Fentanyl is the real plague

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10:54p, 12/20/21
Saw this on Outkick earlier today.



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Almost 80,000 people who are not even 46 years old have died from one cause in the past two years. That's a crisis. So why aren't more outlets saying this?

Because, unlike COVID, covering fentanyl isn't advantageous. There's no political gain in warning Americans that fentanyl is a more significant threat to young Americans than the omicron say it in a spooky voice variant. And that's awful and discouraging.


Comparatively, 53,000 people in the age group have died from COVID between Jan. 1, 2020, and Dec. 15, 2021. Fentanyl overdoses are also more deadly than suicide and car accidents for young adults.



https://www.outkick.com/fentanyl-covid-death/
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10:59p, 12/20/21
Most illegal fentanyl in the US is now made in------ wait for it---- Mexico.

I can't prove that drug cartels give money to politicians. If I could, I'd have grounds to make a citizens arrest, hope they resisted, and then meet them with violent force. Just need that proof.
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10:59p, 12/20/21
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Heard on the radio about this a few days ago. Source of most of the fentynal?

Wuhan, China.

We are at war with China, and Dementia Joe thinks that White Supremacy is our biggest problem.
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11:01p, 12/20/21
Probably another 25,000 minimum counted as coronavirus deaths in 2020 and another 25K in 2021.
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In reply to Clob94 • 11:02p, 12/20/21
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Huh, we have conflicting opinions...or maybe not. Could be the precursor chemicals are from China, the finished product, Mexico

https://www.npr.org/2020/11/17/916890880/we-are-shipping-to-the-u-s-china-s-fentanyl-sellers-find-new-routes-to-drug-user


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11:09p, 12/20/21
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I can't prove that drug cartels give money to politicians.
I have been saying this since Biden threw open the border. The DNC and the Cartels have made a deal to open the Borders in Exchange for a share of the profits the Cartels are making off of the drugs, child slavery/prostitution and human smuggling businesses. It is pretty obvious if you just assume that many politicians are scum and then you ask yourself why scummy people would throw open a border to the cartels.
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In reply to [removed post] • 11:28p, 12/20/21
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C@LAg said:
ban fentanyl.

everywhere.
Agreed. A good friend of mine died because of this poison.

He got hooked on it in 03/04 when his doctors were telling him it was no more addictive than Advil

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In reply to CanyonAg77 • 11:31p, 12/20/21
CanyonAg77 said:
Huh, we have conflicting opinions...or maybe not. Could be the precursor chemicals are from China, the finished product, Mexico

https://www.npr.org/2020/11/17/916890880/we-are-shipping-to-the-u-s-china-s-fentanyl-sellers-find-new-routes-to-drug-user




Everything I've seen is the precursors and some finished products come from China. Mexico is a major center for finished products. Cheaper to cross the border with because it is more compact.
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In reply to fightingfarmer09 • 11:32p, 12/20/21
fightingfarmer09 said:
Saw this on Outkick earlier today.



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Almost 80,000 people who are not even 46 years old have died from one cause in the past two years. That's a crisis. So why aren't more outlets saying this?

Because, unlike COVID, covering fentanyl isn't advantageous. There's no political gain in warning Americans that fentanyl is a more significant threat to young Americans than the omicron say it in a spooky voice variant. And that's awful and discouraging.


Comparatively, 53,000 people in the age group have died from COVID between Jan. 1, 2020, and Dec. 15, 2021. Fentanyl overdoses are also more deadly than suicide and car accidents for young adults.



https://www.outkick.com/fentanyl-covid-death/
That crap is deadly with a capitol D. I was in the ER a couple of years ago with kidney stones and the doc ordered a dose of fentanyl. It got rid of the pain but made me feel as bad as I have in my lifetime. Just terrible. I don't even know why they dose that out in hospitals.
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In reply to [removed post] • 11:32p, 12/20/21
C@LAg said:
ban fentanyl.

everywhere.
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In reply to CanyonAg77 • 11:35p, 12/20/21
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CanyonAg77 said:
Huh, we have conflicting opinions...or maybe not. Could be the precursor chemicals are from China, the finished product, Mexico

https://www.npr.org/2020/11/17/916890880/we-are-shipping-to-the-u-s-china-s-fentanyl-sellers-find-new-routes-to-drug-user






1:34:20 is the time stamp for discussing fentanyl labs in Mexico. The interviewee specifically mentions in this discussion that the precursor comes from China and that there are Chinese trainers who do a deadly version of "train the trainer" just south of the "border".
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In reply to fightingfarmer09 • 11:36p, 12/20/21
fightingfarmer09 said:
Saw this on Outkick earlier today.



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Almost 80,000 people who are not even 46 years old have died from one cause in the past two years. That's a crisis. So why aren't more outlets saying this?

Because, unlike COVID, covering fentanyl isn't advantageous. There's no political gain in warning Americans that fentanyl is a more significant threat to young Americans than the omicron say it in a spooky voice variant. And that's awful and discouraging.


Comparatively, 53,000 people in the age group have died from COVID between Jan. 1, 2020, and Dec. 15, 2021. Fentanyl overdoses are also more deadly than suicide and car accidents for young adults.



https://www.outkick.com/fentanyl-covid-death/
Yet they'll cover the bad news about opioids night and day. Believe it or not, there are some people who actually need painkillers for legitimate means.
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In reply to medwriter • 12:02a, 12/21/21
medwriter said:
fightingfarmer09 said:
Saw this on Outkick earlier today.



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Almost 80,000 people who are not even 46 years old have died from one cause in the past two years. That's a crisis. So why aren't more outlets saying this?

Because, unlike COVID, covering fentanyl isn't advantageous. There's no political gain in warning Americans that fentanyl is a more significant threat to young Americans than the omicron say it in a spooky voice variant. And that's awful and discouraging.


Comparatively, 53,000 people in the age group have died from COVID between Jan. 1, 2020, and Dec. 15, 2021. Fentanyl overdoses are also more deadly than suicide and car accidents for young adults.



https://www.outkick.com/fentanyl-covid-death/
Yet they'll cover the bad news about opioids night and day. Believe it or not, there are some people who actually need painkillers for legitimate means.


This.
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12:45a, 12/21/21
Are these crackheads or future crackheads that are dying?
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1:15a, 12/21/21
I think we're going sympathetic here to the users and going after China for providing ingredients to a third party country that imports the drug to the U.S.
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3:40a, 12/21/21
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I'VE GOT IT! - Re-brand the border wall - call it the border MASK. The Dems will insist the country wear it. Problem solved.
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In reply to [removed post] • 4:48a, 12/21/21
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C@LAg said:
ban fentanyl.

everywhere.


Sure. Now what are we going to do to actually solve the problem?
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5:42a, 12/21/21
According to the DEA

In 2020 they seized 3879 pounds of it
In 2021 they've seized 11,432 pounds of it

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In reply to [removed post] • 6:01a, 12/21/21
C@LAg said:
ban fentanyl.

everywhere.
Hot take here.

Just ban the use of Narcan and the problem will fix itself.
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In reply to CanyonAg77 • 6:38a, 12/21/21
CanyonAg77 said:
Huh, we have conflicting opinions...or maybe not. Could be the precursor chemicals are from China, the finished product, Mexico

https://www.npr.org/2020/11/17/916890880/we-are-shipping-to-the-u-s-china-s-fentanyl-sellers-find-new-routes-to-drug-user


This is correct. Chems come to Mexico from China and they brew it south of border.

So your opinion isn't "wrong"-- and I should have clarified with "end product".

But yes-- Mexico + cartels + bribes + politicians = dead Americans and no border protection.
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7:34a, 12/21/21
The people ODing on fentanyl would be ODing something else, only matter of time.
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In reply to whiteman • 7:43a, 12/21/21
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I dont agree. A lot of recreational drugs are being cut or manufactured with fentanyl that shouldn't be. When someone does a line of coke they don't generally expect to die from an overdose of a depressant like fentanyl, but it happens. Same with those taking pills that are fake and manufactured with fentanyl.

I'm not some libertarian calling for the legalization of all drugs, but there are PLENTY of recreational users who aren't robbing grandmas house to feed their addiction who have been affected by the scourge of fentanyl.
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In reply to itsyourboypookie • 7:44a, 12/21/21
itsyourboypookie said:
Are these crackheads or future crackheads that are dying?


All I know is that at first you were hearing about heroin being cut with it and killing heroin users. Now, you are hearing about people OD'ing on Adderall and Xanax from dealers and dying. Also cocaine. I just can't figure out what the incentive would be to kill off your customers and create a scare? The crazy theory about one cartel spiking another rivals supply kind of make sense. Sam Ehlinger's brother apparently OD'd from fentanyl tainted Xanax.
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In reply to Hammerly High Dive Crips • 7:46a, 12/21/21
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Yep. It is killing folks who are using recreationally. Sure, some will take the hard line stance that any dead drug user is a good drug user, but that is ridiculous.

To your point, the cost savings qmd profit margins in using fentanyl to manufacture fake drugs or cut others obviously significantly outweighs the negatives of X number of dead users, which is why they do it.
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In reply to whiteman • 7:48a, 12/21/21
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The people ODing on fentanyl would be ODing something else, only matter of time.


Sorry, but this is simply BS. Prob only a case for the minority of them.
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In reply to Hammerly High Dive Crips • 7:49a, 12/21/21
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SB 43rd STREET OG said:
whiteman said:
The people ODing on fentanyl would be ODing something else, only matter of time.


Sorry, but this is simply BS. Prob only a case for the minority of them.


Yep. Completely wrong.
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In reply to Sea Speed • 7:51a, 12/21/21
Sea Speed said:
Yep. It is killing folks who are using recreationally. Sure, some will take the hard line stance that any dead drug user is a good drug user, but that is ridiculous.

To your point, the cost savings qmd profit margins in using fentanyl to manufacture fake drugs or cut others obviously significantly outweighs the negatives of X number of dead users, which is why they do it.


We'll see whether that is an insanely stupid long term strategy or not. These cartel bosses are supposed to be pretty good businessmen. This seems like a very desperate/bone headed short term business decision that would be made by the little illiterate Mayan foot soldiers on the front lines. I could see carefully cutting drugs like heroin and knock off oxy with it. But to be selling death Xanax and and killing college kids, makes no sense to me from a business perspective.
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7:55a, 12/21/21
If you have a loved one who is susceptible you can get fentanyl antidote from a pharmacy, no prescription necessary.

https://www.narcan.com/patients/how-to-get-narcan/

Very easy to administer
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In reply to Hammerly High Dive Crips • 7:55a, 12/21/21
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Uea, I guess I should have said thats one reason they MAY be doing it. It is quite a conundrum. With the ever increasing population and number of users it may simply be a net increase of users even with deaths. I've lost 2 family members and 2 friends and my wife lost a family friend to ODs, so it quite literally hits close to home. I cant imagine trusting street drugs these days.
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In reply to Sea Speed • 7:59a, 12/21/21
Sea Speed said:
Uea, I guess I should have said thats one reason they MAY be doing it. It is quite a conundrum. With the ever increasing population and number of users it may simply be a net increase of users even with deaths. I've lost 2 family members and 2 friends and my wife lost a family friend to ODs, so it quite literally hits close to home. I cant imagine trusting street drugs these days.


Sorry to hear that man. Not quite that many for me but I've experienced it first hand as well. And they weren't a "worthless junkie", or whatever some on this board who have never faced addiction up close would call them.
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In reply to FamousAgg • 8:02a, 12/21/21
BattleGrackle said:
If you have a loved one who is susceptible you can get fentanyl antidote from a pharmacy, no prescription necessary.

https://www.narcan.com/patients/how-to-get-narcan/

Very easy to administer


Honestly, if I had a HS or college kid, I'd probably get this just in case, even if I thought they were great kids who would never do illegal drugs. Their music is filled with stuff about popping pills and things like Xanax and Adderall come with very little taboo.
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In reply to Sea Speed • 8:24a, 12/21/21

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When someone does a line of coke they don't generally expect to die from an overdose of a depressant like fentanyl, but it happens.
Play stupid games....
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In reply to TChaney • 9:01a, 12/21/21
TChaney said:
C@LAg said:
ban fentanyl.

everywhere.
Hot take here.

Just ban the use of Narcan and the problem will fix itself.


Stupid take. If your a first responder who gets exposed you should just die…
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