How Militia Groups are America's Domestic Viet Cong

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Some lite reading for those that can read past 140 characters. Much more at the link.

Asymmetrical Warfare and 4GW: How Militia Groups are America's Domestic Viet Cong

"It is interesting to hear certain kinds of people insist that the citizen cannot fight the government. This would have been news to the men of Lexington and Concord, as well as the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan. The citizen most certainly can fight the government, and usually wins when he tries. Organized national armies are useful primarily for fighting against other organized national armies. When they try to fight against the people, they find themselves at a very serious disadvantage. If you will just look around at the state of the world today, you will see that the guerillero has the upper hand. Irregulars usually defeat regulars, providing they have the will. Such fighting is horrible to contemplate, but will continue to dominate brute strength."
---Col. Jeff Cooper

When one discusses the real reason for the Second Amendment the right of citizens to defend themselves against a potentially tyrannical government inevitably someone points out the stark difference in firepower between a guerilla uprising in the United States and the United States government itself.

This is not a trivial observation. The U.S. government spends more on the military than the governments of China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, India, France, United Kingdom, and Japan combined. Plus, the potential of a tyrannical government is arguably upon us with the federal government spying on its own citizens, militarizing local police departments with equipment and tactics from the War on Terror, and repeatedly searching Americans, which desensitizes them to this invasive process.

There is much historical precedent, however, for guerilla uprisings defeating more powerful enemies. For instance, the Cold War saw both superpowers brought to their knees by rural farmers for the Soviets, their adventure in Afghanistan against the Mujahideen, and for the United States, the Vietnam War against the Viet Cong.

In both cases, nuclear weapons could have been used against the guerilla uprising, but were not. Even assuming the use of nuclear weapons from the position of total desperation, it's hard to imagine they would have made much of a difference in the final outcome of either conflict. Unlike the invading armies, the local resistance enjoyed both broad-based support as well as knowledge of the local terrain.

Now imagine such a scenario in the United States. You wouldn't be the first person to do so. From Red Dawn to James Wesley, Rawles' Patriots series, there is a relatively long-standing tradition of American survival literature about the hoi polloi resisting the tyranny of big government, either before or after a collapse.

For the purposes of this article, consider what a domestic American terrorist or freedom fighter (after all, the label is in the eye of the beholder) organization based on the militia movement would look like in open revolt against the United States government. In the spirit of levity, we'll call them the "Hillbilly Viet Cong." They would most likely find their largest numbers in Appalachia, but don't discount their power in the American Redoubt, or the more sparsely populated areas of the American Southwest, including rural Texas.

Here we have tens of thousands of Americans armed to the teeth with combat experience, deep family ties to both the police and the military, extensive knowledge of the local geography, and, in many cases, survivalist training. Even where they are not trained, militant and active, they enjoy broad support among those who own a lot of guns and grow a lot of food.

On the other side, you have the unwieldy Baby Huey of the rump U.S. government's military, with some snarky BuzzFeed editorials serving as propaganda.

Could the Hillbilly Viet Cong take down the USG? Maybe, maybe not. But it's difficult to imagine that the USG could take them down.

Indeed, even with a number of nasty little toys on the side of the federal government, we live in an age of a technologically levelled playing field. This is true even when it comes to instruments of warfare. While the USG has nuclear weapons, it's worth remembering that a pound of C4 strapped to a cheap and readily available commercial-grade drone is going to break a lot of dishes.

This sort of guerilla insurgency has a name: It's called fourth-generational warfare (4GW), and you might be surprised to learn that you already live in this world.




Eliminatus
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History is rife with partisan warfare. It's ingrained even more so than state sponsored warfare into our DNA. Some failed miserably and are stamped out to little footnotes in obscure history books. Some have been spectacularly successful and we have nations today born of that partisan struggle.

I don't think we are on the brink per se, but if it does come to that, the fighting would be heinous. That article makes a good point. You can kill a man with an airstrike from an advanced fighter. That same man can just as easily die from a bullet or bomb in his living room. Be easier to do as well. Humans are squishy things that does not take a lot for them to stop working.

I don't think it will happen but it is fun to wargame it. I don't think people realize how fragile our way of life is. If anything good comes out of this pandemic thing, I hope it is this realization. And that is just with toilet paper. Imagine that but for food and water.
Teslag
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Liberals love to say that the US military could easily stomp out an insurrection while failing to grasp that a significant number of members of the milItaly come from families that would be fighting against them.

Reservoir Dog
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Militias may indeed be the best hope in saving this country... but I don't believe the conflict would be militia and military.

I believe it would be militia versus Antifa, BLM, socialist politicians and the propagandist "press"

However, this is probably just my bias against these groups for the immeasurable harm they are inflicting against this great country.
Bird Poo
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What other communist insurrections around the world have failed? Would be interesting to look into the reasons for that failure and perhaps learn from it.
stetson
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I think we have just witnessed the argument for militias. When mayors and governors order the police and National Guard to stand down while marxists riot, loot and the destroy private property, then the citizens must act to protect themselves and their communities.
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Sid Farkas
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a more accurate description is 'Khmer Rouge'...they wont be happy until we have killing fields
RikkiTikkaTagem
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As long as governments play by an ethical set of rules, a hillbilly Vietcong would be fine and could even win as we've seen throughout the 20th and 21st century.

It's hard to snuff out a resistance. It's demoralizing for the attacking enemy because there's no territory gained, no cities taken over, no armies defeated, no knowledge as to what you're accomplishing if anything. You kill them, they kill you and to what end? They want it more badly than you do, and it's hard to keep up moral in those conditions.

Little Rock Ag
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Bolivia comes to mind initially.
HollywoodBQ
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Leather Tuscadero said:

Liberals love to say that the US military could easily stomp out an insurrection while failing to grasp that a significant number of members of the milItaly come from families that would be fighting against them.
Yep.

"Brother will kill brother, spilling blood across the land,
Killing for religion, something I don't understand" -- Holy Wars - Megadeth 1990

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Leather Tuscadero said:

Liberals love to say that the US military could easily stomp out an insurrection while failing to grasp that a significant number of members of the milItaly come from families that would be fighting against them.


There would almost be no military for the desertion rate would be enormous especially since most of the forts that have the bulk of our military are located in the South.
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Wasn't that the purpose of Jade Helm?
Ulysses90
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I spent 27 years on active duty. I have never had a moment's concern that the military would follow any order to disarm or fire on citizens that had not fired upon them. They would not. Furthermore, the military knows that they are never to be placed between citizens and the Constitution. The military has a lot of stupid annual "awareness" classes to remind them of things they already know. Nobody has ever said, "You know what we need to do? Have annual refresher training on Posse Commitatus." There are a very few really bad actors that know right from wrong but do wrong anyway (e.g. allowing DoJ to use an IFV to smoke out some cultists) but they are evil, not confused.
"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on the objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." -James Madison
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It's an interesting mental game. In the event there was an actual organized revolt, that would bring the military into it. I'd say it's 50/50 at best, but probably more 70/30 staying with the National government. Why? Because there would be literally zero politicians anywhere supporting this kind of movement. It would be destroyed and decried by both sides. In that event, a rebel force would be decimated by drone strikes. They can find anyone, anywhere (outside of caves I guess) and destroy most of them or their supplies without putting a single life in danger. And they would have national support because of what I said above.

All that said, there will be no civil war. This is an obvious boil the frog scenario. We already have nearly half the country calling for centralized medicine. The green new deal has a national platform if Biden wins. Both sides can do whatever they want by EO. Republicans don't resist in any legitimate way. And we are so blessed in this country that we've become comfortable. I do not believe that even 15% of conservative leanings people in this country will meet a significant enough level of oppression in a short enough time span to lead to physical confrontation.

It's a long slow march with no leader on the conservative side to actually call this for what it is. We've abandoned the principles in the constitution and I don't know what we can possibly do about it. Sorry to be Debbie downer. Just my two cents. If there is a civil war, I'll eat my crow.
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Drones can be hacked. If 4chan has taught us anything it is the power of autists to disrupt tech.

you honestly think that after the military loses 30-60% of its fighting force because most recruits are from the south and are loyal to the constitution over politicians that the federal government survives?

this isn't like the first civil war where the federal government will have a hundred thousand desperate immigrants to pad their numbers with.

most of the people who are nonmilitary that would side with the federal government are literal soy biys- useless in a war and the rebels would be ex military personnel, current military personnel who abandon the federal govt to change sides, as well as people with casual, recreational firearms experience at the range.

toss in the fact that the rebels would control all the food supply and could choke off food to the urban areas quickly and for months and this thing is over in a year

as has already been stated if conflict happens it will be between antifa/BLM and armed citizens. the government will stay out of it just like they did in minneapolis and portland.

if you don't think this was a dry run think again.
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Gator92
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I could see rural Sheriffs teaming w/ militias. I could also see militias over running national guard armories without firing a shot.

Plausible
Loren Visser
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Wolverines!
TxTarpon
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Thank you Art A$$cevdo

Quote:

"Folks, let me tell you what keeps me up at night, it's these guys. It's these homegrown extremists that are lone wolves, that are mad at the world, that are angry. And that's why it's important for us as Americans to know our neighbors, know our families. Tell somebody. If you know somebody that's acting with a lot of hatred towards a particular group especially if you know somebody who's a gun enthusiast or they're armed with this type of fire arms and they're showing any type of propensity for hatred, doesn't mean that we're going to go and take them to jail, but we might want to vet these people. He may well be alive today had we had the opportunity to do that."--Art A$$cevedo 2014
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