BRO, DO YOU EVEN KNOW STATISTICS?!?!? THE VACCINES WORK, BRO. SHUT UP AND TAKE THE JAB AND GET UP TO DATE BRO. DON'T YOU WANT TO END THIS PANDEMIC?

/F84

They are so totally safe and effective.

2 is better than 1 and 3 is better than two.

As soon as they let me and my kids get our 4th we are heading right over to get it!

I wonder what articles will be written when we fast forward another 2-5 years. Pretty glad I didn't take the jab.

I see the problem. Your referenced statistics didn't go thru a double-blind study

Isn't this exactly what some researchers involved with the attempt at the SARS mRNA vax during animal trials were ringing the alarm about? That, in the animal research, initial vaccination provided protection, but the problem was some mechanism of the body's antibody response was degraded and actually made subsequent infections worse. In other words, the animals own immune system eventually lost the ability to make new antibodies upon reinfections.

I remember seeing a video from one doctor talking about this phenomena early on, but, like so many other dissenting opinions, it was scrubbed from YouTube.

People will meticulously research what minivan to buy for 2-years.

Same people will immediately inject whatever into their body.

Whetever just gimme the latest version of the juice and boost.

Could there be a function of the vaccinated having had 'protection' during waves of alpha & delta, so now they're finally getting hit with omicron - while the rest of us whose bodies weren't hidden from prior strains have already built up natural immunity which set us up to easily shake or avoid omicron?

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Isn't this exactly what some researchers involved with the attempt at the SARS mRNA vax during animal trials were ringing the alarm about? That, in the animal research, initial vaccination provided protection, but the problem was some mechanism of the body's antibody response was degraded and actually made subsequent infections worse. In other words, the animals own immune system eventually lost the ability to make new antibodies upon reinfections.

I remember seeing a video from one doctor talking about this phenomena early on, but, like so many other dissenting opinions, it was scrubbed from YouTube.

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my suspicion is that one of 2 mechanisms that we know CAN occur when the body is exposed to an antigen is occurring here or perhaps a combination of both-

1) because the body's own cells make the antigen, the spike proteins manufactured by the body contain a residual marker such as coating from the body's cell remains behind and over time the body's immune system identifies the spike proteins as part of the body in much the same way a person's body learns to tolerate a transplant after the initial rejection period.
2) the spike protein forms precipitates and complexes with the antibodies which the body then either hyper responds to as in some cases of patients developing autoimmune reactions afterwards or over time the body learns to tolerate these complexes which reduces the body's response time the next time the spike protein is introduced from exposure to the virus.

Both of these kinds of reactions to antigens is readily known and fairly well researched.

Get Off My Lawn said:

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Could there be a function of the vaccinated having had 'protection' during waves of alpha & delta, so now they're finally getting hit with omicron - while the rest of us whose bodies weren't hidden from prior strains have already built up natural immunity which set us up to easily shake or avoid omicron?

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Certainly but I doubt we will ever see any data on that.

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Isn't this exactly what some researchers involved with the attempt at the SARS mRNA vax during animal trials were ringing the alarm about? That, in the animal research, initial vaccination provided protection, but the problem was some mechanism of the body's antibody response was degraded and actually made subsequent infections worse. In other words, the animals own immune system eventually lost the ability to make new antibodies upon reinfections.

I remember seeing a video from one doctor talking about this phenomena early on, but, like so many other dissenting opinions, it was scrubbed from YouTube.

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my suspicion is that one of 2 mechanisms that we know CAN occur when the body is exposed to an antigen is occurring here or perhaps a combination of both-

1) because the body's own cells make the antigen, the spike proteins manufactured by the body contain a residual marker such as coating from the body's cell remains behind and over time the body's immune system identifies the spike proteins as part of the body in much the same way a person's body learns to tolerate a transplant after the initial rejection period.
2) the spike protein forms precipitates and complexes with the antibodies which the body then either hyper responds to as in some cases of patients developing autoimmune reactions afterwards or over time the body learns to tolerate these complexes which reduces the body's response time the next time the spike protein is introduced from exposure to the virus.

Both of these kinds of reactions to antigens is readily known and fairly well researched.

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Thanks for that very thorough explanation! While I am very much not anti-vaxx (just this one because it was so rushed) and think they have been a gift to avoid many formerly common diseases, I do worry that the huge spike in auto-immune disease in the past few decades may be an unintended consequence of overstimulating our immune systems with them.

Waiting to see if a Scrubs episode confirmed the data.

Yeah, for whatever reason, we continually contradict our bodies natural defenses. The biggest example of this is treating fevers. Never understood it. Sure, if you've got to power through a workday or something, but that's not what the vast majority do. Any sign of fever, even if they're just gonna lounge in bed all day, they immediately reach for a fever reducer. Why? You don't want your body to fight off whatever it is battling? Why handcuff the body's defense system.

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Could there be a function of the vaccinated having had 'protection' during waves of alpha & delta, so now they're finally getting hit with omicron - while the rest of us whose bodies weren't hidden from prior strains have already built up natural immunity which set us up to easily shake or avoid omicron?

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That's exactly what is going on. Essentially the data is saying

Natural infection + vaccine >> natural infection >>> vaccine with no infection >>> no vaccine, no infection

This makes sense.

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Waiting to see if a Scrubs episode confirmed the data.

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Nice add from the other post!

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I see the problem. Your referenced statistics didn't go thru a double-blind study

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Double secret blind probation study

Get Off My Lawn said:

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Could there be a function of the vaccinated having had 'protection' during waves of alpha & delta, so now they're finally getting hit with omicron - while the rest of us whose bodies weren't hidden from prior strains have already built up natural immunity which set us up to easily shake or avoid omicron?

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Everyone is getting Omicron. IMHO, those who have previous natural immunity are barely getting sick. 2 worse is vaxed, vaxed and boosted are getting it worse. Good news, after omicron natural immunity will be widespread. Until the vaccines screw up the herd immunity.

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Could there be a function of the vaccinated having had 'protection' during waves of alpha & delta, so now they're finally getting hit with omicron - while the rest of us whose bodies weren't hidden from prior strains have already built up natural immunity which set us up to easily shake or avoid omicron?

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That's exactly what is going on. Essentially the data is saying

Natural infection + vaccine >> natural infection >>> vaccine with no infection >>> no vaccine, no infection

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From the article

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Thus, it's not just the fact that the unvaccinated accounted for only 11.5% of cases the past two weeks, but even adjusted for age-stratified vaccination rates (PHS already does the math for you) the unvaccinated had the lowest infection rate out of the four cohorts especially during the peak of Omicron. Furthermore, we see that even the triple-vaccinated clearly have no efficacy against infection, although they have some degree less negative efficacy than the double-vaccinated.

Here is a linear presentation of the depth of the Omicron wave by vaccination status, where you can see that the unvaccinated had the shallowest wave:

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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.20.21255677v2

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SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccine elicits a potent adaptive immune response in the absence of IFN-mediated inflammation observed in COVID-19

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Both SARS-CoV-2 infection and vaccination elicit potent immune responses, but the durability and scope of immune responses remain to be elucidated. Here, we performed multimodal single- cell profiling of peripheral blood of patients with acute COVID-19 and healthy volunteers before and after receiving the SARS-CoV-2 BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine to compare the immune responses elicited by the virus and by the vaccine. Phenotypic and transcriptional profiling of immune cells, coupled with reconstruction of B and T cell receptor repertoires, enabled us to characterize and compare the host responses to the virus and to defined viral antigens. In COVID-19 patients, immune responses were characterized by a highly augmented interferon response which was largely absent in vaccine recipients. Increased interferon signaling likely contributed to the dramatic upregulation of cytotoxic genes in the peripheral T cells and innate- like lymphocytes observed in COVID-19 patients. Analysis of B and T cell repertoires revealed that while the majority of clonal lymphocytes in COVID-19 patients were effector cells, in vaccine recipients clonal expansion was primarily restricted to circulating memory cells. Taken together, our analysis of immune responses to the mRNA vaccine reveals that despite the lack of dramatic inflammation observed during infection, the vaccine elicits a robust adaptive immune response.

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https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Anthony-Kyriakopoulos/publication/357994624_Innate_Immune_Suppression_by_SARS-CoV-2_mRNA_Vaccinations_The_role_of_G-quadruplexes_exosomes_and_microRNAs/links/61eaa394c5e3103375ae4c25/Innate-Immune-Suppression-by-SARS-CoV-2-mRNA-Vaccinations-The-role-of-G-quadruplexes-exosomes-and-microRNAs.pdf

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Innate Immune Suppression by SARS-CoV-2 mRNA Vaccinations: The role of G-quadruplexes, exosomes and microRNAs

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The mRNA SARS-CoV-2 vaccines were brought to market in response to the widely perceived public health crises of Covid-19. The utilization of mRNA vaccines in the context of infectious disease had no precedent, but desperate times seemed to call for desperate measures. The mRNA vaccines utilize genetically modified mRNA encoding spike proteins. These alterations hide the mRNA from cellular defenses, promote a longer biological half-life for the proteins, and provoke higher overall spike protein production. However, both experimental and observational evidence reveals a very different immune response to the vaccines compared to the response to infection with SARS-CoV-2. As we will show, the genetic modifications introduced by the vaccine are likely the source of these differential responses. In this paper, we present the evidence that vaccination, unlike natural infection, induces a profound impairment in type I interferon signaling, which has diverse adverse consequences to human health. We explain the mechanism by which immune cells release into the circulation large quantities of exosomes containing spike protein along with critical microRNAs that induce a signaling response in recipient cells at distant sites. We also identify potential profound disturbances in regulatory control of protein synthesis and cancer surveillance. These disturbances are shown to have a potentially direct causal link to neurodegenerative disease, myocarditis, immune thrombocytopenia, Bell's palsy, liver disease, impaired adaptive immunity, increased tumorigenesis, and DNA damage. We show evidence from adverse event reports in the VAERS database supporting our hypothesis. We believe a comprehensive risk/benefit assessment of the mRNA vaccines excludes them as positive contributors to public health, even in the context of the Covid-19 pandemic.

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8656165/

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Rapid Progression of Angioimmunoblastic T Cell Lymphoma Following BNT162b2 mRNA Vaccine Booster Shot: A Case Report

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8538446/

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SARSCoV2 Spike Impairs DNA Damage Repair and Inhibits V(D)J Recombination In Vitro

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https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-27872-7

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BRCA1 deficiency specific base substitution mutagenesis is dependent on translesion synthesis and regulated by 53BP1

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Thank you for the links.
Only read the discussion sections and there are some disturbing findings.

• Vaccines could be screwing up immune responses
• Vaccines impairing DNA repair
• Vaccines screwing with the lymph system
• Could be increasing chances for development of cancer

While most were in vitro studies there is a lot of unknowns that need to be investigated. Injecting RNA into your body with these unknowns could have long term consequences.

Wish Novavax had been approved before I had to get the J&J for travel. Better yet some company develops a vaccine that is the complete protein shell of the virus.

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Thus, it's not just the fact that the unvaccinated accounted for only 11.5% of cases the past two weeks, but even adjusted for age-stratified vaccination rates (PHS already does the math for you) the unvaccinated had the lowest infection rate out of the four cohorts especially during the peak of Omicron. Furthermore, we see that even the triple-vaccinated clearly have no efficacy against infection, although they have some degree less negative efficacy than the double-vaccinated.

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Yet, they keep repeating the line that this is a now a pandemic of the Unvaccinated or the Un-Boosted. Phizer and Moderna have both admitted that their Vaxes really do not work against Omicron and have begun working on a new version that will. Yet they are still pushing people to take the ineffective boosters that are presently available.

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potentially direct causal link to neurodegenerative disease, myocarditis, immune thrombocytopenia, Bell's palsy, liver disease, impaired adaptive immunity, increased tumorigenesis, and DNA damage

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Lots of possible side effects yet they refuse to even look into any of this or even acknowledge they are a possibility. Some posters on this board just keep parroting that the Vaxes are Safe & Free.

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Rapid Progression of Angioimmunoblastic T Cell Lymphoma Following BNT162b2 mRNA Vaccine Booster Shot

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Simple questions: Was the Lymphoma already there ? Did the booster kick it into Overdrive ? ?

This insane push for vaccines along with all these negative possible side effects from the vaccines makes me very suspicious that they know this vaccine is dangerous and that either they do not care or they want to make as many people sick or to die as possible.

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BRO, DO YOU EVEN KNOW STATISTICS?!?!? THE VACCINES WORK, BRO. SHUT UP AND TAKE THE JAB AND GET UP TO DATE BRO. DON'T YOU WANT TO END THIS PANDEMIC?

/F84

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If I were all those vaxxed on F84 I would be getting nervous, these vaccines are not good and they are slowly killing there immune systems …. Slow death as you keep reducing your ability to fight off all kinds of stuff

The information and data above are what many Drs have been warning society about, that leaky vaccines will cause more problems for the people taking them…. But carry on because FJB and Evil Fauci say to take them..

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Waiting to see if a Scrubs episode confirmed the data.

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greatness....well done.

A couple of things stuck out to me about the article. The first is that there should be a partially vaxxed category. It's not smart to call people unvaxxed until 2 weeks after the second dose, it just makes the data look worse for the unvaxxed than it really is. Also, this is a good way to advocate for boosters by making the VE for a booster look great compared to the first 2 boosters because everyone knows that people are absolutely most vulnerable in the 2 weeks after their 2nd dose.

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Could there be a function of the vaccinated having had 'protection' during waves of alpha & delta, so now they're finally getting hit with omicron - while the rest of us whose bodies weren't hidden from prior strains have already built up natural immunity which set us up to easily shake or avoid omicron?

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That's exactly what is going on. Essentially the data is saying

Natural infection + vaccine >> natural infection >>> vaccine with no infection >>> no vaccine, no infection

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From the article

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Thus, it's not just the fact that the unvaccinated accounted for only 11.5% of cases the past two weeks, but even adjusted for age-stratified vaccination rates (PHS already does the math for you) the unvaccinated had the lowest infection rate out of the four cohorts especially during the peak of Omicron. Furthermore, we see that even the triple-vaccinated clearly have no efficacy against infection, although they have some degree less negative efficacy than the double-vaccinated.

Here is a linear presentation of the depth of the Omicron wave by vaccination status, where you can see that the unvaccinated had the shallowest wave:

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Thanks? This article doesn't have subgroups that include previously infected vs not which was my point.

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Waiting to see if a Scrubs episode confirmed the data.

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Waiting for a MASH episode that overrides such millennial references

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BRO, DO YOU EVEN KNOW STATISTICS?!?!? THE VACCINES WORK, BRO. SHUT UP AND TAKE THE JAB AND GET UP TO DATE BRO. DON'T YOU WANT TO END THIS PANDEMIC?

/F84

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If I were all those vaxxed on F84 I would be getting nervous, these vaccines are not good and they are slowly killing there immune systems …. Slow death as you keep reducing your ability to fight off all kinds of stuff

The information and data above are what many Drs have been warning society about, that leaky vaccines will cause more problems for the people taking them…. But carry on because FJB and Evil Fauci say to take them..

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So when will the Anti-Vaccine vaccination be available and required in a mandate.

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Isn't this exactly what some researchers involved with the attempt at the SARS mRNA vax during animal trials were ringing the alarm about? That, in the animal research, initial vaccination provided protection, but the problem was some mechanism of the body's antibody response was degraded and actually made subsequent infections worse. In other words, the animals own immune system eventually lost the ability to make new antibodies upon reinfections.

I remember seeing a video from one doctor talking about this phenomena early on, but, like so many other dissenting opinions, it was scrubbed from YouTube.

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"The vaccine was never sold that it would prevent infection, or illness, or stop the spread…or hospitalization…just take it and let you kids be part of the experiment" Salute The Marines

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So when will the Anti-Vaccine vaccination be available and required in a mandate.

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When Desantis becomes POTUS in 2025.