The real, anti-woke history of the Alamo

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Squadron7
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The Texas State Historical Association's chief historian wants us to forget the Alamo and view its defenders and their supporters now as racists. Walter Buenger, Ph.D. and TSHA chief historian, recently slammed the Alamo as an insignificant battle then and a monument to white supremacy now. The facts don't support that at all.

Here goes:

The problem with the Left, international as well as American, is that they obsess so much over every sin, real or alleged, of the United States, going berserk over American/Western guilt, that they leave other nations and their citizens totally unscathed from the minutest amount of criticism, all the while ignoring basic historical facts.

In the leftist telling, for instance (as well as that of La Raza), Mexico is seen as the sacred territory of the Mexican people, the target of the greedy eyes of los gringos who were allegedly nothing but despicable traitors to their country (Mexico), while single-minded Mexicans living in perfect peace are seen as the blameless victims of the Texans (and the imperialistic Anglo-Americans) wishing to introduce slavery to their region.

That simplistic picture is leaving out a whole lot of information.

The rest is here.
Ags4DaWin
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When all you are taught is racism then racism is all you see. To these ideologues CRT is their God and there is no reasoning with them, just like there was no reasoning with the communists, the Japanese, or the Nazis. Their belief is absolute and they will use all means at their disposal to advance their agenda.

Except now they are on our own soil. Very dangerous.
Hendrix
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The defenders of the Alamo were heroes that changed Tejas to Texas. Walter, blow me!
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Keegan99
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Does TSHA receive any state funding or support?

If so, that needs to be reviewed.
UTExan
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If it was so insignificant and a monument to white supremacy, why did the Mexicans win the battle? And why did it spur generations of Americans and Texans to bravery?

Answer: Because it was an answer to the idolatrous tyranny of dictators, military or ideological.
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MouthBQ98
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Progressive intersectionalist leftists infiltrate and subvert institutions to promote their divisive cultish ideology. It's what they do.
annie88
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It is truly becoming just ridiculous how much the left ties everything in their lives up to racism.

You can't even hardly watch a television show or movie anymore without it. Things being canceled left and right because of it.

Going back and trying to change history. They're really truly sick individuals and I'm getting ****ing sick of it

It's pretty much all to blame the white man for every bad thing that has ever happened since the beginning of time, while simultaneously ignoring everything done by people of color.
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Fightin TX Aggie
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So the "good guys" are the ones who suspended the rule of law, installed a dictator and massacred prisoners.

Why?

Because their race.

I'm so damn tired of the race obsessed.
Squadron7
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Cancel Culture is the McCarthyism of the Left.

And it has gathered a hell of a lot more victims that the original ever did.
Always_Right
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None of these idiots have ever experienced real racism, go walk around Mexico and you'll get a first hand lesson.
Old McDonald
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sorry leftists, this cultural marxism rewriting of history won't fly in Texas. come and take it.
Old Sarge
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Walter Buenger, Ph.D., is an embarrassment to all those born as Texans. It is sickening this history rewriting touche bag used to teach at Texas A&M, and who'd a thought he'd beat it over to UT to live with his kind and spew this incorrect views in that Leftist echo chamber.

Good riddance for Texas A&M. Sadly, it sounds like he is set up to, and intends to do as much damage to the truthful history of our state as he can, as long as he can. The only way to get his tripe spewing stopped is get him removed from that position. WTF hired him? Get them out as well. Obviously they were not paying attention, or perhaps they were, and feel the same with the same goals.
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Great_I_Am said:

None of these idiots have ever experienced real racism, go walk around Mexico and you'll get a first hand lesson.
Yeah...

The blond haired, blue eyed rich Mexicans definitely show a lot of racism to the darker skinned Mestizo brethren...
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Ag with kids
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Squadron7 said:

Quote:

The Texas State Historical Association's chief historian wants us to forget the Alamo and view its defenders and their supporters now as racists. Walter Buenger, Ph.D. and TSHA chief historian, recently slammed the Alamo as an insignificant battle then and a monument to white supremacy now. The facts don't support that at all.

Here goes:

The problem with the Left, international as well as American, is that they obsess so much over every sin, real or alleged, of the United States, going berserk over American/Western guilt, that they leave other nations and their citizens totally unscathed from the minutest amount of criticism, all the while ignoring basic historical facts.

In the leftist telling, for instance (as well as that of La Raza), Mexico is seen as the sacred territory of the Mexican people, the target of the greedy eyes of los gringos who were allegedly nothing but despicable traitors to their country (Mexico), while single-minded Mexicans living in perfect peace are seen as the blameless victims of the Texans (and the imperialistic Anglo-Americans) wishing to introduce slavery to their region.

That simplistic picture is leaving out a whole lot of information.

The rest is here.
Yeah...I guess the fact that the Mexicans had just 15 years ago been "despicable traitors to their country" (Spain) means nothing...
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richardag
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Squadron7 said:

Quote:

The Texas State Historical Association's chief historian wants us to forget the Alamo and view its defenders and their supporters now as racists. Walter Buenger, Ph.D. and TSHA chief historian, recently slammed the Alamo as an insignificant battle then and a monument to white supremacy now. The facts don't support that at all.

Here goes:

The problem with the Left, international as well as American, is that they obsess so much over every sin, real or alleged, of the United States, going berserk over American/Western guilt, that they leave other nations and their citizens totally unscathed from the minutest amount of criticism, all the while ignoring basic historical facts.

In the leftist telling, for instance (as well as that of La Raza), Mexico is seen as the sacred territory of the Mexican people, the target of the greedy eyes of los gringos who were allegedly nothing but despicable traitors to their country (Mexico), while single-minded Mexicans living in perfect peace are seen as the blameless victims of the Texans (and the imperialistic Anglo-Americans) wishing to introduce slavery to their region.

That simplistic picture is leaving out a whole lot of information.

The rest is here.
Thank you for the link.
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Fightin TX Aggie
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I wonder how he feels about the Mexicans ethnic cleansing the Karankawas?
The_Fox
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At night, if you are real quiet, you can still hear Colonel Bowie blasting two more dirty mexicans.
UTExan
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Fightin TX Aggie said:

I wonder how he feels about the Mexicans ethnic cleansing the Karankawas?
Or the Spanish ethnically cleansing/enslaving the Nahuatl?
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zoneag
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Wasn't Mexico "stolen" from Spain by Mexicans? I guess that was ok.
TXAG 05
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The Spaniards were white, so therefore, evil. So it's ok
itsyourboypookie
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White people were only allowed in Texas to be a buffer between the Comanches and the Mexicans lol.
The Dirty Sock
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***k them. Remember Goliad , remember the alamo
Tom Doniphon
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Piss on anyone that shts on the history and memories of Texas heroes that were massacred at the Alamo...
gbaby23
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Squadron7 said:

Cancel Culture is the McCarthyism of the Left.
Except McCarthy was right.
doubledog
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The Texas revolution was only one part of the wider Mexican revolution of 1835-1846. The revolution stemmed not from issue of slavery (in toto), but from Santa Anna's coup and the overthrow of the Mexican constitution of 1824.

The Alamo was not insignificant in terms of the whole revolution in general. It was a "small affair" to Santa Anna, but not to the future Texas.

FCBlitz
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Juan Seguin was a racist? Dang would have never known.
Butchy Woods
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I assume this is the same Dr Buenger that taught my Texas History class at A&M back in the early 80's. This dude never had a positive word about Texas. If I remember correctly, he is from Fort Stockton, so I thought he would have a very positive Texas centric position on the course.

Buenger's argument conveniently overlooks the multitude of other revolts throughout Mexico before and after the Texas Revolution and that Santa Ana lead the 1832 revolt in Veracruz against Mexico. He is butthurt that Santa Ana failed to succeed in the Texas Revolution. Jose Enrique de la Pena has a much different opinion on Santa Ana and the Alamo and he was there. Excellent book. I would be willing to bet de la Pena would not have a favorable opinion of Buenger. Liberalism really is a mental disease.

Back in college I never understood how someone from Texas and who studied Texas History would hate this state so much. Now it all makes perfect sense.

This JA had us read Desert Solitaire. WTH!! Has nothing to do with Texas.

Brutal Puffin
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If you want to help take on these loony leftists and restore Texas history, you might drop these folks a few bucks.... https://texasreader.com/2021/03/unmakers-of-texas-history-ep-3/
chimpanzee
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IIRC, there are more than a few Spanish surnames on the Alamo cenotaph.
Stasco
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I used to know Walter Buenger fairly well. Dude has always been a flaming lefty.
BigJim49 AustinNowDallas
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Go to the TSHA website and tell them to get rid of this stupid man !
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zoneag said:

Wasn't Mexico "stolen" from Spain by Mexicans? I guess that was ok.
No...

They had a "War of Independence"

Texas had a "Revolution"

Two ENTIRELY different things.
You can turn off signatures, btw
Dorm 15
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White people were only allowed in Texas to be a buffer between the Comanches and the Mexicans lol.
Initially the Spanish but you are most correct. A decision they soon regretted but what followed was inevitable.
Fightin TX Aggie
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Dorm 15 said:

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White people were only allowed in Texas to be a buffer between the Comanches and the Mexicans lol.
Initially the Spanish but you are most correct. A decision they soon regretted but what followed was inevitable.

The colt revolver (technology) and the Texas Rangers (strategy/tactics) were what led to the defeat of the Comanche. The US Army ultimately did it, but they followed the successful Ranger tactics.

The Comanche were formidable foes for a long, long time.
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