This is from an interview in 1996. He speaks to what a fraud Fauci is and how there's always an agenda behind what he does.

FYI, the full 2-hour interview of Kary Mullis, inventor of PCR tech, is now available, in which Mullis has choice words about Anthony Fauci and his misuse of PCR testing during AIDS. Worth watching in full: https://t.co/YmITIYAV95pic.twitter.com/tUTm69hCR4

— Michael P Senger (@MichaelPSenger) June 1, 2021

Here's the part where Mullis calls Fauci a fraud:

https://rumble.com/vbqqod-kary-mullis-pcr-test-inventor-calls-fauci-a-fraud.html

Didn't watch the clip but does he talk about how he's an AIDS denialist? Because that's what his main beef with Fauci stems from.

They bring up the AIDS denialist in his wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis

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Mullis was quoted saying "the never-ending quest for more grants and staying with established dogmas" has hurt science.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis#cite_note-esquire_1994-10][10][/url] He believed that "science is being practiced by people who are dependent on being paid for what they are going to find out," not for what they actually produce.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis#cite_note-esquire_1994-10][10]

[/url]-- Yoffe, Emily (July 1994), Is Kary Mullis God? Nobel Prize winner's new life, 122, Esquire, pp. 6875

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LoudestWHOOP! said:

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They bring up the AIDS denialist in his wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis

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Mullis was quoted saying "the never-ending quest for more grants and staying with established dogmas" has hurt science.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis#cite_note-esquire_1994-10][10][/url] He believed that "science is being practiced by people who are dependent on being paid for what they are going to find out," not for what they actually produce.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis#cite_note-esquire_1994-10][10]

[/url]-- Yoffe, Emily (July 1994), Is Kary Mullis God? Nobel Prize winner's new life, 122, Esquire, pp. 6875

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He's not wrong. See climate science.

I like this thread.

nai06 said:

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Didn't watch the clip but does he talk about how he's an AIDS denialist? Because that's what his main beef with Fauci stems from.

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Not exactly an AIDS denialist but a denialist that HIV causes AIDS. He was a great scientist/chemist in many ways but he was definitely a crank in some ways, including this one. Him having beef with Fauci over that would be an example of Fauci being right.

Mullis also manufactured/consumed a ton of hallucinogens, believed in astrology, wrote about having a conversation with a talking, glowing raccoon that may have been an alien... he was sort of fringe.

LoudestWHOOP! said:

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They bring up the AIDS denialist in his wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis

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Mullis was quoted saying "the never-ending quest for more grants and staying with established dogmas" has hurt science.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis#cite_note-esquire_1994-10][10][/url] He believed that "science is being practiced by people who are dependent on being paid for what they are going to find out," not for what they actually produce.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis#cite_note-esquire_1994-10][10]

[/url]-- Yoffe, Emily (July 1994), Is Kary Mullis God? Nobel Prize winner's new life, 122, Esquire, pp. 6875

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Wikipedia needs to die. MSM is using it often when it is wrong as a source to slander lots of people who have no recourse.

samurai_texan said:

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LoudestWHOOP! said:

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They bring up the AIDS denialist in his wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis

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Mullis was quoted saying "the never-ending quest for more grants and staying with established dogmas" has hurt science.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis#cite_note-esquire_1994-10][10][/url] He believed that "science is being practiced by people who are dependent on being paid for what they are going to find out," not for what they actually produce.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis#cite_note-esquire_1994-10][10]

[/url]-- Yoffe, Emily (July 1994), Is Kary Mullis God? Nobel Prize winner's new life, 122, Esquire, pp. 6875

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Wikipedia needs to die. MSM is using it often when it is wrong as a source to slander lots of people who have no recourse.

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Maybe, but how does that apply here? Mullis really did espouse super fringe, thoroughly discredited beliefs about HIV/AIDS that were way out of step with the science then and now. But it mostly wasn't a huge deal, because he was already seen as kind of a fun/colorful weirdo, that grumpy Nobel prize winning surfer guy who loves to do drugs and talk to aliens and sometimes says crazy stuff. His ideas about AIDS/HIV weren't taken seriously then or now.

In any case, him not being on the same page as Fauci when it comes to HIV/AIDS is hardly a knock against Fauci. Fauci being on the same Mullis would be a major knock on Fauci.

nai06 said:

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Didn't watch the clip but does he talk about how he's an AIDS denialist? Because that's what his main beef with Fauci stems from.

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So what happened to aids? We all get the vaccine?

Secolobo said:

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nai06 said:

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Didn't watch the clip but does he talk about how he's an AIDS denialist? Because that's what his main beef with Fauci stems from.

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So what happened to aids? We all get the vaccine?

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What happened was we identified HIV as the cause, developed pretty effective antiretroviral treatment and eventually prophylaxis, none of which would have been effective at majorly reducing AIDS deaths if HIV wasn't the cause. What's your theory, that AIDS was something else entirely and it just happened to get better when we started treating HIV+ people to prevent it from progressing to AIDS and taking steps to reduce the spread of HIV?

BTW, there is apparently a very promising HIV vaccine in development now, too.

The fact that these two were in the same profession (small, unique group of Drs that all interact with each other) and knew each other for some time makes his take on Fauci worth listening to but also taking with a grain of salt. I would like to hear from a few others in their profession (off the record) on their opinions on Fauci. I suspect that most would have similar opinions of Fauci.

I have had a feeling about Fauci for almost a year now that he was a career bureaucrat and opportunist that played to the politicians to further his own career. I doubt that Fauci has examined or treated an actual patient in decades and mostly worked in the world or staff meetings, spreadsheets, budgets, schedules and policy memos. Any actual knowledge he has on current issues he gets from progress reports from those actually doing the work.

Would not surprise me that a year ago Fauci figured out which way the wind was blowing politically and set his sails accordingly.

ActualTalkingThermos said:

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nai06 said:

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Didn't watch the clip but does he talk about how he's an AIDS denialist? Because that's what his main beef with Fauci stems from.

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Not exactly an AIDS denialist but a denialist that HIV causes AIDS. He was a great scientist/chemist in many ways but he was definitely a crank in some ways, including this one. Him having beef with Fauci over that would be an example of Fauci being right.

Mullis also manufactured/consumed a ton of hallucinogens, believed in astrology, wrote about having a conversation with a talking, glowing raccoon that may have been an alien... he was sort of fringe.

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What was Fauci right about, on Aids, exactly? Was he right when he created a backlash against the gay/haitian communities, or routine close contact with a family member would lead to the disease despite the science? Was he right when he promoted AZT which killed people faster than the disease process? Was he right when he got funding on the premise of a vaccine by 1990? Was he right in his in-person research at gay bath houses?

Just curious what, exactly, Fauci got right on Aids/HIV, and when.

How about the thing I said in my post... that HIV causes AIDS.

ActualTalkingThermos said:

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How about the thing I said in my post... that HIV causes AIDS.

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And when did he get that right, vs. when he thought community exposure would lead to an infection? What information (studies/papers/research) did he have prior to that revelation, and what did he say/do in interviews?

If you don't know, that's fine, but please note that the sequence of his statements/public declarations in both pandemics are significant, imho.