Edward Snowden

How much longer does Putin find this idiot useful?

Snowden reveals to the American people and the world how the government and big tech are actively spying on them and violating their privacy............................. and Snowden is the idiot?

Edward Snowden is an American hero. You'd have to be a useful idiot to not realize that.

The fact that you find Snowden the idiot shows how ignorant you are.

Snowden is a ****ing hero.

Snowden never intended to stay in Russia. He is in Russia because Obama screwed him over. His original plan was to fly from Hong Kong, after providing the Washington Post and others with the archive, then go fly through Moscow on his way to South America. He intended to seek asylum in Ecuador or Bolivia.

Kerry had his passport invalidated and he was stuck in the Russian airport. Biden then threatened every South American country and they all backed out on asylum.

That all happened before he asked for asylum from Russia. At that point, he didn't have any options.

He's not a Russian agent. Never was.

Rogan got two episodes with Snowden that are worth a listen.

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Snowden reveals to the American people and the world how the government and big tech are actively spying on them and violating their privacy............................. and Snowden is the idiot?

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Even a broken clock can be correct on occasion. If you want to call him a hero for one serendipitous act that is your choice, but he is still an idiot.

Why is he an idiot?

The NSA was running mass surveillance against the citizens of this country. The only reason they were outed and stopped is because of Snowden.

Clapper lied about it to the Senate and yet walks around a free man. Snowden is a prisoner in Russia.

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Why is he an idiot?

The NSA was running mass surveillance against the citizens of this country. The only reason they were outed and stopped is because of Snowden.

Clapper lied about it to the Senate and yet walks around a free man. Snowden is a prisoner in Russia.

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That haven't stopped anything.

He gave the Russians and the Chinese everything. Everything. All NSA programs, allowing our enemies to patch up their vulnerabilities and blind us. The Russians seized on domestic metadata collection to turn what was an espionage win into an information warfare win. The NSA and the DNI (Clapper) lied about the fact of, and extent of, domestic metadata collection. It was an atrocious violation of civil liberties, but that is less than 1% of what Snowden provided to our enemies.

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He gave the Russians and the Chinese everything. Everything. All NSA programs, allowing our enemies to patch up their vulnerabilities and blind us. The Russians seized on domestic metadata collection to turn what was an espionage win into an information warfare win. The NSA and the DNI (Clapper) lied about the fact of, and extent of, domestic metadata collection. It was an atrocious violation of civil liberties, but that is less than 1% of what Snowden provided to our enemies.

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Your first statement is false. He never gave the Russians and Chinese anything. He gave the info to certain media, eg Post, Guardian, etc.

If we were that blinded by what Snowden did, how did we essentially know everything that the Russians were doing pre Ukraine? The intelligence that we shared with the Chinese that they then shared wuth Russia? Why were the Russians not able to block it?

Can you point to a single incident, based on the Snowden outage, where the Russians or Chinese were able to use that information to their advantage against us?

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Snowden reveals to the American people and the world how the government and big tech are actively spying on them and violating their privacy............................. and Snowden is the idiot?

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Was the NSA actively spying on communications that were strictly within this country? If they had been better at doing so, maybe they would have caught the 9/11 attackers. As it is, none of us know how many other such attacks they might have thwarted.

I've long assumed that they were intercepting phone calls going overseas. I think it was mentioned in The Puzzle Palace but I may be wrong -- it's been years since I read the book shortly after it came out.

If they are listening to my phone calls, they have got to be bored out of their minds.

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Marcus Brutus said:

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Why is he an idiot?

The NSA was running mass surveillance against the citizens of this country. The only reason they were outed and stopped is because of Snowden.

Clapper lied about it to the Senate and yet walks around a free man. Snowden is a prisoner in Russia.

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That haven't stopped anything.

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You are most likely correct.

Statists on this thread blatantly supporting big gov and big tech

Disgusting

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He gave the Russians and the Chinese everything. Everything. All NSA programs, allowing our enemies to patch up their vulnerabilities and blind us. The Russians seized on domestic metadata collection to turn what was an espionage win into an information warfare win. The NSA and the DNI (Clapper) lied about the fact of, and extent of, domestic metadata collection. It was an atrocious violation of civil liberties, but that is less than 1% of what Snowden provided to our enemies.

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Your first statement is false. He never gave the Russians and Chinese anything. He gave the info to certain media, eg Post, Guardian, etc.

If we were that blinded by what Snowden did, how did we essentially know everything that the Russians were doing pre Ukraine? The intelligence that we shared with the Chinese that they then shared wuth Russia? Why were the Russians not able to block it?

Can you point to a single incident, based on the Snowden outage, where the Russians or Chinese were able to use that information to their advantage against us?

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So giving top secret intelligence information to the media is okay?

Just because we, the general public, may not know the consequences of giving out such information, that doesn't mean that there hasn't been real consequences of him doing so. At the very least, it's not at all difficult to think that it probably caused a lot of headaches for our intelligence agencies.

If the Germans had known about the successes in breaking their codes at Bletchley Park, they could have adapted. Those successes in breaking the codes easily shortened the war in Europe by at least a year or two, maybe more.

Did you know that in December of 1941, a Senator from Montana leaked the US top secret plans to conduct an air war in Europe to the Chicago Tribune which published them shortly before Pearl Harbor? That very act could have cost us dearly in the war because the Germans had full knowledge of our air war plans. As it is, we will never know how many American lives were lost because of that leak. Should we perhaps have a Burton Wheeler Day each year to celebrate his treason?

Nice strawman. He made a specific accusation that is false. Many people believe it because it's repeated by the Marxists on the left. I corrected the accusation.

I'm glad Snowden outed the tyrants in the Federal government. I've seen no evidence of the negative fallout that you assume is true. Even if so, sometimes the benefits out weigh the costs. This is KGB type stuff that should never occur in this country.

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He gave the Russians and the Chinese everything. Everything. All NSA programs, allowing our enemies to patch up their vulnerabilities and blind us. The Russians seized on domestic metadata collection to turn what was an espionage win into an information warfare win. The NSA and the DNI (Clapper) lied about the fact of, and extent of, domestic metadata collection. It was an atrocious violation of civil liberties, but that is less than 1% of what Snowden provided to our enemies.

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Your first statement is false. He never gave the Russians and Chinese anything. He gave the info to certain media, eg Post, Guardian, etc.

If we were that blinded by what Snowden did, how did we essentially know everything that the Russians were doing pre Ukraine? The intelligence that we shared with the Chinese that they then shared wuth Russia? Why were the Russians not able to block it?

Can you point to a single incident, based on the Snowden outage, where the Russians or Chinese were able to use that information to their advantage against us?

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Pardon me but I doubt you actually know what you are talking about. He gave them terrabytes worth of classified data on pretty much everything we had going on....

Do you believe it is a coincidence he ended up in Moscow? Do you think the Russians were cool with letting him hang out because they respect his principled stance as a civil libertarian?

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Jayhawk said:

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He gave the Russians and the Chinese everything. Everything. All NSA programs, allowing our enemies to patch up their vulnerabilities and blind us. The Russians seized on domestic metadata collection to turn what was an espionage win into an information warfare win. The NSA and the DNI (Clapper) lied about the fact of, and extent of, domestic metadata collection. It was an atrocious violation of civil liberties, but that is less than 1% of what Snowden provided to our enemies.

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Your first statement is false. He never gave the Russians and Chinese anything. He gave the info to certain media, eg Post, Guardian, etc.

If we were that blinded by what Snowden did, how did we essentially know everything that the Russians were doing pre Ukraine? The intelligence that we shared with the Chinese that they then shared wuth Russia? Why were the Russians not able to block it?

Can you point to a single incident, based on the Snowden outage, where the Russians or Chinese were able to use that information to their advantage against us?

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Pardon me but I doubt you actually know what you are talking about. He gave them terrabytes worth of classified data on pretty much everything we had going on....

Do you believe it is a coincidence he ended up in Moscow? Do you think the Russians were cool with letting him hang out because they respect his principled stance as a civil libertarian?

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I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Read my post about Russia. You are woefully ignorant on this matter.

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Jayhawk said:

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He gave the Russians and the Chinese everything. Everything. All NSA programs, allowing our enemies to patch up their vulnerabilities and blind us. The Russians seized on domestic metadata collection to turn what was an espionage win into an information warfare win. The NSA and the DNI (Clapper) lied about the fact of, and extent of, domestic metadata collection. It was an atrocious violation of civil liberties, but that is less than 1% of what Snowden provided to our enemies.

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Your first statement is false. He never gave the Russians and Chinese anything. He gave the info to certain media, eg Post, Guardian, etc.

If we were that blinded by what Snowden did, how did we essentially know everything that the Russians were doing pre Ukraine? The intelligence that we shared with the Chinese that they then shared wuth Russia? Why were the Russians not able to block it?

Can you point to a single incident, based on the Snowden outage, where the Russians or Chinese were able to use that information to their advantage against us?

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Pardon me but I doubt you actually know what you are talking about. He gave them terrabytes worth of classified data on pretty much everything we had going on....

Do you believe it is a coincidence he ended up in Moscow? Do you think the Russians were cool with letting him hang out because they respect his principled stance as a civil libertarian?

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I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Read my post about Russia. You are woefully ignorant on this matter.

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You can keep posting that but it is not true. Even cursory research will reveal that the Russians and Chinese came into possession of the whole trove. It also begs the question why did he bring terabytes worth of classified - which included information on essentially all NSA operations worldwide - if his main objective was exposing illegal domestic metadata collection?

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Jayhawk said:

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He gave the Russians and the Chinese everything. Everything. All NSA programs, allowing our enemies to patch up their vulnerabilities and blind us. The Russians seized on domestic metadata collection to turn what was an espionage win into an information warfare win. The NSA and the DNI (Clapper) lied about the fact of, and extent of, domestic metadata collection. It was an atrocious violation of civil liberties, but that is less than 1% of what Snowden provided to our enemies.

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Your first statement is false. He never gave the Russians and Chinese anything. He gave the info to certain media, eg Post, Guardian, etc.

If we were that blinded by what Snowden did, how did we essentially know everything that the Russians were doing pre Ukraine? The intelligence that we shared with the Chinese that they then shared wuth Russia? Why were the Russians not able to block it?

Can you point to a single incident, based on the Snowden outage, where the Russians or Chinese were able to use that information to their advantage against us?

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Pardon me but I doubt you actually know what you are talking about. He gave them terrabytes worth of classified data on pretty much everything we had going on....

Do you believe it is a coincidence he ended up in Moscow? Do you think the Russians were cool with letting him hang out because they respect his principled stance as a civil libertarian?

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I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Read my post about Russia. You are woefully ignorant on this matter.

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You can keep posting that but it is not true. Even cursory research will reveal that the Russians and Chinese came into possession of the whole trove. It also begs the question why did he bring terabytes worth of classified - which included information on essentially all NSA operations worldwide - if his main objective was exposing illegal domestic metadata collection?

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Please provide evidence that Snowden gave them the info. You can't because there isn't any. He gave the info to members of the media.

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Jayhawk said:

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He gave the Russians and the Chinese everything. Everything. All NSA programs, allowing our enemies to patch up their vulnerabilities and blind us. The Russians seized on domestic metadata collection to turn what was an espionage win into an information warfare win. The NSA and the DNI (Clapper) lied about the fact of, and extent of, domestic metadata collection. It was an atrocious violation of civil liberties, but that is less than 1% of what Snowden provided to our enemies.

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Your first statement is false. He never gave the Russians and Chinese anything. He gave the info to certain media, eg Post, Guardian, etc.

If we were that blinded by what Snowden did, how did we essentially know everything that the Russians were doing pre Ukraine? The intelligence that we shared with the Chinese that they then shared wuth Russia? Why were the Russians not able to block it?

Can you point to a single incident, based on the Snowden outage, where the Russians or Chinese were able to use that information to their advantage against us?

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Pardon me but I doubt you actually know what you are talking about. He gave them terrabytes worth of classified data on pretty much everything we had going on....

Do you believe it is a coincidence he ended up in Moscow? Do you think the Russians were cool with letting him hang out because they respect his principled stance as a civil libertarian?

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I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Read my post about Russia. You are woefully ignorant on this matter.

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You can keep posting that but it is not true. Even cursory research will reveal that the Russians and Chinese came into possession of the whole trove. It also begs the question why did he bring terabytes worth of classified - which included information on essentially all NSA operations worldwide - if his main objective was exposing illegal domestic metadata collection?

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Please provide evidence that Snowden gave them the info. You can't because there isn't any. He gave the info to members of the media.

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https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3245797-HPSCI-Snowden-Review-Declassified.html

the official HPSCI report, recommend starting at the last paragraph towards the bottom of page 2.

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Jayhawk said:

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He gave the Russians and the Chinese everything. Everything. All NSA programs, allowing our enemies to patch up their vulnerabilities and blind us. The Russians seized on domestic metadata collection to turn what was an espionage win into an information warfare win. The NSA and the DNI (Clapper) lied about the fact of, and extent of, domestic metadata collection. It was an atrocious violation of civil liberties, but that is less than 1% of what Snowden provided to our enemies.

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Your first statement is false. He never gave the Russians and Chinese anything. He gave the info to certain media, eg Post, Guardian, etc.

If we were that blinded by what Snowden did, how did we essentially know everything that the Russians were doing pre Ukraine? The intelligence that we shared with the Chinese that they then shared wuth Russia? Why were the Russians not able to block it?

Can you point to a single incident, based on the Snowden outage, where the Russians or Chinese were able to use that information to their advantage against us?

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Pardon me but I doubt you actually know what you are talking about. He gave them terrabytes worth of classified data on pretty much everything we had going on....

Do you believe it is a coincidence he ended up in Moscow? Do you think the Russians were cool with letting him hang out because they respect his principled stance as a civil libertarian?

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I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Read my post about Russia. You are woefully ignorant on this matter.

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You can keep posting that but it is not true. Even cursory research will reveal that the Russians and Chinese came into possession of the whole trove. It also begs the question why did he bring terabytes worth of classified - which included information on essentially all NSA operations worldwide - if his main objective was exposing illegal domestic metadata collection?

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Please provide evidence that Snowden gave them the info. You can't because there isn't any. He gave the info to members of the media.

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https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3245797-HPSCI-Snowden-Review-Declassified.html

the official HPSCI report, recommend starting at the last paragraph towards the bottom of page 2.

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I read it. It doesn't support your claim.

Why don't YOU read it and show me where it says he gave them the info.

He did not flee to Russia. He was on his way to South America, with a connection in Russia.

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Marcus Brutus said:

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Jayhawk said:

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He gave the Russians and the Chinese everything. Everything. All NSA programs, allowing our enemies to patch up their vulnerabilities and blind us. The Russians seized on domestic metadata collection to turn what was an espionage win into an information warfare win. The NSA and the DNI (Clapper) lied about the fact of, and extent of, domestic metadata collection. It was an atrocious violation of civil liberties, but that is less than 1% of what Snowden provided to our enemies.

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Your first statement is false. He never gave the Russians and Chinese anything. He gave the info to certain media, eg Post, Guardian, etc.

If we were that blinded by what Snowden did, how did we essentially know everything that the Russians were doing pre Ukraine? The intelligence that we shared with the Chinese that they then shared wuth Russia? Why were the Russians not able to block it?

Can you point to a single incident, based on the Snowden outage, where the Russians or Chinese were able to use that information to their advantage against us?

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Pardon me but I doubt you actually know what you are talking about. He gave them terrabytes worth of classified data on pretty much everything we had going on....

Do you believe it is a coincidence he ended up in Moscow? Do you think the Russians were cool with letting him hang out because they respect his principled stance as a civil libertarian?

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I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Read my post about Russia. You are woefully ignorant on this matter.

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You can keep posting that but it is not true. Even cursory research will reveal that the Russians and Chinese came into possession of the whole trove. It also begs the question why did he bring terabytes worth of classified - which included information on essentially all NSA operations worldwide - if his main objective was exposing illegal domestic metadata collection?

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Please provide evidence that Snowden gave them the info. You can't because there isn't any. He gave the info to members of the media.

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https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3245797-HPSCI-Snowden-Review-Declassified.html

the official HPSCI report, recommend starting at the last paragraph towards the bottom of page 2.

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I read it. It doesn't support your claim.

Why don't YOU read it and show me where it says he gave them the info.

He did not flee to Russia. He was on his way to South America, with a connection in Russia.

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Quoting the paragraph from the report which I referenced above:

" First, Snowden caused tremendous damage to national security, and the vast majority of the documents he stole have nothing to do with programs impacting individual privacy interest - they instead pertain to military, defense, and intelligence programs of great interest to America's adversaries. A reiew of materials Snowden compromised makes clear that he handed over secrets that protect American troops overseas and secrets that provide vital defenses against terrorists and nationa states."

He was on his way to South America from Hong Kong .. via Moscow ?

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Marcus Brutus said:

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Jayhawk said:

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He gave the Russians and the Chinese everything. Everything. All NSA programs, allowing our enemies to patch up their vulnerabilities and blind us. The Russians seized on domestic metadata collection to turn what was an espionage win into an information warfare win. The NSA and the DNI (Clapper) lied about the fact of, and extent of, domestic metadata collection. It was an atrocious violation of civil liberties, but that is less than 1% of what Snowden provided to our enemies.

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Your first statement is false. He never gave the Russians and Chinese anything. He gave the info to certain media, eg Post, Guardian, etc.

If we were that blinded by what Snowden did, how did we essentially know everything that the Russians were doing pre Ukraine? The intelligence that we shared with the Chinese that they then shared wuth Russia? Why were the Russians not able to block it?

Can you point to a single incident, based on the Snowden outage, where the Russians or Chinese were able to use that information to their advantage against us?

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Pardon me but I doubt you actually know what you are talking about. He gave them terrabytes worth of classified data on pretty much everything we had going on....

Do you believe it is a coincidence he ended up in Moscow? Do you think the Russians were cool with letting him hang out because they respect his principled stance as a civil libertarian?

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I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Read my post about Russia. You are woefully ignorant on this matter.

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You can keep posting that but it is not true. Even cursory research will reveal that the Russians and Chinese came into possession of the whole trove. It also begs the question why did he bring terabytes worth of classified - which included information on essentially all NSA operations worldwide - if his main objective was exposing illegal domestic metadata collection?

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Please provide evidence that Snowden gave them the info. You can't because there isn't any. He gave the info to members of the media.

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https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3245797-HPSCI-Snowden-Review-Declassified.html

the official HPSCI report, recommend starting at the last paragraph towards the bottom of page 2.

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I read it. It doesn't support your claim.

Why don't YOU read it and show me where it says he gave them the info.

He did not flee to Russia. He was on his way to South America, with a connection in Russia.

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Quoting the paragraph from the report which I referenced above:

" First, Snowden caused tremendous damage to national security, and the vast majority of the documents he stole have nothing to do with programs impacting individual privacy interest - they instead pertain to military, defense, and intelligence programs of great interest to America's adversaries. A reiew of materials Snowden compromised makes clear that he handed over secrets that protect American troops overseas and secrets that provide vital defenses against terrorists and nationa states."

He was on his way to South America from Hong Kong .. via Moscow ?

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Where does it say he gave that info to Russia and China.? That is your claim.

At his point, I think you must be trolling me.

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He gave the Russians and the Chinese everything. Everything. All NSA programs, allowing our enemies to patch up their vulnerabilities and blind us. The Russians seized on domestic metadata collection to turn what was an espionage win into an information warfare win. The NSA and the DNI (Clapper) lied about the fact of, and extent of, domestic metadata collection. It was an atrocious violation of civil liberties, but that is less than 1% of what Snowden provided to our enemies.

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Your first statement is false. He never gave the Russians and Chinese anything. He gave the info to certain media, eg Post, Guardian, etc.

If we were that blinded by what Snowden did, how did we essentially know everything that the Russians were doing pre Ukraine? The intelligence that we shared with the Chinese that they then shared wuth Russia? Why were the Russians not able to block it?

Can you point to a single incident, based on the Snowden outage, where the Russians or Chinese were able to use that information to their advantage against us?

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Pardon me but I doubt you actually know what you are talking about. He gave them terrabytes worth of classified data on pretty much everything we had going on....

Do you believe it is a coincidence he ended up in Moscow? Do you think the Russians were cool with letting him hang out because they respect his principled stance as a civil libertarian?

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I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Read my post about Russia. You are woefully ignorant on this matter.

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You can keep posting that but it is not true. Even cursory research will reveal that the Russians and Chinese came into possession of the whole trove. It also begs the question why did he bring terabytes worth of classified - which included information on essentially all NSA operations worldwide - if his main objective was exposing illegal domestic metadata collection?

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Please provide evidence that Snowden gave them the info. You can't because there isn't any. He gave the info to members of the media.

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https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3245797-HPSCI-Snowden-Review-Declassified.html

the official HPSCI report, recommend starting at the last paragraph towards the bottom of page 2.

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I read it. It doesn't support your claim.

Why don't YOU read it and show me where it says he gave them the info.

He did not flee to Russia. He was on his way to South America, with a connection in Russia.

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Quoting the paragraph from the report which I referenced above:

" First, Snowden caused tremendous damage to national security, and the vast majority of the documents he stole have nothing to do with programs impacting individual privacy interest - they instead pertain to military, defense, and intelligence programs of great interest to America's adversaries. A reiew of materials Snowden compromised makes clear that he handed over secrets that protect American troops overseas and secrets that provide vital defenses against terrorists and nationa states."

He was on his way to South America from Hong Kong .. via Moscow ?

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Where does it say he gave that info to Russia and China.? That is your claim.

At his point, I think you must be trolling me.

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Who else do you think he gave them to? He fled to Moscow..Are you being serious? Are you some kind of Putin troll?

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He gave the Russians and the Chinese everything. Everything. All NSA programs, allowing our enemies to patch up their vulnerabilities and blind us. The Russians seized on domestic metadata collection to turn what was an espionage win into an information warfare win. The NSA and the DNI (Clapper) lied about the fact of, and extent of, domestic metadata collection. It was an atrocious violation of civil liberties, but that is less than 1% of what Snowden provided to our enemies.

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Your first statement is false. He never gave the Russians and Chinese anything. He gave the info to certain media, eg Post, Guardian, etc.

If we were that blinded by what Snowden did, how did we essentially know everything that the Russians were doing pre Ukraine? The intelligence that we shared with the Chinese that they then shared wuth Russia? Why were the Russians not able to block it?

Can you point to a single incident, based on the Snowden outage, where the Russians or Chinese were able to use that information to their advantage against us?

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Pardon me but I doubt you actually know what you are talking about. He gave them terrabytes worth of classified data on pretty much everything we had going on....

Do you believe it is a coincidence he ended up in Moscow? Do you think the Russians were cool with letting him hang out because they respect his principled stance as a civil libertarian?

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I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Read my post about Russia. You are woefully ignorant on this matter.

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You can keep posting that but it is not true. Even cursory research will reveal that the Russians and Chinese came into possession of the whole trove. It also begs the question why did he bring terabytes worth of classified - which included information on essentially all NSA operations worldwide - if his main objective was exposing illegal domestic metadata collection?

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Please provide evidence that Snowden gave them the info. You can't because there isn't any. He gave the info to members of the media.

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https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3245797-HPSCI-Snowden-Review-Declassified.html

the official HPSCI report, recommend starting at the last paragraph towards the bottom of page 2.

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I read it. It doesn't support your claim.

Why don't YOU read it and show me where it says he gave them the info.

He did not flee to Russia. He was on his way to South America, with a connection in Russia.

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Quoting the paragraph from the report which I referenced above:

" First, Snowden caused tremendous damage to national security, and the vast majority of the documents he stole have nothing to do with programs impacting individual privacy interest - they instead pertain to military, defense, and intelligence programs of great interest to America's adversaries. A reiew of materials Snowden compromised makes clear that he handed over secrets that protect American troops overseas and secrets that provide vital defenses against terrorists and nationa states."

He was on his way to South America from Hong Kong .. via Moscow ?

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Where does it say he gave that info to Russia and China.? That is your claim.

At his point, I think you must be trolling me.

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Who else do you think he gave them to? He fled to Moscow..Are you being serious? Are you some kind of Putin troll?

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He didn't flee to Moscow. He was a fugitive at that point. To make it to South America, he was going to Moscow, then to Havana, then to Ecuador. It's not like he could have flown to Heathrow or another US friendly country, for example. He would have been detained and extradited. He had to fly through countries that were not going arrest him! Think!

Do you know who Ben Rhodes is? This is a quote from his book: "... preventing Snowden from leaving Russia as the NSA whistleblower was desperately attempting to do so. " Obama threatened Cuba and told them not to give him safe passage and Cuba complied.

That's from the Obama admin itself.

Instead of spouting BS, why don't you try investigating and getting the facts. And stop with the ad homs too.

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He gave the Russians and the Chinese everything. Everything. All NSA programs, allowing our enemies to patch up their vulnerabilities and blind us. The Russians seized on domestic metadata collection to turn what was an espionage win into an information warfare win. The NSA and the DNI (Clapper) lied about the fact of, and extent of, domestic metadata collection. It was an atrocious violation of civil liberties, but that is less than 1% of what Snowden provided to our enemies.

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Your first statement is false. He never gave the Russians and Chinese anything. He gave the info to certain media, eg Post, Guardian, etc.

If we were that blinded by what Snowden did, how did we essentially know everything that the Russians were doing pre Ukraine? The intelligence that we shared with the Chinese that they then shared wuth Russia? Why were the Russians not able to block it?

Can you point to a single incident, based on the Snowden outage, where the Russians or Chinese were able to use that information to their advantage against us?

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Pardon me but I doubt you actually know what you are talking about. He gave them terrabytes worth of classified data on pretty much everything we had going on....

Do you believe it is a coincidence he ended up in Moscow? Do you think the Russians were cool with letting him hang out because they respect his principled stance as a civil libertarian?

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I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Read my post about Russia. You are woefully ignorant on this matter.

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You can keep posting that but it is not true. Even cursory research will reveal that the Russians and Chinese came into possession of the whole trove. It also begs the question why did he bring terabytes worth of classified - which included information on essentially all NSA operations worldwide - if his main objective was exposing illegal domestic metadata collection?

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Please provide evidence that Snowden gave them the info. You can't because there isn't any. He gave the info to members of the media.

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https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3245797-HPSCI-Snowden-Review-Declassified.html

the official HPSCI report, recommend starting at the last paragraph towards the bottom of page 2.

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I read it. It doesn't support your claim.

Why don't YOU read it and show me where it says he gave them the info.

He did not flee to Russia. He was on his way to South America, with a connection in Russia.

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Quoting the paragraph from the report which I referenced above:

" First, Snowden caused tremendous damage to national security, and the vast majority of the documents he stole have nothing to do with programs impacting individual privacy interest - they instead pertain to military, defense, and intelligence programs of great interest to America's adversaries. A reiew of materials Snowden compromised makes clear that he handed over secrets that protect American troops overseas and secrets that provide vital defenses against terrorists and nationa states."

He was on his way to South America from Hong Kong .. via Moscow ?

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Where does it say he gave that info to Russia and China.? That is your claim.

At his point, I think you must be trolling me.

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Who else do you think he gave them to? He fled to Moscow..Are you being serious? Are you some kind of Putin troll?

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He didn't flee to Moscow. He was a fugitive at that point. To make it to South America, he was going to Moscow, then to Havana, then to Ecuador. It's not like he could have flown to Heathrow or another US friendly country, for example. He would have been detained and extradited. He had to fly through countries that were not going arrest him! Think!

Do you know who Ben Rhodes is? This is a quote from his book: "... preventing Snowden from leaving Russia as the NSA whistleblower was desperately attempting to do so. " Obama threatened Cuba and told them not to give him safe passage and Cuba complied.

That's from the Obama admin itself.

Instead of spouting BS, why don't you try investigating and getting the facts. And stop with the ad homs too.

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You accuse me of making false statements and spouting BS then decry ad hominems. You ask for cites, I have posted the official HPSCI report, to include a supporting passage from within the text that summarizes the point - which is that Snowden gave away enormous amounts of classified information and the vast majority was unrelated to domestic metadata collection.

We will have to agree to disagree on the veracity of Snowden's claim that it was just a coincidence he ended up in Moscow.

Jayhawk said:

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Marcus Brutus said:

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Jayhawk said:

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Marcus Brutus said:

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Jayhawk said:

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Marcus Brutus said:

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Jayhawk said:

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He gave the Russians and the Chinese everything. Everything. All NSA programs, allowing our enemies to patch up their vulnerabilities and blind us. The Russians seized on domestic metadata collection to turn what was an espionage win into an information warfare win. The NSA and the DNI (Clapper) lied about the fact of, and extent of, domestic metadata collection. It was an atrocious violation of civil liberties, but that is less than 1% of what Snowden provided to our enemies.

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Your first statement is false. He never gave the Russians and Chinese anything. He gave the info to certain media, eg Post, Guardian, etc.

If we were that blinded by what Snowden did, how did we essentially know everything that the Russians were doing pre Ukraine? The intelligence that we shared with the Chinese that they then shared wuth Russia? Why were the Russians not able to block it?

Can you point to a single incident, based on the Snowden outage, where the Russians or Chinese were able to use that information to their advantage against us?

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Pardon me but I doubt you actually know what you are talking about. He gave them terrabytes worth of classified data on pretty much everything we had going on....

Do you believe it is a coincidence he ended up in Moscow? Do you think the Russians were cool with letting him hang out because they respect his principled stance as a civil libertarian?

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I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Read my post about Russia. You are woefully ignorant on this matter.

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You can keep posting that but it is not true. Even cursory research will reveal that the Russians and Chinese came into possession of the whole trove. It also begs the question why did he bring terabytes worth of classified - which included information on essentially all NSA operations worldwide - if his main objective was exposing illegal domestic metadata collection?

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Please provide evidence that Snowden gave them the info. You can't because there isn't any. He gave the info to members of the media.

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https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3245797-HPSCI-Snowden-Review-Declassified.html

the official HPSCI report, recommend starting at the last paragraph towards the bottom of page 2.

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Hmmm. Sounds like Snowden was a real Karen.

Sorry that a bunch got to the wrong hands. Wonder if it would have happened had the nsa not been spying on Americans. They were and then it all went to ***** Maybe they should stop.

Marcus Brutus said:

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Jayhawk said:

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Marcus Brutus said:

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Jayhawk said:

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Marcus Brutus said:

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Jayhawk said:

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Marcus Brutus said:

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Jayhawk said:

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He gave the Russians and the Chinese everything. Everything. All NSA programs, allowing our enemies to patch up their vulnerabilities and blind us. The Russians seized on domestic metadata collection to turn what was an espionage win into an information warfare win. The NSA and the DNI (Clapper) lied about the fact of, and extent of, domestic metadata collection. It was an atrocious violation of civil liberties, but that is less than 1% of what Snowden provided to our enemies.

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Your first statement is false. He never gave the Russians and Chinese anything. He gave the info to certain media, eg Post, Guardian, etc.

If we were that blinded by what Snowden did, how did we essentially know everything that the Russians were doing pre Ukraine? The intelligence that we shared with the Chinese that they then shared wuth Russia? Why were the Russians not able to block it?

Can you point to a single incident, based on the Snowden outage, where the Russians or Chinese were able to use that information to their advantage against us?

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Pardon me but I doubt you actually know what you are talking about. He gave them terrabytes worth of classified data on pretty much everything we had going on....

Do you believe it is a coincidence he ended up in Moscow? Do you think the Russians were cool with letting him hang out because they respect his principled stance as a civil libertarian?

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I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Read my post about Russia. You are woefully ignorant on this matter.

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You can keep posting that but it is not true. Even cursory research will reveal that the Russians and Chinese came into possession of the whole trove. It also begs the question why did he bring terabytes worth of classified - which included information on essentially all NSA operations worldwide - if his main objective was exposing illegal domestic metadata collection?

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Please provide evidence that Snowden gave them the info. You can't because there isn't any. He gave the info to members of the media.

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https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3245797-HPSCI-Snowden-Review-Declassified.html

the official HPSCI report, recommend starting at the last paragraph towards the bottom of page 2.

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I read it. It doesn't support your claim.

Why don't YOU read it and show me where it says he gave them the info.

He did not flee to Russia. He was on his way to South America, with a connection in Russia.

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From page 20:

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Since Snowdon's arrival in Moscow, he has had, and continues to have, contact with Russian intelligence services. ... and in June 2016, the deputy chairman of the Russian parliament's defense and security committee, asserted that "Snowdon did share intelligence" with his government.

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Pretty damning, I think.

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Sorry that a bunch got to the wrong hands. Wonder if it would have happened had the nsa not been spying on Americans. They were and then it all went to ***** Maybe they should stop.

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Anyone naive enough to think our govt doesn't spy on us is crazy. Snowdens traitorous acts didn't change that.

The idiot was some NSA bureaucrat who allowed a contractor access to sensitive information.

Jayhawk said:

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Marcus Brutus said:

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Jayhawk said:

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Marcus Brutus said:

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Jayhawk said:

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Marcus Brutus said:

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Jayhawk said:

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Marcus Brutus said:

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Jayhawk said:

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He gave the Russians and the Chinese everything. Everything. All NSA programs, allowing our enemies to patch up their vulnerabilities and blind us. The Russians seized on domestic metadata collection to turn what was an espionage win into an information warfare win. The NSA and the DNI (Clapper) lied about the fact of, and extent of, domestic metadata collection. It was an atrocious violation of civil liberties, but that is less than 1% of what Snowden provided to our enemies.

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Your first statement is false. He never gave the Russians and Chinese anything. He gave the info to certain media, eg Post, Guardian, etc.

If we were that blinded by what Snowden did, how did we essentially know everything that the Russians were doing pre Ukraine? The intelligence that we shared with the Chinese that they then shared wuth Russia? Why were the Russians not able to block it?

Can you point to a single incident, based on the Snowden outage, where the Russians or Chinese were able to use that information to their advantage against us?

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Pardon me but I doubt you actually know what you are talking about. He gave them terrabytes worth of classified data on pretty much everything we had going on....

Do you believe it is a coincidence he ended up in Moscow? Do you think the Russians were cool with letting him hang out because they respect his principled stance as a civil libertarian?

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I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Read my post about Russia. You are woefully ignorant on this matter.

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You can keep posting that but it is not true. Even cursory research will reveal that the Russians and Chinese came into possession of the whole trove. It also begs the question why did he bring terabytes worth of classified - which included information on essentially all NSA operations worldwide - if his main objective was exposing illegal domestic metadata collection?

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Please provide evidence that Snowden gave them the info. You can't because there isn't any. He gave the info to members of the media.

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https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3245797-HPSCI-Snowden-Review-Declassified.html

the official HPSCI report, recommend starting at the last paragraph towards the bottom of page 2.

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I read it. It doesn't support your claim.

Why don't YOU read it and show me where it says he gave them the info.

He did not flee to Russia. He was on his way to South America, with a connection in Russia.

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Quoting the paragraph from the report which I referenced above:

" First, Snowden caused tremendous damage to national security, and the vast majority of the documents he stole have nothing to do with programs impacting individual privacy interest - they instead pertain to military, defense, and intelligence programs of great interest to America's adversaries. A reiew of materials Snowden compromised makes clear that he handed over secrets that protect American troops overseas and secrets that provide vital defenses against terrorists and nationa states."

He was on his way to South America from Hong Kong .. via Moscow ?

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You can post all the supporting facts here…but you should know that barring a burning bush, no one on F16 changes their opinion/beliefs if it goes against the groupthink here. At Snowden supports their virtual rebellion against the government. Snowden may have alerted the public to what our government was doing, but the way he did it and what he did in addition to it was certainly treasonous.

I've lost context of when all of this happened but does the Snowden fiasco line up with the change that reversed the ban on our own intelligence agencies being able to use propaganda on US citizens?