Christian University refuses admission to student because he is gay

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Aggie4242
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2:41p, 7/10/20

Seems like a strange reason to not let a student return. Thoughts?

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A man who dropped out of a Christian institution 15 years ago will not be allowed to return after officials found out he was gay, saying he did not "adhere to biblical truths."

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2018/09/13/clarks-summit-university-refuses-let-gay-student-return
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Yukon Cornelius
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2:44p, 7/10/20
Freedom of religion.
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In reply to Yukon Cornelius • 2:45p, 7/10/20
Yukon Cornelius said:
Freedom of religion.
So are you saying that Religious institutions shouldn't be forced to accept those they morally disagree with?
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In reply to Aggie4242 • 2:45p, 7/10/20
K. They have admission standards. Why is this a big deal?
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In reply to AggieMac06 • 2:46p, 7/10/20
CalebMcCreary06 said:
K. They have admission standards. Why is this a big deal?
So should they be able to not admit somebody because it goes against what they deem moral?
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2:46p, 7/10/20
He's trying to equivocate because of what happened at Marquette. Don't let him get away with it.
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Yukon Cornelius
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In reply to Aggie4242 • 2:47p, 7/10/20
Correct. According to scripture homosexuality is a sin. It also says if someone is unwilling to repent of sin they are to be removed from the body of believers. They are adhering to scripture which is their right to practice.
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2:47p, 7/10/20
I don't agree with this decision.

So, he's gay. And? Maybe a Christian education will change that?

"The Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution was never designed to restrain the people. It was designed to restrain the government."
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In reply to Aggie4242 • 2:48p, 7/10/20
Aggie4242 said:
Yukon Cornelius said:
Freedom of religion.
So are you saying that Religious institutions shouldn't be forced to accept those they morally disagree with?
yes

as long as they don't take public funds
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In reply to BigRobSA • 2:49p, 7/10/20
Thats not the process in scripture to deal with sin within the body of believers.
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In reply to Little Rock Ag • 2:49p, 7/10/20
Little Rock Ag said:
He's trying to equivocate because of what happened at Marquette. Don't let him get away with it.
Actually, BigRob asked me to try an experiment. So I did. It isn't equivocation, and it is a pretty big difference of responses.
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In reply to Pelayo • 2:50p, 7/10/20
Yes this is a caveat I agree with as well.
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In reply to Yukon Cornelius • 2:50p, 7/10/20
Yukon Cornelius said:
Thats not the process in scripture to deal with sin within the body of believers.
Well, I hope they don't admit smokers or drinkers, or people that masturbate, or fornicators, or....

otherwise, they're hypocrites.
"The Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution was never designed to restrain the people. It was designed to restrain the government."
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In reply to BigRobSA • 2:51p, 7/10/20
BigRobSA said:
I don't agree with this decision.

So, he's gay. And? Maybe a Christian education will change that?

I appreciate your response and consistency.

I don't have any issue with the school not allowing him to return. If a private, religious institution doesn't think the student agrees with their moral beliefs, they should not be required to accept him back into their school.
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2:51p, 7/10/20
Strange. I thought all male students at TCU were gay.
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2:52p, 7/10/20
Yes, I know it's not TCU being referenced.

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2:53p, 7/10/20
The most important part of the article is at the end. A neighboring college has offered him acceptance. Freedom is a great thing.
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In reply to BigRobSA • 2:53p, 7/10/20
The certainly can and will expel them if caught.
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In reply to Aggie4242 • 2:54p, 7/10/20
Aggie4242 said:
BigRobSA said:
I don't agree with this decision.

So, he's gay. And? Maybe a Christian education will change that?

I appreciate your response and consistency.

I don't have any issue with the school not allowing him to return. If a private, religious institution doesn't think the student agrees with their moral beliefs, they should not be required to accept him back into their school.
I don't think they should be forced, like by law, but by common Christian decency to love the sinner but hate the sin.

I don't want govt involved in the least.

"The Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution was never designed to restrain the people. It was designed to restrain the government."
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In reply to BigRobSA • 2:55p, 7/10/20
BigRobSA said:
I don't agree with this decision.

So, he's gay. And? Maybe a Christian education will change that?



Unfortunately that's not how it works in the real world. These creeps infiltrate churches and Christian universities with the intent of changing those institutions to match their sick sensibilities. They are often successful.
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In reply to Change Detection • 2:55p, 7/10/20
Change Detection said:
The certainly can and will expel them if caught.
LOL

Obviously never knew anyone at a Catholic Univ.

A&M has their "Corp Whoor"....they have "all female students".
"The Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution was never designed to restrain the people. It was designed to restrain the government."
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2:55p, 7/10/20
Is voting Democrat part of the admission criteria for Marquette?

Are Biblical Principles part of the admission criteria Clarks Summit?

The difference is that one is arbitrarily making decisions based on feels, rather than documented criteria.

But carry on with the false equivalency.
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2:55p, 7/10/20
Private religious schools have every right to require students to live by a code of conduct.

If the student can't abide by that, or has already demonstrated he or she does not, then that person should be expelled or denied admission.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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In reply to Buck Turgidson • 2:56p, 7/10/20
Buck Turgidson said:
BigRobSA said:
I don't agree with this decision.

So, he's gay. And? Maybe a Christian education will change that?



Unfortunately that's not how it works in the real world. These creeps infiltrate churches and Christian universities with the intent of changing those institutions to match their sick sensibilities. They are often successful.
Not every gay person is an SJW, looking to change policy. Some are **gasp** looking to better their position in life.
"The Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution was never designed to restrain the people. It was designed to restrain the government."
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In reply to BigRobSA • 2:56p, 7/10/20
BigRobSA said:
Yukon Cornelius said:
Thats not the process in scripture to deal with sin within the body of believers.
Well, I hope they don't admit smokers or drinkers, or people that masturbate, or fornicators, or....

otherwise, they're hypocrites.
The caveat would be whether is `activist' about it. If it is entirely private, you are right.
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In reply to BigRobSA • 2:57p, 7/10/20
BigRobSA said:
Yukon Cornelius said:
Thats not the process in scripture to deal with sin within the body of believers.
Well, I hope they don't admit smokers or drinkers, or people that masturbate, or fornicators, or....

otherwise, they're hypocrites.

Smoking & drinking aren't necessarily sins per the Bible. Jesus first miracle was turning water into wine. Masturbation is pretty hard to uncover. Agree with the fornication stipulation.
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In reply to BigRobSA • 2:57p, 7/10/20
BigRobSA said:
Aggie4242 said:
BigRobSA said:
I don't agree with this decision.

So, he's gay. And? Maybe a Christian education will change that?

I appreciate your response and consistency.

I don't have any issue with the school not allowing him to return. If a private, religious institution doesn't think the student agrees with their moral beliefs, they should not be required to accept him back into their school.
I don't think they should be forced, like by law, but by common Christian decency to love the sinner but hate the sin.

I don't want govt involved in the least.

As a Christian, on a personal level I agree with you. But I respect a private university's right to exclude admission to anyone they want to.
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In reply to agent-maroon • 2:58p, 7/10/20
agent-maroon said:
BigRobSA said:
Yukon Cornelius said:
Thats not the process in scripture to deal with sin within the body of believers.
Well, I hope they don't admit smokers or drinkers, or people that masturbate, or fornicators, or....

otherwise, they're hypocrites.

Smoking & drinking aren't necessarily sins per the Bible. Jesus first miracle was turning water into wine. Masturbation is pretty hard to uncover. Agree with the fornication stipulation.
While I agree, as a craptastic Christian, many would argue to the negative. "Treat your body like a Temple".
"The Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution was never designed to restrain the people. It was designed to restrain the government."
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In reply to Buck Turgidson • 2:58p, 7/10/20
Buck Turgidson said:
BigRobSA said:
I don't agree with this decision.

So, he's gay. And? Maybe a Christian education will change that?



Unfortunately that's not how it works in the real world. These creeps infiltrate churches and Christian universities with the intent of changing those institutions to match their sick sensibilities. They are often successful.
What about the politically conservative gay people I know?

Why can't they go?
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In reply to dermdoc • 2:59p, 7/10/20
dermdoc said:
BigRobSA said:
Aggie4242 said:
BigRobSA said:
I don't agree with this decision.

So, he's gay. And? Maybe a Christian education will change that?

I appreciate your response and consistency.

I don't have any issue with the school not allowing him to return. If a private, religious institution doesn't think the student agrees with their moral beliefs, they should not be required to accept him back into their school.
I don't think they should be forced, like by law, but by common Christian decency to love the sinner but hate the sin.

I don't want govt involved in the least.

As a Christian, on a personal level I agree with you. But I respect a private university's right to exclude admission to anyone they want to.
I agree, and wouldn't want them forced by anything than their own decision.

I can still disagree with said decision.
"The Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution was never designed to restrain the people. It was designed to restrain the government."
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In reply to BigRobSA • 2:59p, 7/10/20
Rob believes in conversion therapy!




































Just messing with ya
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In reply to BigRobSA • 3:00p, 7/10/20
And if thats what the university's conclusion on scripture was and deemed a non repentant smoker should be expelled I would defend their right to do so every day because its the freedom of religion. It must be protected at all costs.
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3:00p, 7/10/20
The Bible never condemns drinking alcohol.

It condemns drunkenness.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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In reply to BigRobSA • 3:01p, 7/10/20
BigRobSA said:
Buck Turgidson said:
BigRobSA said:
I don't agree with this decision.

So, he's gay. And? Maybe a Christian education will change that?



Unfortunately that's not how it works in the real world. These creeps infiltrate churches and Christian universities with the intent of changing those institutions to match their sick sensibilities. They are often successful.
Not every gay person is an SJW, looking to change policy. Some are **gasp** looking to better their position in life.
I get where you're coming from, and as a Catholic i'm probably more sensitive to it than most, but some are **gasp** DEFINITELY there to take it all down. Don't judge them all, but it's ok not to condone an activity on campus or in your church
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In reply to Aggie4242 • 3:02p, 7/10/20
Aggie4242 said:
Yukon Cornelius said:
Freedom of religion.
So are you saying that Religious institutions shouldn't be forced to accept those they morally disagree with?
Does a muslim religious institution have to accept a christian student?
No, of course not.

This is a religious institution and they have religious requirements.
If those aren't met, they can reject a student.

They aren't rejecting a student because of their politics or their race, its a defined set of requirements.
Does Marquette require all their students to support Democrats?
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