https://odysee.com/@Styxhexenhammer666:2/483646319_mp4_h264_aac_hd_hfr:5

This is another video of this guy's that I really like. He describes the paradigm shifts within the parties during the last few decades of the 20th Century, and the current paradigm shift that's happening right now. This guy gets the complexities within the parties and knows they're far from monoliths. It's interesting to see him break it out like this.

He describes the paradigm shift that happened from Carter's defeat, through Reagan, and finishing with Bush Sr. as a younger, more "hip" Bill Clinton came onto the stage as a neoliberal. The political paradigm stayed pretty much the same through Clinton and Bush Jr., and it began to change particularly in the 2010s.

In my opinion (and he mentions some of this in this video), three major indications of the paradigm shift were the TEA Party, Ron Paul's energetic and determined campaigns in '08 and '12, and finally Trump's 2016 win. Trump's huge gains in 2020 indicate the shift is still ongoing. The paradigm shift is still occurring, but Trump's "loss*" in 2020 complicates things. Still, it doesn't seem like Styx expects the newer right wing is going to back off.

As with the last video, he uses coarse language at times but makes great points.

Waffledynamics said:

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https://odysee.com/@Styxhexenhammer666:2/483646319_mp4_h264_aac_hd_hfr:5

This is another video of this guy's that I really like. He describes the paradigm shifts within the parties during the last few decades of the 20th Century, and the current paradigm shift that's happening right now. This guy gets the complexities within the parties and knows they're far from monoliths. It's interesting to see him break it out like this.

As with the last video, he uses coarse language at times but makes great points.

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Thank you for the link. It took a while before I began understanding his definitions for some of his terms, neocons, etc. but worth the time to listen.

Fantastic speach!

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I've been quite a broken record about the great party realignment here in this forum. I remember back in the 90s how much mental gymnastics I did to explain away the signs that the GOP establishment was not conservative in the way that that I was. That in fact, I had much less I common with them than I had imagined.

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Ronald Reagan espoused a "Big Tent" Republican Party and it WORKED. Republicans have been fighting each other more than fighting Dems/LIbs/Progressives of late. Similar to what you described in your post. We have state GOP parties censoring Republican office holders for damned sake.

The msm being in the tank for the Dems/Libs/Progressives makes the GOPs path to victory at the polls even harder. Here's a link that describes Reagan's thoughts on his "Big Tent" ideas:

The 'Big Tent' | Letters | ravallirepublic.com

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Abraham Lincoln navigated the new Republican Party by rallying contentious factions, primarily the War Democrats and Radical Republicans. Lincoln worked with these factions by capitalizing on their dislike of the pro-confederate sympathizers and appealing to the American people. This was the beginning of "The Big Tent," inclusion of many philosophies with a common goal.

Ronald Reagan supported Abraham Lincoln's principles with his "Big Tent" speech. "We discovered we could no longer afford the luxury of internal fighting, backbiting and throat-cutting." "We must keep the door open offering our party as the only practical answer..." "... this is the great common denominator this dedication to the belief in man's aspirations as an individual we cannot offer them a narrow sectarian party in which all must swear allegiance to prescribed commandments." "Unity does not require unanimity of thought."


"Unity does not require unanimity of thought." That is the Republican Party, the Republican Party of Lincoln and Reagan. The party of inclusion, diversity of thought, acceptance despite differences because we know we're stronger together.

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Think hard about these words:

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"We must keep the door open offering our party as the only practical answer..." "... this is the great common denominator this dedication to the belief in man's aspirations as an individual

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The "only practical answer" and "the belief in man's aspirations as an individual". I think they those thoughts DO define the difference between the GOP and the Dem party. But now, more than ever, IMO we need a UNIFIED and "Big Tent" party again. And sadly, we aren't even close to that - and getting farther away from it every day,

Flame away. But spare me the "concerned moderate" BS. Really tired of seeing that on this board.

Average Guy said:

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Key takeaway quote, advice to the new right:

"Don't even bother partnering with them [the old right], just take over the f**`n party. "

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A sure path to defeat

NormanAg said:

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Average Guy said:

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Key takeaway quote, advice to the new right:

"Don't even bother partnering with them [the old right], just take over the f**`n party. "

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A sure path to defeat

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I disagree. Outdated politics will lose to more modern politics. Do you want the modern victor to be left or right?

I distinctly remember Trump saying the GOP is now the Big Tent Party in one of his rallies pre-election. I loved it.

NormanAg said:

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Average Guy said:

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Key takeaway quote, advice to the new right:

"Don't even bother partnering with them [the old right], just take over the f**`n party. "

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A sure path to defeat

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I don't know. I'd say the old Republicans will get onboard because they don't want to vote for a Democrat either.

NormanAg said:

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Average Guy said:

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Key takeaway quote, advice to the new right:

"Don't even bother partnering with them [the old right], just take over the f**`n party. "

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A sure path to defeat

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This is how the establishment keeps us on the plantation. Time to break the chains and get statesmen who represent we the people into power.

Can we make this "new" GOP finally conservative, unlike it has ever really been? Please?

BigRobSA said:

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Can we make this "new" GOP finally conservative, unlike it has ever really been? Please?

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Have you read what the posters above you are saying?

They want a big tent. Only way to get that is to grab the "moderate left", which are only moderate because the center has moved so far to the left. These people were considered fanatical left 20 years ago.

And to get those, you can kiss goodbye to any sense of responsible economics.

So no. Big tent = more spending and more liberalism, not less.

mazag08 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Can we make this "new" GOP finally conservative, unlike it has ever really been? Please?

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Have you read what the posters above you are saying?

They want a big tent. Only way to get that is to grab the "moderate left", which are only moderate because the center has moved so far to the left. These people were considered fanatical left 20 years ago.

And to get those, you can kiss goodbye to any sense of responsible economics.

So no. Big tent = more spending and more liberalism, not less.

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mazag08 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Can we make this "new" GOP finally conservative, unlike it has ever really been? Please?

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Have you read what the posters above you are saying?

They want a big tent. Only way to get that is to grab the "moderate left", which are only moderate because the center has moved so far to the left. These people were considered fanatical left 20 years ago.

And to get those, you can kiss goodbye to any sense of responsible economics.

So no. Big tent = more spending and more liberalism, not less.

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Conservatism is not capable of defeating communism or it would have done so already. Only a populist / nationalist message stands a chance; There's a reason the elites hate it so much world wide.

Average Guy said:

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mazag08 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Can we make this "new" GOP finally conservative, unlike it has ever really been? Please?

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Have you read what the posters above you are saying?

They want a big tent. Only way to get that is to grab the "moderate left", which are only moderate because the center has moved so far to the left. These people were considered fanatical left 20 years ago.

And to get those, you can kiss goodbye to any sense of responsible economics.

So no. Big tent = more spending and more liberalism, not less.

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Not the moderate left. The non elite left, i.e. the working class. I also don't concur that the only way to do that is by abandoning reasonable economics.

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We can easily afford the funding of social safety nets / welfare and whatnot. However, we need to close the border and limit immigration and stop sending billions of dollars overseas in foreign aid and cease with attempting to "bring democracy to the middle east".

Pookers said:

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Average Guy said:

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mazag08 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Can we make this "new" GOP finally conservative, unlike it has ever really been? Please?

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Have you read what the posters above you are saying?

They want a big tent. Only way to get that is to grab the "moderate left", which are only moderate because the center has moved so far to the left. These people were considered fanatical left 20 years ago.

And to get those, you can kiss goodbye to any sense of responsible economics.

So no. Big tent = more spending and more liberalism, not less.

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Not the moderate left. The non elite left, i.e. the working class. I also don't concur that the only way to do that is by abandoning reasonable economics.

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We can easily afford the funding of social safety nets / welfare and whatnot.

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Bull*****

Total, utter, bull*****

Average Guy said:

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NormanAg said:

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Average Guy said:

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Key takeaway quote, advice to the new right:

"Don't even bother partnering with them [the old right], just take over the f**`n party. "

---

A sure path to defeat

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The old GOP is not and never has been a big tent party. We need to force the realignment to complete, to get the Democrat voters who are held in contempt by the leadership of both parties. You know, the Reagan Democrats and increasingly the working class immigrants who want to pass on a legacy of citizenship which means something to their children.

The old GOP is dead and has no future. Sorry. The blood is on the hands of the patricians who delivered exactly zero for the biggest most enthusiastic part of its base. The fight for the spoils has arrived. The only thing now is to win or lose.

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Yep

The "old guard" GOP had decades of, at times, unchecked executive and legislative power and did NOTHING to cement a legacy of conservative principles. From 1980 to 2008, they controlled the presidency for 20/28 years and one or both of the legislative branches for 24/28 years. And all they did was spend while lying about their spending, war monger while lying about their war mongering and ***** about democratic obstructionism. They did all this while touting a social agenda that has become entirely untenable, and this bunch have now been reduced to opining about "good old days" which were never that good to begin with.

The country is longing for someone to stop the modern left's madness without having to accept old guard social norms and economic nepotism. Trump was the closest thing we've seen to this, but ended up being too easy a target for the media with his behavior and disposition. Trump policies with the face of say, Ron Desantis is what this country needs. The era of the big spending, televangelist social conservative is dead.

Infection_Ag11 said:

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Average Guy said:

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NormanAg said:

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Average Guy said:

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Key takeaway quote, advice to the new right:

"Don't even bother partnering with them [the old right], just take over the f**`n party. "

---

A sure path to defeat

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The old GOP is not and never has been a big tent party. We need to force the realignment to complete, to get the Democrat voters who are held in contempt by the leadership of both parties. You know, the Reagan Democrats and increasingly the working class immigrants who want to pass on a legacy of citizenship which means something to their children.

The old GOP is dead and has no future. Sorry. The blood is on the hands of the patricians who delivered exactly zero for the biggest most enthusiastic part of its base. The fight for the spoils has arrived. The only thing now is to win or lose.

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Yep

The "old guard" GOP had decades of, at times, unchecked executive and legislative power and did NOTHING to cement a legacy of conservative principles. From 1980 to 2008, they controlled the presidency for 20/28 years and one or both of the legislative branches for 24/28 years. And all they did was spend while lying about their spending, war monger while lying about their war mongering and ***** about democratic obstructionism. They did all this while touting a social agenda that has become entirely untenable, and this bunch have now been reduced to opining about "good old days" which were never that good to begin with.

The country is longing for someone to stop the modern left's madness without having to accept old guard social norms and economic nepotism. Trump was the closest thing we've seen to this, but ended up being too easy a target for the media with his behavior and disposition. Trump policies with the face of say, Ron Desantis is what this country needs. The era of the big spending, televangelist social conservative is dead.

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No, we need conservative principles. Trump stumbled onto them periodically but was too liberal at heart. We need an actual conservative like a Paul or Cruz.

BigRobSA said:

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Pookers said:

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Average Guy said:

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mazag08 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Can we make this "new" GOP finally conservative, unlike it has ever really been? Please?

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Have you read what the posters above you are saying?

They want a big tent. Only way to get that is to grab the "moderate left", which are only moderate because the center has moved so far to the left. These people were considered fanatical left 20 years ago.

And to get those, you can kiss goodbye to any sense of responsible economics.

So no. Big tent = more spending and more liberalism, not less.

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Not the moderate left. The non elite left, i.e. the working class. I also don't concur that the only way to do that is by abandoning reasonable economics.

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We can easily afford the funding of social safety nets / welfare and whatnot.

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Bull*****

Total, utter, bull*****

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As I said before Rob, with these guys in charge of the big tent, get ready for more spending.

mazag08 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Pookers said:

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Average Guy said:

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mazag08 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Can we make this "new" GOP finally conservative, unlike it has ever really been? Please?

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Have you read what the posters above you are saying?

They want a big tent. Only way to get that is to grab the "moderate left", which are only moderate because the center has moved so far to the left. These people were considered fanatical left 20 years ago.

And to get those, you can kiss goodbye to any sense of responsible economics.

So no. Big tent = more spending and more liberalism, not less.

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Not the moderate left. The non elite left, i.e. the working class. I also don't concur that the only way to do that is by abandoning reasonable economics.

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We can easily afford the funding of social safety nets / welfare and whatnot.

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Bull*****

Total, utter, bull*****

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As I said before Rob, with these guys in charge of the big tent, get ready for more spending.

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Evidently so.

BigRobSA said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Average Guy said:

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NormanAg said:

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Average Guy said:

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Key takeaway quote, advice to the new right:

"Don't even bother partnering with them [the old right], just take over the f**`n party. "

---

A sure path to defeat

---

The old GOP is not and never has been a big tent party. We need to force the realignment to complete, to get the Democrat voters who are held in contempt by the leadership of both parties. You know, the Reagan Democrats and increasingly the working class immigrants who want to pass on a legacy of citizenship which means something to their children.

The old GOP is dead and has no future. Sorry. The blood is on the hands of the patricians who delivered exactly zero for the biggest most enthusiastic part of its base. The fight for the spoils has arrived. The only thing now is to win or lose.

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Yep

The "old guard" GOP had decades of, at times, unchecked executive and legislative power and did NOTHING to cement a legacy of conservative principles. From 1980 to 2008, they controlled the presidency for 20/28 years and one or both of the legislative branches for 24/28 years. And all they did was spend while lying about their spending, war monger while lying about their war mongering and ***** about democratic obstructionism. They did all this while touting a social agenda that has become entirely untenable, and this bunch have now been reduced to opining about "good old days" which were never that good to begin with.

The country is longing for someone to stop the modern left's madness without having to accept old guard social norms and economic nepotism. Trump was the closest thing we've seen to this, but ended up being too easy a target for the media with his behavior and disposition. Trump policies with the face of say, Ron Desantis is what this country needs. The era of the big spending, televangelist social conservative is dead.

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No, we need conservative principles. Trump stumbled onto them periodically but was too liberal at heart. We need an actual conservative like a Paul or Cruz.

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Paul, yes. Cruz reads the direction of the wind and moves that way. He's not as good as you think he is, but far better than many alternatives.

I think it's also key to remember that the paradigm shift is being led by nationalists and has roots in the Ron Paul libertarian-ish group and TEA Party. I think there will be plenty of fiscal conservatism. Many of the moderates don't actually care about spending, either. They care more about social issues (mostly not being threatened with getting called "intolerant"). That's why there's a culture war.

You get nothing if you keep losing because you are simply outnumbered. You can be as dedicated and faithful as you want but if you can't cobble together a majority that turns out, you will keep losing ground.

BigRobSA said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Average Guy said:

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NormanAg said:

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Average Guy said:

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Key takeaway quote, advice to the new right:

"Don't even bother partnering with them [the old right], just take over the f**`n party. "

---

A sure path to defeat

---

The old GOP is not and never has been a big tent party. We need to force the realignment to complete, to get the Democrat voters who are held in contempt by the leadership of both parties. You know, the Reagan Democrats and increasingly the working class immigrants who want to pass on a legacy of citizenship which means something to their children.

The old GOP is dead and has no future. Sorry. The blood is on the hands of the patricians who delivered exactly zero for the biggest most enthusiastic part of its base. The fight for the spoils has arrived. The only thing now is to win or lose.

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Yep

The "old guard" GOP had decades of, at times, unchecked executive and legislative power and did NOTHING to cement a legacy of conservative principles. From 1980 to 2008, they controlled the presidency for 20/28 years and one or both of the legislative branches for 24/28 years. And all they did was spend while lying about their spending, war monger while lying about their war mongering and ***** about democratic obstructionism. They did all this while touting a social agenda that has become entirely untenable, and this bunch have now been reduced to opining about "good old days" which were never that good to begin with.

The country is longing for someone to stop the modern left's madness without having to accept old guard social norms and economic nepotism. Trump was the closest thing we've seen to this, but ended up being too easy a target for the media with his behavior and disposition. Trump policies with the face of say, Ron Desantis is what this country needs. The era of the big spending, televangelist social conservative is dead.

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No, we need conservative principles. Trump stumbled onto them periodically but was too liberal at heart. We need an actual conservative like a Paul or Cruz.

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Paul is a stale libertarian who, while I would love to vote for him, is unelectable in a general presidential election. Cruz is a theocrat at heart, though he seems to have learned to subdue these urges publicly. I'd need to see him not revert to his base instincts/habits like he did in 2016 before believing he could win a presidential election though. He's just got too much of his dad in him and too easily gets drawn offsides with side show social causes.

I enjoyed listening to him. He's thoughtful and colorful.

Infection_Ag11 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Average Guy said:

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NormanAg said:

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Average Guy said:

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Key takeaway quote, advice to the new right:

"Don't even bother partnering with them [the old right], just take over the f**`n party. "

---

A sure path to defeat

---

The old GOP is not and never has been a big tent party. We need to force the realignment to complete, to get the Democrat voters who are held in contempt by the leadership of both parties. You know, the Reagan Democrats and increasingly the working class immigrants who want to pass on a legacy of citizenship which means something to their children.

The old GOP is dead and has no future. Sorry. The blood is on the hands of the patricians who delivered exactly zero for the biggest most enthusiastic part of its base. The fight for the spoils has arrived. The only thing now is to win or lose.

---

Yep

The "old guard" GOP had decades of, at times, unchecked executive and legislative power and did NOTHING to cement a legacy of conservative principles. From 1980 to 2008, they controlled the presidency for 20/28 years and one or both of the legislative branches for 24/28 years. And all they did was spend while lying about their spending, war monger while lying about their war mongering and ***** about democratic obstructionism. They did all this while touting a social agenda that has become entirely untenable, and this bunch have now been reduced to opining about "good old days" which were never that good to begin with.

The country is longing for someone to stop the modern left's madness without having to accept old guard social norms and economic nepotism. Trump was the closest thing we've seen to this, but ended up being too easy a target for the media with his behavior and disposition. Trump policies with the face of say, Ron Desantis is what this country needs. The era of the big spending, televangelist social conservative is dead.

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No, we need conservative principles. Trump stumbled onto them periodically but was too liberal at heart. We need an actual conservative like a Paul or Cruz.

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Paul is a stale libertarian who, while I would love to vote for him, is unelectable in a general presidential election. Cruz is a theocrat at heart, though he seems to have learned to subdue these urges publicly. I'd need to see him not revert to his base instincts/habits like he did in 2016 before believing he could win a presidential election though. He's just got too much of his dad in him and too easily gets drawn offsides with side show social causes.

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Either one of them are loads better than anyone else on the national scene in the GOP.

I don't vote for liberals, even Republican ones.

BigRobSA said:

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Pookers said:

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Average Guy said:

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mazag08 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Can we make this "new" GOP finally conservative, unlike it has ever really been? Please?

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Have you read what the posters above you are saying?

They want a big tent. Only way to get that is to grab the "moderate left", which are only moderate because the center has moved so far to the left. These people were considered fanatical left 20 years ago.

And to get those, you can kiss goodbye to any sense of responsible economics.

So no. Big tent = more spending and more liberalism, not less.

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Not the moderate left. The non elite left, i.e. the working class. I also don't concur that the only way to do that is by abandoning reasonable economics.

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We can easily afford the funding of social safety nets / welfare and whatnot.

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Bull*****

Total, utter, bull*****

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Did you not read the remainder of my statement? We could afford some social services AND have a balanced budget so long as we gut our spending. There's an unfathomable amount of waste that the establishment funnels back into their pockets. Cut the imigration down, the ilegals gotta go back, and stop the wasteful corporate welfare and military spending and we can afford some basic welfare.

OR we can continue the status quo and end up in gulags.

Cassius said:

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I enjoyed listening to him. He's thoughtful and colorful.

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Glad you liked him. I've been listening to him for a while. He uploads daily with very few exceptions.

Pookers said:

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mazag08 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Can we make this "new" GOP finally conservative, unlike it has ever really been? Please?

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Have you read what the posters above you are saying?

They want a big tent. Only way to get that is to grab the "moderate left", which are only moderate because the center has moved so far to the left. These people were considered fanatical left 20 years ago.

And to get those, you can kiss goodbye to any sense of responsible economics.

So no. Big tent = more spending and more liberalism, not less.

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Conservatism is not capable of defeating communism or it would have done so already. Only a populist / nationalist message stands a chance; There's a reason the elites hate it so much world wide.

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Inclined to agree. But note: Reagan style conservativism could and did defeat communism. Our problem is even his own VP, Bush-style conservativism, is NOT conservative in the way that can win. 2000--2006 - held all three branches. Almost nothing accomplished in the culture war front. They even almost went to amnesty on the border, and of course there was the indecisive and incoherently presented war after Pearl Harbor level provocation which called for more mobilization and gloves off.

So I wouldn't agree that conservativism has failed-- it just has not been anywhere in charge since Jan 1989. Trump has been the closest to it, but is a Teddy R populist. Frankly doubt even 1989-1991 would have gone the way it did late in a second term of Bush or first term of Clinton. We are lucky the collapse was already fully under momentum as Reagan left office. The stumbles in 1992-1994 could have given a breather to communism.

titan said:

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Pookers said:

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mazag08 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Can we make this "new" GOP finally conservative, unlike it has ever really been? Please?

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Have you read what the posters above you are saying?

They want a big tent. Only way to get that is to grab the "moderate left", which are only moderate because the center has moved so far to the left. These people were considered fanatical left 20 years ago.

And to get those, you can kiss goodbye to any sense of responsible economics.

So no. Big tent = more spending and more liberalism, not less.

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Conservatism is not capable of defeating communism or it would have done so already. Only a populist / nationalist message stands a chance; There's a reason the elites hate it so much world wide.

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Inclined to agree. But note: Reagan style conservativism could and did defeat communism. Our problem is even his own VP, Bush-style conservativism, is NOT conservative in the way that can win. 2000--2006 - held all three branches. Almost nothing accomplished in the culture war front. They even almost went to amnesty on the border, and of course there was the indecisive and incoherently presented war after Pearl Harbor level provocation which called for more mobilization and gloves off.

So I wouldn't agree that conservativism has failed-- it just has not been anywhere in charge since Jan 1989. Trump has been the closest to it, but is a Teddy R populist. Frankly doubt even 1989-1991 would have gone the way it did late in a second term of Bush or first term of Clinton. We are lucky the collapse was already fully under momentum as Reagan left office. The stumbles in 1992-1994 could have given a breather to communism.

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The best chance we had for defeating communism would had been allowing Patton to march up to Russia and defeat our true enemy during WWII. Instead, FDR had him "accidented" in a car wreck.

I'd argue that Reagan didn't actually defeat communism only sliced off one of the heads of the hydra. Unfortunately, they managed to infiltrate the states at the beginning of the cold war and slowly infect us.

MAGA style nationalism is the way forward. If you can organize a party whom doesn't actively hate our nation and what is was founded upon you stand a better chance at excising the commies. A bunch of hypocritical moralizing "conservatives" like cocaine mitch wont cut it. We can't allow the establishment to pick our candidates anymore or we end up with more neocons.

Having said all that, Civic nationalism will likely only be a bandaid on the wound that kills the US empire. Try as we might, tribalism always wins; US Exceptionalism is boomer nonsense with no basis in history.