In reply to CanyonAg77

CanyonAg77 said:

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Mr.Infectious said:

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deddog said:

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Why did her gun need more than 6 rounds?
Why didn't she use a taser? <libs>

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why didn't she shoot the knife out of his hand?

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Why did she shoot to kill, she should shoot to wound.

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Joe Biden said Monday that police -- if facing a threat from a person with "a knife or something" -- should be trained to "shoot 'em in the leg instead of the heart," amid five straight days of protest following the death of George Floyd.

"Instead of standing there and teaching a cop when there's an unarmed person coming at 'em with a knife or something, shoot 'em in the leg instead of in the heart," Biden said in an address to black community leaders in Wilmington, Del.

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Holy cow.....gun jammed on her too. Insane. This is also why i recommend carrying a 45 ACP as this 9mm didnt phase this dude until she emptied the clip.



BRAVO

This definitely has me thinking I need to upgrade from a 9mm.

In reply to Mr.Bond

Mr.Bond said:

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Holy cow.....gun jammed on her too. Insane. This is also why i recommend carrying a 45 ACP as this 9mm didnt phase this dude until she emptied the clip.



BRAVO

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45 ACP wouldn't have phased him either, especially on the misses.

9mm defense ammo is just as good as 45 defense ammo when you hit parts that matter and just as bad when you hit parts that don't.

In reply to powerbelly

powerbelly said:

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Mr.Bond said:

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Holy cow.....gun jammed on her too. Insane. This is also why i recommend carrying a 45 ACP as this 9mm didnt phase this dude until she emptied the clip.



BRAVO

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45 ACP wouldn't have phased him either, especially on the misses.

9mm defense ammo is just as good as 45 defense ammo when you hit parts that matter and just as bad when you hit parts that don't.

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I would agree that the type of ammunition would make a difference. But I don't know if there's a debate on comparing the stopping power between the two calibers

Watching the Ring video, the perp was walking like a zombie in a cheap horror movie! Also, I remember in Engineer Officer's Basic, at Fort Belvoir, one instructor related why the army went to the .45. He said during the Spanish-American War, I believe, the natives would drug up and wrap their bodies in rope. The issued weapons would not knock them down. The army switched to the .45. No idea if true.

Of course, he also said if you had to use your side arm, you would be just as well throwing it at them because they were so inaccurate!

Looks like he just grabbed stuff out of a tool box.
Right hand looks like either a knife, or even a pointed brick trowel plus flathead screwdriver.
Left hand looks to be a larger flathead screwdriver.

Glad she took care of this nut.

In reply to Mr.Bond

Mr.Bond said:

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powerbelly said:

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Mr.Bond said:

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Holy cow.....gun jammed on her too. Insane. This is also why i recommend carrying a 45 ACP as this 9mm didnt phase this dude until she emptied the clip.



BRAVO

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45 ACP wouldn't have phased him either, especially on the misses.

9mm defense ammo is just as good as 45 defense ammo when you hit parts that matter and just as bad when you hit parts that don't.

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I would agree that the type of ammunition would make a difference. But I don't know if there's a debate on comparing the stopping power between the two calibers

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There isn't a debate. It is negligible. Stopping power only exists in people's minds.

You need a caliber large enough (9mm, 10mm, 45) that when you hit the right parts of a body incapacitate a person. If you shoot someone with a 454 casull but miss important parts it doesn't stop them in their tracks.

She also fired 11 shots before the threat was ended. Most CC options for 45 ACP hold less than that.

The FBI started issuing 9mm handguns because their studies indicated it was the best compromise.

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FBI 9MM Justification
FBI Training Division: FBI Academy, Quantico, VA
Executive Summary of Justification for Law Enforcement Partners
Caliber debates have existed in law enforcement for decades
Most of what is "common knowledge" with ammunition and its effects on the human target are rooted in myth and folklore
Projectiles are what ultimately wound our adversaries and the projectile needs to be the basis for the discussion on what "caliber" is best
In all the major law enforcement calibers there exist projectiles which have a high likelihood of failing LEO's in a shooting incident and there are projectiles which have a high incident likelihood of succeeding for LEOs in a shooting incident
Handgun stopping power is simply a myth
The single most important factor in effectively wounding a human target is to have penetration to a scientifically valid depth (FBI uses 12" 18")
LEOs miss between 70 80 percent of the shots fired during a shooting incident
Contemporary projectiles (since 2007) have dramatically increased the terminal effectiveness of many premium line law enforcement projectiles (emphasis on the 9mm Luger offerings)
9mm Luger now offers select projectiles which are, under identical testing conditions, I outperforming most of the premium line .40 S&W and .45 Auto projectiles tested by the FBI
9mm Luger offers higher magazine capacities, less recoil, lower cost (both in ammunition and wear on the weapons) and higher functional reliability rates (in FBI weapons)
The majority of FBI shooters are both FASTER in shot strings fired and more ACCURATE with shooting a 9mm Luger vs shooting a .40 S&W (similar sized weapons)
There is little to no noticeable difference in the wound tracks between premium line law Auto enforcement projectiles from 9mm Luger through the .45 Auto
Given contemporary bullet construction, LEO's can field (with proper bullet selection) 9mm Lugers with all of the terminal performance potential of any other law enforcement pistol caliber with none of the disadvantages present with the "larger" calibers

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https://sofrep.com/gear/the-reasons-why-fbi-went-to-back-to-9mm/

Does not compute, I thought police only killed blacks.

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e said during the Spanish-American War, I believe, the natives would drug up and wrap their bodies in rope. The issued weapons would not knock them down. The army switched to the .45. No idea if true.

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The Moro insurrection in the Philippines. Muslim extremists would get high and not be stopped by the officer's 38s.

https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/2019/01/04/john-brownings-masterpiece-the-m1911/#:~:text=U.S.%20troops%20sent%20to%20the,incapacitate%20Moro%20warriors%20in%20combat.&text=The%201911%20proved%20a%20powerful,of%20the%20American%20Expeditionary%20Forces.

In reply to CanyonAg77 Thanks. That was a long time ago. I never owned/carried a handgun, except in Vietnam, until I retired and started traveling in an RV. People have become meaner as I get older! Now, me and my 3 girls have handguns for personal protection.

In reply to B-1 83

B-1 83 said:

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"She should have shot him on the knee."

- Joe Biden

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The fact that the guy has a legit shot at the WH is just downright sad.

I would not be surprised to see Dems pass laws that would make it easier to convict cops of a perp kill if they didn't try the knee first.

They should invite Biden to go through scenarios that Houston's beloved son Quanell X went through.

In reply to ntxVol I hate to get into a 9 vs 45 debate - there's no winner and my guess is this deputy would perform exceptionally well regardless of the caliber.


But I will pose one question: If I challenged you to a duel at 20 paces and with one round in the chamber - which would you choose, 9mm or .45cal?

In reply to texrover91 The 50 cal of course.

In reply to texrover91 That's a seriously flawed hypothetical.

Fighting off a knife with her off hand.....

In reply to ntxVol Ok which one?

In reply to aggiez03

aggiez03 said:

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Her biggest mistake was letting him get too close and waiting for the lunge. She should have barricaded behind her driver's door and put him down when he hit the front of the vehicle.

Luckily for her, he apparently missed her with his knife swipe when she was back pedaling and her gun jammed.

If she stumbles or if he catches her with that knife, she is probably dead today.

But with scrutiny on cops today, she probably knew she had to wait until he lunged or her life would be ruined and maybe even go to jail.

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Exactly what I was thinking. His intent to do harm to her was apparent long before she started firing.

In reply to texrover91

texrover91 said:

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Ok which one?

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Won't matter if I get the first shot but everyone knows a duel requires a matched pair of pistols.

In reply to Cassius

Cassius said:

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B-1 83 said:

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"She should have shot him on the knee."

- Joe Biden

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The fact that the guy has a legit shot at the WH is just downright sad.

I would not be surprised to see Dems pass laws that would make it easier to convict cops of a perp kill if they didn't try the knee first.

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They will suggest the officer counsel, console, then retreat. Let the bad guys go, it's not really their fault they are criminals.

"+P" ammunition has solved a lot of problems and essentially made the 40 cal obsolete. 10mm in +P even better.

Still love 45 ACP, especially with +P ammo. But I am back on the 9mm train (that I was off for two decades) with the vast improvement in penetrating ammunition.

In reply to ntxVol

Gold Star ntxVol said:

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texrover91 said:

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Ok which one?

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Won't matter if I get the first shot but everyone knows a duel requires a matched pair of pistols.

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