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The Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office has released evidence related to the deadly shooting on “Rust” movie set in New Mexico last year. Included is this clip of the scene where the film’s cinematographer was killed by a gun in Alec Baldwin’s hands pic.twitter.com/enNq4sJLo7

— J.D. Miles (@jdmiles11) April 25, 2022

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If he was doing the same thing when he shot Hutchins if that's where his finger was that would explain a lot and that's problematic, and not good for Baldwin. It's not clear if this footage was of that particular moment immediately before the shooting. Baldwin has claimed he did not pull the trigger.

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So it was one of those self-shooting guns that we need to get banned.

Wasn't the trigger going to be pulled for the actual shot (no pun intended, can't think of a synonym) regardless?

If he did he deserves to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

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If he did he deserves to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

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He fans the hammer while depressing the trigger.

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The people who hate guns so much are the same people who like to play with guns. What is up with that?

icrymyselftosleep said:

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Wasn't the trigger going to be pulled for the actual shot (no pun intended, can't think of a synonym) regardless?

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Agreed - wasn't it supposed to be blanks and actual trigger to be pulled?

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rocky the dog said:

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The people who hate guns so much are the same people who like to play with guns. What is up with that?

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leachfan said:

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icrymyselftosleep said:

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Wasn't the trigger going to be pulled for the actual shot (no pun intended, can't think of a synonym) regardless?

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Agreed - wasn't it supposed to be blanks and actual trigger to be pulled?

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I'm sure the Baldwin dogpiling is fun, but the blame should be on the armorer, right?

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icrymyselftosleep said:

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Wasn't the trigger going to be pulled for the actual shot (no pun intended, can't think of a synonym) regardless?

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Agreed - wasn't it supposed to be blanks and actual trigger to be pulled?

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I'm sure the Baldwin dogpiling is fun, but the blame should be on the armorer, right?

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Yeah, really should focus the blame on the armorer and the producers that hired an incompetent and unqualified armorer.

Yes, but I am guessing it would have been pulled in a safe direction regardless of the blanks.
I vaguely remember him mentioning his thumb slipped on the hammer but he didn't pull the trigger. If his finger were heavy enough on the trigger and the hammer slipped, it could have been enough to allow the gun to fire while he was drawing.

Still should've been set up so that he wasn't sweeping across people with the gun, and of course the issue of having live rounds on the set.

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icrymyselftosleep said:

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Wasn't the trigger going to be pulled for the actual shot (no pun intended, can't think of a synonym) regardless?

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Agreed - wasn't it supposed to be blanks and actual trigger to be pulled?

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I'm sure the Baldwin dogpiling is fun, but the blame should be on the armorer, right?

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There's a lot of blame to go around. But ultimately, he fired the gun, it was his set as the Executive Producer and other gun safety violations had already occurred, meaning such accidents were forseeable. A lot of civil liability and still potential criminal negligence..

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Wasn't the trigger going to be pulled for the actual shot (no pun intended, can't think of a synonym) regardless?

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he claimed the gun went off without him pulling the trigger

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icrymyselftosleep said:

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Wasn't the trigger going to be pulled for the actual shot (no pun intended, can't think of a synonym) regardless?

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Agreed - wasn't it supposed to be blanks and actual trigger to be pulled?

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I'm sure the Baldwin dogpiling is fun, but the blame should be on the armorer, right?

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Yeah, really should focus the blame on the armorer and the producers that hired an incompetent and unqualified armorer.

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I believe Baldwin was one of the producers. And if I remember correctly, there were previous safety issues on the set that were not addressed because they were trying to keep a low budget.

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icrymyselftosleep said:

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Wasn't the trigger going to be pulled for the actual shot (no pun intended, can't think of a synonym) regardless?

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Agreed - wasn't it supposed to be blanks and actual trigger to be pulled?

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I'm sure the Baldwin dogpiling is fun, but the blame should be on the armorer, right?

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Yeah, really should focus the blame on the armorer and the producers that hired an incompetent and unqualified armorer.

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one look at her and you could've determined that! Blue and purple hair......don't care!

Baldwin should be in jail!

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icrymyselftosleep said:

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Wasn't the trigger going to be pulled for the actual shot (no pun intended, can't think of a synonym) regardless?

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Agreed - wasn't it supposed to be blanks and actual trigger to be pulled?

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I'm sure the Baldwin dogpiling is fun, but the blame should be on the armorer, right?

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Yeah, really should focus the blame on the armorer and the producers that hired an incompetent and unqualified armorer.

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I believe Baldwin was one of the producers. And if I remember correctly, there were previous safety issues on the set that were not addressed because they were trying to keep a low budget.

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I'm aware, I figured the goaltender wasn't and I didn't want to spell it out for them in case they decided to agree.

Look, as a person HANDLING A FIREARM, it is YOUR responsibility to know what kind of rounds, if any, are chambered. Period.
How anyone can try and shift blame on the death of an individual from the person that pulled the trigger is beyond me.
Irresponsible hiring of an inept armorer? Yep, you bet.
Irresponsible executive producer knowingly providing an unsafe work environment? Yep, you bet.

But the ULTIMATE responsibility is the person holding the firearm.

I'm goaltending by pointing at the person whose sole job is to oversee the arms?

This is the answer. Safety 101

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I'm goaltending by pointing at the person whose sole job is to oversee the arms?

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Who hired the obviously incompetent person and then refused to address the multiple safety issues that happened because of that hire? Oh right, the shooter. Yeah, trying to limit responsibility to a single person when there were was a long list of errors and negligence that led up to this is goaltending.

He and his company will most likely dodge anything criminal.
That young girl might get popped for something negligent.
But he and his company will be writing big checks on the civil side.

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He and his company will most likely dodge anything criminal.
That young girl might get popped for something negligent.
But he and his company will be writing big checks on the civil side.

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Santa Fe is a very liberal and home to a lot of Hollywood A-listers. So criminal charges are unlikely, in my view.

I have some question whether the insurance company will pay or deny the claims, however. The limit on the policies is 6 million combined.

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I'm goaltending by pointing at the person whose sole job is to oversee the arms?

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I'm fine with multiple people going to jail over this. Guns aren't toys and people being irresponsible with guns makes it harder on those of us who are responsible. You shouldn't play around with buzzsaws either unless you know wtf you are doing and it is up to YOU to be responsible.

That ass hat bragged openly about his 'gun play' skills when he took this role.

I know a few people, including some idiots, and a few people in the military/former military service members. None of them have ever bragged about something like that. That is…especially stupid. He is special.

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That ass hat bragged openly about his 'gun play' skills when he took this role.

I know a few people, including some idiots, and a few people in the military/former military service members. None of them have ever bragged about something like that. That is…especially stupid. He is special.

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They get an Article 134 for ND in the military.

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Wasn't the trigger going to be pulled for the actual shot (no pun intended, can't think of a synonym) regardless?

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Agreed - wasn't it supposed to be blanks and actual trigger to be pulled?

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I'm sure the Baldwin dogpiling is fun, but the blame should be on the armorer, right?

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The blame should be on both. It doesn't matter if you know with absolute certainty that a gun is unloaded, you check it anyway. Additionally, no matter how certain you are of the gun being unloaded you never point it at someone and you never put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to shoot, have a clear line of site to the target and are intimately aware of what is behind your target. The armor certainly failed at her job, but Baldwin failed at practicing basic gun safety that he would know if he took safety classes instead of spending his time berating those that promote gun safety. He's an anti gun commie POS and deserves any and all consequences for his actions.

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The people who hate guns so much are the same people who like to play with guns. What is up with that?

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There is a Canadian couple in our neighborhood that fits this description. We've known them for about 15 years, and they got their US citizenship 2 years ago and are Biden/Beto signs in the yard liberals. Our daughters are the same age and they were in our Y Princess group. The dad was absolutely giddy any time we did paintball or BB/pellet gun activities. Like a kid in a candy store. Literally the most excited person there, dad or kid.

Spoiler alert: he pulled the trigger while pointing the gun at another person

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Wasn't the trigger going to be pulled for the actual shot (no pun intended, can't think of a synonym) regardless?

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If it's a single action it will not fire just by pulling the trigger. The hammer has to be cocked before the trigger will work.
As someone mentioned, he said he brushed the hammer. It would fire if he didn't "brush" it back far enough to cock it.
There you have it...He went cowboy-action!

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He fans the hammer while depressing the trigger.

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If you watch the clip in my OP you can see his thumb moving like that. Not really "fanning" per se but moving at the hammer.

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He fans the hammer while depressing the trigger.

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If you watch the clip in my OP you can see his thumb moving like that. Not really "fanning" per se but moving at the hammer.

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You are correct hawg. But since the traditional "fanning of the hammer" uses the opposite hand in rapid succession, I simply lack the terminology to describe Baldwin's dumbassery- so I went with "fan with thumb".

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He fans the hammer while depressing the trigger.

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If you watch the clip in my OP you can see his thumb moving like that. Not really "fanning" per se but moving at the hammer.

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You are correct hawg. But since the traditional "fanning of the hammer" uses the opposite hand in rapid succession, I simply lack the terminology to describe Baldwin's dumbassery- so I went with "fan with thumb".

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Yeah. Baldwin says he never "pulled the trigger" but cocking the hammer far enough back and releasing while his finger is on the trigger can cause a discharge, from my understanding. Just very sloppy in handling the gun even during rehearsal. Looks very awkward during that cross draw. That is a technique that really needs to be practiced a lot.