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One of the enduring mysteries of the Trump era - 'who is Q' - appears to be solved, sort of.

Two sets of forensic linguists have published two separate papers using two different techniques to conclude that Q appears to be two people: South African tech journalist Paul Furber, 55, and 4chan internet message board moderator and computer entrepreneur Ron Watkins, 34, according to the studies.

'While relying on two completely different technologies, both stylometric [quantitative study of literary style] analyses could establish that QAnon's early period on the 4chan forum, from October to December 2017, was likely the result of a collaboration between Paul Furber and Ron Watkins,' according to Claude-Alain Roten, the CEO of OrphAnalytics.

Roten, who worked with Lionel Pousaz, a partner at OrphAnalytics, took the writings of several people identified as potential Q originators and analyzed writings they had authored then cross-referenced it using computer software with early QAnon posts.

'Open your eyes. Many in our govt worship Satan,' was the first post on October 2017 that launched the movement, according to The New York Times, which was given exclusive access to the linguistics studies.

When reached by the Times, Furber didn't dispute that Q's writing resembled his own, while Watkins, who is running for Congress in Arizona, told the NYT: 'I am not Q.'

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10531793/Forensic-linguists-say-know-origin-Q-texts-began-QAnon-movement.html

Whether or not these guys are "Q", it was nothing more than a massive troll job by the Chans, which sucked it a bunch of people who found validation for their beliefs in posts on a known troll message board. What is even sadder is how many people still live their lives based on this troll job, and even still breathlessly wait for the daily "Trust Trump's Plan" Q drop.

Sometimes it pays to be a cynical skeptic and Q always had the structure and characteristics of a troll to me. Telling people what they want to believe and feeding them bits of confirmation bias can be quite effective. I likewise don't necessarily believe it is these two guys without more solid forensic evidence

Never heard of those dudes

Yet Q predcited years ago that MSM would fall, starting with CNN......that more and more child trafficking Predators would come to light.......that the revolution would not be televised.

And here we are.

They may well be correct, but using the accepted tools of text analytics or linguistic analysis could be tricky. What if the Q Anon group is using its own software to mimic popular styles from other sources? That could mean a counterintelligence/misinformation campaign to discredit those whose beliefs align with the ideas expressed by Q.

Pattern matching to an absolute degree of certainty is always tricky, whether its bullets or word order.

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Never heard of those dudes

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Watkins is Code Monkey Z. He was a computer nerd involved in a lot of the election fraud analysis. Had no idea he was ever involved with Q since I never followed that stuff much.

Never followed Q but this is still true regardless:

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'Open your eyes. Many in our govt worship Satan,'

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I thought it had been known for a while that the South African guy was the original Q and that Watkins picked up the troll job and ran with it.

Pretty sure there was even a documentary on it.

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I thought it had been known for a while that the South African guy was the original Q and that Watkins picked up the troll job and ran with it.

Pretty sure there was even a documentary on it.

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On HBO, I think.

I couldn't give a flying ****, this seems like a lot of brainpower wasted on idiocy.

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I thought it had been known for a while that the South African guy was the original Q and that Watkins picked up the troll job and ran with it.

Pretty sure there was even a documentary on it.

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Yeah you should trust an hbo documentary ......just like trusting michael moore.

BigHitterDaLama said:

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Yet Q predcited years ago that MSM would fall, starting with CNN......that more and more child trafficking Predators would come to light.......that the revolution would not be televised.

And here we are.

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Isn't that sort of like the fortune teller scams? It could have easily been predicted that CNN was going to do poorly. That's not exactly working without a net.

And you'll never have fewer predators being caught. Once they're caught, the number goes up. It never goes down.

What if Q was Whoopi Goldberg?

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What if Q was Whoopi Goldberg?

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Well she is a troll. Or she looks like a troll. Is that the same thing?

So JFK likely won't show up? I was hoping to get a print photo autographed.

The conspiratorial proclivities of the American public aren't a new phenomenon.

Hofstader was writing about this nearly sixty years ago:

https://harpers.org/archive/1964/11/the-paranoid-style-in-american-politics/

BenFiasco14 said:

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What if Q was Whoopi Goldberg?

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Q is not an alien...

BigHitterDaLama said:

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Yet Q predcited years ago that MSM would fall, starting with CNN......that more and more child trafficking Predators would come to light.......that the revolution would not be televised.

And here we are.

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Not arguing...but tell us more. TIA.

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BenFiasco14 said:

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What if Q was Whoopi Goldberg?

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Well she is a troll. Or she looks like a troll. Is that the same thing?

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Scares the h3ll outta me!

BigHitterDaLama said:

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Yet Q predcited years ago that MSM would fall, starting with CNN......that more and more child trafficking Predators would come to light.......that the revolution would not be televised.

And here we are.

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You needed a mysterious insider to tell you that?

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So JFK likely won't show up? I was hoping to get a print photo autographed.

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For the record, it's my understanding outlandish claims such as this didn't originate with Q but we're introduced by people following Q.

K2-HMFIC said:

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The conspiratorial proclivities of the American public aren't a new phenomenon.

Hofstader was writing about this nearly sixty years ago:

https://harpers.org/archive/1964/11/the-paranoid-style-in-american-politics/

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Great essay. Hofstader was ahead of his time

I just want to know how those trolls got, what appeared to be, photos from inside the Trump white house

There was both ridiculously outlandish garbage and very convincing "real" stuff

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BigHitterDaLama said:

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Yet Q predcited years ago that MSM would fall, starting with CNN......that more and more child trafficking Predators would come to light.......that the revolution would not be televised.

And here we are.

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Isn't that sort of like the fortune teller scams? It could have easily been predicted that CNN was going to do poorly. That's not exactly working without a net.

And you'll never have fewer predators being caught. Once they're caught, the number goes up. It never goes down.

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If you're going to waste money on a fortune teller it could at least be a topless one with three nipples

Q is the conservative version of Bigfoot.

Doesn't explain any of the pictures of being in the room and on the plane with trump inner circle

You can say what you want about the Q movement. The instance that made me think that Q had some legs was linking some random picture in Singapore and then a month later, Kim was walking and taking his midnight stroll through the same area.

Like the news, I think that there was BS being spewed through the Q channel and some idiots got a lot of "credit" that didn't deserve it. Some of the stuff that is happening now in the news, the Sussmen and Joffe (sp?) was identified back in 2017/2018 on the Q thread.

If anything, Q made a lot more people skeptical of the news/government and the message that the govenernment pushed through the media.

Or getting Trump to say Tippy Top or insight into the Xbox chats by the contractors spying on Trump or photos from London of Page and Strozk, etc. etc.

Basic premise being, it seemed that there was signal buried inside noise for a number of reasons. Deniability being one and not broadcasting exacts because we've all come to learn that everything we communicate is monitored.

One truism from "Q" which happens to be the letter between (P)aul Furber and (R)on Watkins... do your own research and learn to critically think.

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You can say what you want about the Q movement. The instance that made me think that Q had some legs was linking some random picture in Singapore and then a month later, Kim was walking and taking his midnight stroll through the same area.

Like the news, I think that there was BS being spewed through the Q channel and some idiots got a lot of "credit" that didn't deserve it. Some of the stuff that is happening now in the news, the Sussmen and Joffe (sp?) was identified back in 2017/2018 on the Q thread.

If anything, Q made a lot more people skeptical of the news/government and the message that the govenernment pushed through the media.

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And that's a net good.

Ron Watkins aka Code Monkey Z

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Ron Watkins aka Code Monkey Z

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That dude showed zero personality in the HBO documentary (Q Into the Storm). Sounds like that hasn't changed.

And at the end of the documentary, he was living in Japan (if I recall correctly). Now he's in Arizona running for congress. Sounds like an opportunist to me...

BigHitterDaLama said:

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Yet Q predcited years ago that MSM would fall, starting with CNN......that more and more child trafficking Predators would come to light.......that the revolution would not be televised.

And here we are.

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I truly hope you don't actually believe this.

I followed the Q thread but never really looked anywhere else for Q information. When people asked on that thread if we believed it my response was basically that everyone should make up their own minds but that it wasn't required to follow the thread or try to solve the riddles.

It was always propaganda but I generally posted 3 theories (in order of increasing complexity and decreasing probability for those adherents to Occam's Razor):

1.) Q was a brilliant troll. Basically MF Barnes on steroids.

2.) Q was the first successful guerrilla marketing campaign for a political candidate.

In this case a Bannon-esque inspired campaign for Trump.

3.) Q was a nefarious attempt by 3 letter agencies to lull 'patriots' into inaction by making them believe that everything was under control while the Great Reset was being planned and executed.

I'm not sure the Great Reset was in the lexicon of that thread at the time but I use it now as a catch phrase for greater societal changes.

I miss the Q thread. Much of it was John Nash type gibberish like the Q clock put together by autists. Other parts were campy political spy fiction (thousands and thousands of sealed indictments for political elite and Kennedy Jr's fake death). But there were some bits that were truly illuminating like some of the pedophilia news references and John Durham investigations.

I don't know how people seriously followed Q. It was nonsense from the beginning.

Nothing can stop what is coming.
Apparently, its going to hit the fan shortly after the 2024 election. Just hope and pray the cabal goes down.
For good.
May get much worse before it gets better. Whatever it takes.

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Or getting Trump to say Tippy Top

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I'll be honest, I was always a skeptic, and took heat on that thread for some questions and criticisms, but this event had me second guessing for sure. They drop "Tippy Top" in a message and then just a few days later Trump randomly says that exact same thing on the White House lawn before an Easter egg hunt. I don't care what anyone says, after that event, and the Singapore Kim Jong Un stuff, I can see how people might have bought in. That got me half believing for a bit.

To me it seemed like some type of White House mole/insider was feeding them some stuff at times.