individual ends up paying for the system's mistakes.

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ChemEAg08 said:

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https://news.yahoo.com/chicagos-797-homicides-2021-highest-033718680.html

There we're 797 homocides in Chicago last year alone (almost 38x Uvalde), but no one I think twice about one of the strictest gun controlled cities in the states).

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I'm assuming that's a typo???

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Chicago has the 3rd largest population in the country. Murder per capita are the objective numbers to go by.

The question is who decides. The state or the family? How do we ensure these new powers aren't abused by incompetent bureaucrats or unscrupulous family members? What if there is no family…who protects the individual's rights despite their illness? It's rarely black and white.

Nobody cares when thugs shoot thugs. It's part of living in the big city.

No idea how you solve mental health in this country. It needs investment and work but the prospect of having Democrats in charge who will immediately abuse it and simply commit people for wrongthink scares the hell out of me.

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Martin Cash said:

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ChemEAg08 said:

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https://news.yahoo.com/chicagos-797-homicides-2021-highest-033718680.html

There we're 797 homocides in Chicago last year alone (almost 38x Uvalde), but no one I think twice about one of the strictest gun controlled cities in the states).

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I'm assuming that's a typo???

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Chicago has the 3rd largest population in the country. Murder per capita are the objective numbers to go by.

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That's not the point. The word is 'homicide,' not homocide.