Great interview with comparison to our current climate

I was thinking about this topic today. Best I could figure is you gotta hold in dearly to the Truth like it was your wallet and you were in a sea of thieves.

Famously, no one has ever died due to American capitalist imperialism.

Just ask Guatemala, Vietnam, Iraq, I could go on...

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I was thinking about this topic today. Best I could figure is you gotta hold in dearly to the Truth like it was your wallet and you were in a sea of thieves.

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Yes we are going to have to start sacrificing a lot for truth. Looks like we are at the brink of a cultural revolution.

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So skip the disarming part. No matter what incidents are arranged. As this thread shows, you can't ever disarm anyway because of the Democratic Party and Legacy Media:

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3195219/replies/59163360

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Famously, no one has ever died due to American capitalist imperialism neocon forever war mongers

Just ask Guatemala, Vietnam, Iraq, your neighbor. I could go on...

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FIFY

Guessing we can all agree. No?

Time to form actual anti-Left counters and groups. The equivalent of their blms, antifas, college agitators. The opposition press will call them brownshirts, but who cares about that. A "Contra-Left" force needs to form to head off this growing Red Guards behavior.

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Time to form actual anti-Left counters and groups. The equivalent of their blms, antifas, college agitators. The opposition press will call them brownshirts, but who cares about that. A "Contra-Left" force needs to form to head off this growing Red Guards behavior.

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Who is John Galt?

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Famously, no one has ever died due to American capitalist imperialism.

Just ask Guatemala, Vietnam, Iraq, I could go on...

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Are you actually attempting to goal tend for communism??

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That's amazing he is trying to do that. Goal tending for Mussolini would be genuinely easier, but communism?

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Famously, no one has ever died due to American capitalist imperialism.

Just ask Guatemala, Vietnam, Iraq, I could go on...

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what is laughable about your world view is that all of these conflicts arise not from capitalism, but from socialism.

capitalist america lacked the military firepower or inclination to engage in such conflicts.

government was less than 1% of GDP and employment, real people took care of themselves, their businesses, their children, their education, and their protection, and america prospered beyond any country in all of history. hiring police and busting trusts is about the limit of what government should be doing domestically. we didnt bother with world wars, or exporting democracy to idiots who should never be voting for anything, or anything else

Only when the same international elite financial class that created socialism, financed Lenin, Hitler, to some extent, and other boogeymen, suckered our country into universal suffrage (i mean suckerage), income tax, banks under their control, new deal, massive expansion of government, military industrial complex, and frankly socialism took firm root did america start engaging in those kinds of conflicts.

it is no coincidence either. socialism has always been a tool of the true financial elite, used to whip up the useful idiot masses against the middle classes - the one group of people that threaten the real elites.


to what extent was it all avoidable? If we could start in 1910 and protect america and the world, we could have turned the world into a capitalist paradise. If you have to start much later, not so much. Hitler (a national, as opposed to an international socialist) was pretty well right when he said that "The great strength of the totalitarian state is that it forces those who fear it to imitate it." when we let the world turn socialist, well, it can't help but take root here too.

Very interesting post and overview. What is striking is how most of the main elements are correct.

Seeing it that way, and especially your choice of 1910 as a year to mark, strengthens the idea that the wrong side won World War One, and its unfortunate Wilson took us into it. The sides were not different enough ideologically to delineate extremes like in WW II and a different outcome can probably put down Marxism if the U.S. remains a capitalist center not interested in acting too hegemonic. It is the full scale system implosions in central and eastern Europe that open the doors for Marxist extremism and their counter-reactionary extremes. A different outcome probably changes that. Mideast may be less a mess also.

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Famously, no one has ever died due to American capitalist imperialism.

Just ask Guatemala, Vietnam, Iraq, I could go on...

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Very interesting post and overview. What is striking is how most of the main elements are correct.

Seeing it that way, and especially your choice of 1910 as a year to mark, strengthens the idea that the wrong side won World War One, and its unfortunate Wilson took us into it. The sides were not different enough ideological like in WW II and a different outcome can probably put down Marxism if the U.S. remains a capitalist center not interested in acting too hegemonic.

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the hard part of piecing it all together is that the true bad guys write the history books, and they aren't political or military leaders, or even really all public figures. they arent usually in the books much, certainly not in their full roles. they are not czars, dictators, or presidents. but the strings they pulled all had real results.

i've met some very interesting people, and also read quite a bit, that helps me piece things together, but bottom line, i want to research what really happened 'behind the curtains' even more. I've recently read a lot of WW1 material, and right now a fascinating book about the state of the world in 1913. It is pretty shocking how well positioned the world was for an amazing future... compared to what happened.

what actually happened is not debatable. but who the webs of power players really were, how they interacted, rose and fell, and how it all came about is really fascinating and difficult to research.

bottom line, there remains tremendous institutional wealth and power, some tracing all the way back from europe's origins as a financial center. new concentrated wealth power bases also arose in america and abroad in the 19th centuries - the railroad and steel barons for instance. oil barons in the mid 20th, though this breed seems to have been a little bit of a different batch. now we have new ones in the late 20th - tech revolution.

i think those power bases always feared and hated america for what it was. a large nation of independent, willful, powerful, educated, self sufficient middle class people - these people cant be robbed. these people cant' be exploited. if you arent careful, these people might end your elite status.

i think they have tried a number of ways to regain control (you can thank guys like Andrew Jackson for their early failures). i think when the american experiment proved so tremendously successful, became really powerful, and especially after trust busting and other maneuvers protective of real americans were implemented, many of these international elites attempted to renew their attacks on us.

It is a lot easier to corrupt and control a tight group of national leaders than it is a whole nation of ethical americans who keep electing new people every few years, none of whom really want or need your handouts.

the result of all of that interaction was things like WW1, income tax, private national banking, funding communism and socialism, the new deal, growth of the military industrial complex, exploitation of expanded suffrage by the welfare state, etc., and all that went with it.

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the hard part of piecing it all together is that the true bad guys write the history books, and they aren't political or military leaders, or even really all public figures. they arent usually in the books much, certainly not in their full roles. they are not czars, dictators, or presidents. but the strings they pulled all had real results.

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While cannot speak for going forward, because it looks gloomy, for the past that is way over-stated though, something of a trope, that even the victors, or the "true bad guys" write the history. What they write are the TEXT books and publicly conventionally consumed summaries, and since TV, what is broadcast. But for any willing to just leave out the opinions and look at actions of entities --- the primary history record reveals its own story. And again, not talking about going forward, but up till now, you are not force fed how you take it. People just tend to not investigate further. But the primary evidence speaks for itself when assembled. What you do run into is destroyed evidence, lost evidence, omitted evidence. But the remaining usually speaks pretty loudly and can be put together.

Understand that what generally are taught, is what you are talking about. The picture is nowhere near as bleak when self-taught, and simply examining things for yourself. Unfortunately, because of memory hole and 1984 behavior, that will probably soon change, but it hasn't been true as much to now as people think. This is something you realize the moment you confront the vast scale of what has been saved.

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i've met some very interesting people, and also read quite a bit, that helps me piece things together, but bottom line, i want to research what really happened 'behind the curtains' even more. I've recently read a lot of WW1 material, and right now a fascinating book about the state of the world in 1913. It is pretty shocking how well positioned the world was for an amazing future... compared to what happened.

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Yes. It was an amazing derail, and is far far too neglected because of the just more immediate, more recent (and better documented in some ways) character of WW II. Yet WW II is very understandable and almost inevitable compared to the sheer waste and ruin of WW I's legacy. Because of how WW I ended -- much of what happened had to the way it did, especially to head off Marxism. But it goes off the cliff in response. And the ruin of the Mideast created after 1919 is a matter of record.

So right about 1913. Perhaps you will agree we in our lifetimes we had another such "how well positioned the world was for an amazing future... compared to what happened" a second chance, but like after 1913 completely dissolved by the choices made in response to events.

That year was 1999. But all that is in ruins now.

Are we still in those places doing "imperial capitalist" things? Did we ever intend to stay? Were they Democrat party mistakes?
(I include Iraq because they were mostly for it, before we went over there, and then they turned against it)

Marxists are the types that take over and stay and oppress.

Iraq is arguably not the fault of either political party, but of the alphabets lying about the evidence. If Colin Powell knew he was lying at the UN in Feb 2003 it didn't show.

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Famously, no one has ever died due to American capitalist imperialism.

Just ask Guatemala, Vietnam, Iraq, I could go on...

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. Call us when it gets to 10% of the 60M+ communism has murdered.

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100M, conservatively

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Famously, no one has ever died due to American capitalist imperialism.

Just ask Guatemala, Vietnam, Iraq, I could go on...

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I'll make this short, useful idiot.

Follow it out with this fervor, and they will do away with you toward the end, about the time you realize how good you had it.

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Famously, no one has ever died due to American capitalist imperialism.

Just ask Guatemala, Vietnam, Iraq, I could go on...

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Who has ever claimed that a free society was safe? Hell, it was bought and paid for with sacrifices. The disservice is forsaking those sacrifices to defend the evils of communism.

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This would make a fascinating Netflix series; an Axis victor post-WWI world.

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This would make a fascinating Netflix series; an Axis victor post-WWI world.

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Amazon already did that with an Axis victory post WWII world, but post WWI has the potential to prevent II I suppose.

Mccarthy was right.

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This would make a fascinating Netflix series; an Axis victor post-WWI world.

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All the difference in the world between the scenarios, and that is what makes it so evocative. Neither side was especially evil or just over the top in World War One. That makes it harder to play black and white than WW II.

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This would make a fascinating Netflix series; an Axis victor post-WWI world.

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Amazon already did that with an Axis victory post WWII world, but post WWI has the potential to prevent II I suppose.

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All the difference in the world between the scenarios, and that is what makes it so evocative. Neither side was especially evil or just over the top in World War One. That makes it harder to play black and white than WW II.

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True point.