How can Biden get a complete pass on the Hunter Biden debacle?

Our 'leaders' have abandoned America.

Trump is the only one choice in 2020.

America wake up.

Hunter Biden sex tape out. Imagine if it was a Trump kid. Bigger story than covid.

*that we know about

aginlakeway said:

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Hunter Biden sex tape out. Imagine if it was a Trump kid. Bigger story than covid.

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If it was Ivanka maybe. I would seek that out, don't really care about seeing sex tapes from the others.

unmade bed said:

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aginlakeway said:

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Hunter Biden sex tape out. Imagine if it was a Trump kid. Bigger story than covid.

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If it was Ivanka maybe. I would seek that out, don't really care about seeing sex tapes from the others.

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If it was Trump Jr, it would be top story. Media would say it compromises national security.

If Biden issuing a quid pro quo to the Ukranian government to stop investigating corruption in the company paying his son (who had zero oil and gas experience) in order to release $1 billion in U.S. aid isn't a disqualifying scandal, I can't see how anything else would be. And that story couldn't even be covered up, because Joe bragged about it himself.

aginlakeway said:

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Hunter Biden sex tape out. Imagine if it was a Trump kid. Bigger story than covid.

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All it shows is his *snicker* non-prominent member getting a blowie while he takes hits off a crack pipe.

Oh, so sounds like the the lady involved is not his wife

unmade bed said:

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Oh, so sounds like the the lady involved is not his wife

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He's married?

aginlakeway said:

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Hunter Biden sex tape out. Imagine if it was a Trump kid. Bigger story than covid.

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Especially if it was Ivanka

Loren Visser said:

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aginlakeway said:

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Hunter Biden sex tape out. Imagine if it was a Trump kid. Bigger story than covid.

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Especially if it was Ivanka

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Not even gonna lie about this. I have been googling this just to "make sure." No success so far

SECRant posted an article or tweet saying the victim is around 9 years of age. Says she is crying in the video. I don't know if that is true. I have not watched the video, nor do I care to. It seems like you can compromise a politician pretty easily if this is true. Swampy Joe will likely do everything in his power to protect his crack head son.

zephyr88 said:

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Don't need to imagine he's Donald Jr. I'm imagining what the DoJ would do about all this if we had a balanced justice system because the stuff written on the graphic, if true is all that's needed to indict him.

RightWingConspirator said:

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SECRant posted an article or tweet saying the victim is around 9 years of age. Says she is crying in the video. I don't know if that is true. I have not watched the video, nor do I care to. It seems like you can compromise a politician pretty easily if this is true. Swampy Joe will likely do everything in his power to protect his crack head son.

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Yikes. That video is out there? Isn't watching it a crime?

unmade bed said:

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Oh, so sounds like the the lady involved is not his wife

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There are reports that it is his 14 year old niece in the sex tape. But you can't tell. There's no great angle to be able to gauge how old the girl is. Mind you, I watched the video prior to knowing that it could possibly be a minor, but now that you know, tread lightly.

aginlakeway said:

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RightWingConspirator said:

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SECRant posted an article or tweet saying the victim is around 9 years of age. Says she is crying in the video. I don't know if that is true. I have not watched the video, nor do I care to. It seems like you can compromise a politician pretty easily if this is true. Swampy Joe will likely do everything in his power to protect his crack head son.

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Yikes. That video is out there? Isn't watching it a crime?

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From all the comments, yes, there is a video released. I know nothing of it other than what I've read about here and on the Rant.

TexAgs91 said:

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zephyr88 said:

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Don't need to imagine he's Donald Jr. I'm imagining what the DoJ would do about all this if we had a balanced justice system because the stuff written on the graphic, if true is all that's needed to indict him.

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I'm just waiting for the DOJ to come down on whoever released the video like a ton of bricks. It will probably then be declared unlawful to ever speak about it again.

Sterling82 said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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zephyr88 said:

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Don't need to imagine he's Donald Jr. I'm imagining what the DoJ would do about all this if we had a balanced justice system because the stuff written on the graphic, if true is all that's needed to indict him.

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I'm just waiting for the DOJ to come down on whoever released the video like a ton of bricks. It will probably then be declared unlawful to ever speak about it again.

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DOJ doesn't have much impact on a dissident Chinese faction (the apparent releasers of this tape). Even down and out, ex-CCP probably far more powerful than our red-tape entangled DOJ.

Shameful political propaganda.

agz win said:

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Shameful political propaganda.

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lol

The Chinese group is releasing Biden crime family disgusting evidence evil traitorous crimes 24/7 now. Enough evidence to run it 24/7 on the internet.

The group is political seeing opportunity and wants to bring down CCR. They are going all in with President Trump.

President Reagan brought down the wall by USSR. President Trump draining the swamp bought by CCR

I think you should take the time to read this tl;dr post from a two time enthusiast Trump voter.



I've read Profiles in Corruption, I'm more informed on the nuance of the Biden family's unethical behavior than the vast majority of people who have a macro-headline-level understanding of all things Biden.

That said I think Hunter Biden clearly has more than his fair share of issues both personally and legally and has been involved in a slew of eyebrow raising situations. BUT after doing a lot of digging into the Quid Pro Joe claim as it relates to Hunter and the money being withheld until Shokin (sp?) the prosecutor was fired, I don't think in reality, the story is *exactly* as it is told in conservative media circulation. It's not nothing either. It's somewhere in between.

As I first understood the situation, Shokin was an honorable investigator doing honest work to root out corruption, exactly like the Hunter situation appears to be. That doesn't hold up under even minimal scrutiny though. Shokin was widely disparaged both within his own country and across Europe for doing the exact opposite of what he was made out to be doing in conservative American media.

He reportedly refused to investigate members of Ukraine's elite, and some of his staff were even found with diamonds and cash presumably obtained through bribery. This sent up major red flags among leaders in the US and Europe, who pressured the Ukrainian President to replace him. He ultimately did fire him as we all know, with a lot of Ukrainian parliamentary support.

Only later did Shokin make the claim he was fired for not backing down in his pursuit of corruption at Burisma and it's oligarch leader. In reality, he was canned in large part because he was doing the exact opposite. He refused to investigate, and it sat there without any action until AFTER he was shown the door.

Was the hiring of Hunter an obvious attempt to gain favor within the administration? absolutely. Did Joe know that? I can't imagine a world where he could be oblivious to this fact. Was it inappropriate for the VP - the point man on Ukraine to have an inexperienced junky son on the board of a company taking cash for basically no reason? Absolutely.

This much should be clear to all: Hunter Biden received the position at least partially, if not exclusively, because his father was vice president. This isn't good, but it isn't necessarily illegal, either; family connections are a fact of life. Hell, Ivanka secured fast-tracked Chinese patents, at least partially, if not exclusively, because her father is the president. Comparing these situations is more than fair in my opinion.

Did Joe withhold money so his son wouldn't be investigated in relation to Burisma? I honestly don't think that's the case, despite how easy it is to connect those dots. Did Hunter violate the law in his other activities in Russia/Ukraine? He very well might have, I wouldn't put it past him.

Was any part of the situation appropriate or ethical? Absolutely not. Has Hunter, Joe, Joe's brothers all taken advantage of Joe's position in public office? Brazenly. I would never contend otherwise. Just this specific talking point isn't exactly as it appears to be at face value.

DirtyMikesBoys said:

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I think you should take the time to read this tl;dr post from a two time enthusiast Trump voter.



I've read Profiles in Corruption, I'm more informed on the nuance of the Biden family's unethical behavior than the vast majority of people who have a macro-headline-level understanding of all things Biden.

That said I think Hunter Biden clearly has more than his fair share of issues both personally and legally and has been involved in a slew of eyebrow raising situations. BUT after doing a lot of digging into the Quid Pro Joe claim as it relates to Hunter and the money being withheld until Shokin (sp?) the prosecutor was fired, I don't think in reality, the story is *exactly* as it is told in conservative media circulation. It's not nothing either. It's somewhere in between.

As I first understood the situation, Shokin was an honorable investigator doing honest work to root out corruption, exactly like the Hunter situation appears to be. That doesn't hold up under even minimal scrutiny though. Shokin was widely disparaged both within his own country and across Europe for doing the exact opposite of what he was made out to be doing in conservative American media.

He reportedly refused to investigate members of Ukraine's elite, and some of his staff were even found with diamonds and cash presumably obtained through bribery. This sent up major red flags among leaders in the US and Europe, who pressured the Ukrainian President to replace him. He ultimately did fire him as we all know, with a lot of Ukrainian parliamentary support.

Only later did Shokin make the claim he was fired for not backing down in his pursuit of corruption at Burisma and it's oligarch leader. In reality, he was canned in large part because he was doing the exact opposite. He refused to investigate, and it sat there without any action until AFTER he was shown the door.

Was the hiring of Hunter an obvious attempt to gain favor within the administration? absolutely. Did Joe know that? I can't imagine a world where he could be oblivious to this fact. Was it inappropriate for the VP - the point man on Ukraine to have an inexperienced junky son on the board of a company taking cash for basically no reason? Absolutely.

This much should be clear to all: Hunter Biden received the position at least partially, if not exclusively, because his father was vice president. This isn't good, but it isn't necessarily illegal, either; family connections are a fact of life. Hell, Ivanka secured fast-tracked Chinese patents, at least partially, if not exclusively, because her father is the president. Comparing these situations is more than fair in my opinion.

Did Joe withhold money so his son wouldn't be investigated in relation to Burisma? I honestly don't think that's the case, despite how easy it is to connect those dots. Did Hunter violate the law in his other activities in Russia/Ukraine? He very well might have, I wouldn't put it past him.

Was any part of the situation appropriate or ethical? Absolutely not. Has Hunter, Joe, Joe's brothers all taken advantage of Joe's position in public office? Brazenly. I would never contend otherwise. Just this specific talking point isn't exactly as it appears to be at face value.

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100% agree with you. I voted Trump this year. I hope Trump wins and if this nonsense helps him win, fine. It's not like Dems wouldn't be doing the same if they had this kind of "dirt." Politics is an ugly ugly business.

This seems to be obvious political propaganda (not that the material is false, but the way it is being presented and interpreted by conservative media/internets is definitely geared for a very specific purposes). I think the vague references to Russian disinformation are more related to the methods being used (as in Trump team has taken page directly out of Russian playbook) not that Russia is involved.

Like I said, Politics is tough business, so I won't lose much sleep over what's happening to Joe. Hell Trump was accused of being Russia asset. Accused of killing 200,000+ Americans. Is routinely called a racist who thinks white supremacists are fine people, etc etc.

DirtyMikesBoys said:

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I think you should take the time to read this tl;dr post from a two time enthusiast Trump voter.

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We have seen these arguments before.

Whether or not Shokin was entirely clean and above board is beside the main point. The fact of the matter is that Shokin's GPO raided Zlochevsky's house and seized some of his assets. On the day of the raid, Hunter Biden reaches out to Tony Blinken at the Department of State. Later on that week, Karen Tramontano also begins a process of attempting to change the Department's view of Burisma as a corrupt and negative influencer on both Ukrainian and Eastern European activities.

Now Joe Biden claims the reason he demanded Shokin's ouster is because of Shokin's corruption. He claimed three things in the process:

1. He never knew about Hunter Biden's business dealings.

2. He never met with Hunter Biden's business partners.

3. He only knew about Burisma Holdings through Shokin's lack of activity against them.

All of these have now been proven to be lies.

Joe Biden withheld Federal Government aid from the Ukraine to protect the man paying his son a handsome monthly wage. The fact he lied about his connections to his son and his company is strengthened by the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/14/nolte-smoking-gun-email-shows-joe-biden-did-meet-with-son-hunters-ukraine-partners/

If Shokin and the GPO had not moved against Zlochevsky, then Oldfinger would never have used United States' money to extort Shokin's ouster.

We're dealing with a crime syndicate here, one that relies on political power and access to Federal Government money. In this case, Joe Biden has violated the Hobbs Act on an outrageous level. The laptop, and the Biden associates who confirm what is on it, demonstrates with ever-increasing probability that he has broken this law in multiple ways across multiple countries.

I don't disagree with anything you posted. But we're splitting hairs. I am simply saying I don't think Joe's motive was to protect his son from some sort of corruption scheme. He may very well have had other more obvious motivations, like you noted, to keep the money flowing.

My point is Shokin wasn't fired for going after Burisma or any oligarch, because that never happened.

Yes, Biden's are a slimy bunch. It's not well publicized, but his siblings business dealings are nothing short of laughable. Frank Biden's involvement with charter school development in Florida stinks to high heaven. James Biden being awarded 1.5B construction project - on another continent in the middle of the desert - with zero experience? Asinine. We all know about Hunter's experience in the professional world. That's just the tip of the iceberg with this bunch. I'm not perfect and fall short every day, but morally, while they might not be financially, they're bankrupt.

Drugs, stealing speeches, his brother being found partially liable for a dwi death and avoiding the judgement for years, stolen DVD's from blockbuster, crack cocaine, the list goes on. They simply aren't good people.

Kool said:

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If Biden issuing a quid pro quo to the Ukranian government to stop investigating corruption in the company paying his son (who had zero oil and gas experience) in order to release $1 billion in U.S. aid isn't a disqualifying scandal, I can't see how anything else would be. And that story couldn't even be covered up, because Joe bragged about it himself.

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