McChrystal math - why we created more terrorist

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Something that most people don't think about is when we do fight a war that are we creating more enemies? Kill someone with a bullet or RPG and it could be questionable who killed them. Kill someone with a drone strike, especially in the middle east, than the only country to blame is the USA. We are fighting people that were not even alive when we first got to Afghanistan, we are fighting their kids who were taught to hate the west. The difference is they have been watching our tactics for 20 years and adapting

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In 2009, General Stanley McChrystal pushed the conversation in that direction. He pointed to the counterintuitive aspects of terror recruiting. Calling it "COIN Mathematics," he laid out his argument. "Let us say that there are 10 [insurgents] in a certain area. Following a military operation, two are killed. How many insurgents are left? Traditional mathematics would say that eight would be left, but there may only be two, because six of the living eight may have said, 'This business of insurgency is becoming dangerous so I am going to do something else.' There are more likely to be as many as 20, because each one you killed has a brother, father, son and friends, who do not necessarily think that they were killed because they were doing something wrong. It does not matter you killed them. Suddenly, then, there may be 20, making the calculus of military operations very different."

Though McChrystal did not explicitly connect U.S. military operations to the perceptions of the broader Muslim community, Osama bin Laden and his number two, Ayman al-Zawahiri, certainly did. Five years before 9/11, bin Laden railed against the presence of the U.S. military in Saudi Arabia, home to the two holiest sites of Islam. On other occasions he spoke of the "American crusader forces" and "American occupiers." His recurring theme of grievance centered on the U.S. waging war with Islam. Later, in 2005, al-Zawahiri put an exclamation point on it. In a letter to the leader of al Qaeda in Iraq, he reminded him, "The Muslim massesdo not rally except against an outside occupying enemy, especially if the enemy is firstly Jewish, and secondly American."

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hunter2012
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This is why you don't win hearts and minds. Fight to win or not at all total war is the only way to go, continually corner the enemy til he has no ground to go to or capitulates. Worked extremely well against Japan and Germany, but we've abandoned the policy and have gone soft handed "hearts and minds" ever since.
LoudestWHOOP!
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Just one more thing to keep us in a "State of Fear"

Fear porn since WWII ended: (And I know I probably missed a dozen or more)
Red Scare (Maybe we should have listened to Patton)
Nuclear Mutual Assured Destruction
Korean War (war on communism)
Vietnam War (war on communism)
Environmentalism (Ecology)
Global cooling scare
Islamic uprisings and takeovers
Terrorist Plane Hijacking
Racial strife
School shootings
Global Warming
Fertilizer bombs against buildings (OKC)
Mainstream Media pushes far left
Mass shootings
Cults
War on Drugs
Y2K
Dot Com Bust
9/11
War in Afghanistan (war on terrorism)
War in Iraq (war on terrorism)
2008 Financial Crisis
Border Crisis
Gun grabbers going after lawful citizens and not criminals
Great Resetters (Klaus Schwab and the WEF)
Covid-19 treated as a Pandemic
Healthcare and Big Pharma Cabal
Tech giants quash free speech (Google, Facebook, Twitter)
Antifa/BLM riots during a "plannedemic"
Masks, Lockdowns, Jobs lost, Freedoms lost (Rise of Socialist Democratic Totalitarianism)
Defund the Police
Stolen Elections
Afghan Debacle

BTW, McCrystal seems to be a different person than he was in 2009
Blackhorse83
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Surprised he got that much mathematics at tu.
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rackmonster
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Blackhorse83 said:

Surprised he got that much mathematics at tu.
McChrystal didn't go to tu. He went to West Point.

Blackhorse83
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rackmonster said:

Blackhorse83 said:

Surprised he got that much mathematics at tu.
McChrystal didn't go to tu. He went to West Point.

Ya got my Mc's mixed up. Was thinking McRaven.
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Kozmozag
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How many Americans wanted to kill Muslims before 911 and after. It's a stupid argument. Only solution is to kill your enemy until the capitulate. We refuse to do that so we lost again. And the issue is unresolved.
MouthBQ98
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It's an interesting argument, but it necessarily requires acceptance of some base level of terrorism selected at time and place by dedicated terrorists who may be offended by our mere existence, foreign policy, or cultural influence and business dealings.
TexAgs91
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If you're a cop, and a thug in Chicago is shooting at you, do you return fire when you might make the thug's friends sad?
No, I don't care what CNN or MSNBC said this time
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P.U.T.U
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MouthBQ98 said:

It's an interesting argument, but it necessarily requires acceptance of some base level of terrorism selected at time and place by dedicated terrorists who may be offended by our mere existence, foreign policy, or cultural influence and business dealings.
We need to change the way we are fighting wars, instead of nation building wars we need to do what we did in WW2, destroy the enemies by any means and get out.
Kozmozag
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Well we didn't get out. We actually conquered Germany and Japan and we are still there today. There were plenty of Germans and japs that hated us after the war.
MouthBQ98
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Generational occupation or keep hitting them over and over on an as needed basis.
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