Episcopal Church Bishop says that homosexuality is NOT a sin

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Guadaloop474
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Homosexuality no sin, US Bishop says

From: Reuters From correspondents in Washington

June 20, 2006

NEWLY elected leader of the US Episcopal Church, Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori, said today she believed homosexuality was no sin and homosexuals were created by God to love people of the same gender.

Ms Jefferts Schori, bishop of the Diocese of Nevada, was elected yesterday as the first woman leader of the 2.3 million-member US branch of the worldwide Anglican Communion. She will formally take office later this year.
Interviewed on CNN, Bishop Jefferts Schori was asked if it was a sin to be homosexual.

"I don't believe so. I believe that God creates us with different gifts. Each one of us comes into this world with a different collection of things that challenge us and things that give us joy and allow us to bless the world around us," she said.

"Some people come into this world with affections ordered toward other people of the same gender and some people come into this world with affections directed at people of the other gender."

Bishop Jefferts Schori's election seemed certain to exacerbate splits within an Episcopal church that is already deeply divided over homosexuality with several dioceses and parishes threatening to break away.


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It could also widen divisions with other Anglican communities, including the Church of England, which do not allow women bishops. In the worldwide Anglican church, women are bishops only in Canada, the US and New Zealand.

Three years ago when the church last met in convention, a majority of US bishops backed the consecration of Gene Robinson of New Hampshire, the first openly gay bishop in more than 450 years of Anglican history. The Robinson issue has been particularly criticised in Africa, where the church has a growing membership and where homosexuality is often taboo.

Bishop Jefferts Schori, who was raised a Roman Catholic and graduated in marine biology with a doctorate specialisation in squids and oysters, supported the consecration of Gene Robinson of New Hampshire, the first openly gay bishop in more than 450 years of Anglican history.

The 52-year-old bishop is married to Richard Schori, a retired theoretical mathematician. They have one daughter, Katharine Johanna, 24, a second lieutenant in the US Air Force and a pilot, like her mother.

Asked how she reconciled her position on homosexuality with specific passages in the Bible declaring sexual relations between men an abomination, Bishop Jefferts Schori said the Bible was written in a very different historical context by people asking different questions.

"The Bible has a great deal to teach us about how to live as human beings. The Bible does not have so much to teach us about what sorts of food to eat, what sorts of clothes to wear -- there are rules in the Bible about those that we don't observe today," she said.

"The Bible tells us about how to treat other human beings, and that's certainly the great message of Jesus - to include the unincluded."

Frankenstein
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yes, the post-modernists have cemented control.

Bishop Iker is right to petition for pastoral oversight from the ABC instead of ECUSA. ECUSA is CLEARLY a heretical organization now.

Frankenstein
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my Bishop had the following to say on Schism in 2003. I take some optimism from this, in that it would be best for right-minded dioceses to leave ECUSA en masse.

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SCHISM
Reflections by The Rt. Rev. James M. Stanton (Aug 9, 2003)

In the days before us, you will hear a lot about ÒschismÓ in the Church and how dreadful it would be. But I believe schism has already been committed. It is not the so-called conservatives who are supposed to be threatening to Òleave the ChurchÓ who have committed schism, however. It is the 2003 General Convention of the Episcopal Church which has done so.

Schism is an ugly word. It comes from Greek: schisma. It means tearing something apart, like rending a garment. In ecclesiastical terms, it refers to tearing the Church apart.

St. Augustine drew a distinction between heresy and schism in the following way: ÒFor both heretics and schismatics style their congregations churches. But heretics, in holding false opinions regarding God, do injury to the faith itself; while schismatics, on the other hand, in wicked separations break off from brotherly charity, although they may believe just what we believe.Ó (On Faith and the Creed, Chapter 10) [1]

The Church has known schism all too often over her life. The most prominent New Testament example demonstrates precisely AugustineÕs notion of Òbreaking off from brotherly charityÓ: one side or faction thinks it knows better than the rest and goes its own way.

St. Paul writes to his congregation at Corinth: ÒI appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions (schismata) among you and that you may be knit together in mind and thought.Ó (1 Cor 1.10) He proclaims, ÒGod, who has called you into fellowship (koinonia - communion) with his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, is faithful.Ó (v. 9) Despite this, we know that the Church in Corinth came very close to separating themselves from their founding apostle. And we know the reason why. A certain faction thought they possessed a special knowledge, a superior spirituality, and that they had outgrown Paul and his apostolic teaching. (1 Cor 3) This faction looked down not only at Paul, but their fellow Christians. And their attitude affected the unity of the Church at Corinth, and Paul frankly criticized them for it.

This example of schism amply illustrates AugustineÕs point. The breakdown in the unity of the Church came when one segment of it thought it knew better than the rest and ran ahead with its own agenda, violating Òbrotherly charity.Ó

I believe the General Convention of the Episcopal Church at Minneapolis is guilty of schism. The majority of diocesan deputations and diocesan bishops took actions which their brothers and sisters throughout the Anglican Communion pleaded with them not to take, and which previous Conventions had said they should not take on their own. They did this while claiming that the Episcopal Church still held the same faith Ð that Òwe all have more in common than what divides usÓ Ð with the rest of the Communion. In doing so, the Convention demonstrated exactly what Augustine was talking about.

Let me give you a few examples that provide the warrant for claiming the Episcopal ChurchÕs General Convention is responsible for schism.

In 1991, the General Convention admitted in a resolution that there was Òno strong consensus in this Church on the human sexuality issues.Ó It went on to make the following mandate: ÒResolved, That the Office of the Presiding Bishop now be directed to propose to all provinces of the Anglican Communion and all churches with whom we are in ecumenical dialogue that a broad process of consultation be initiated on an official pan-Anglican and ecumenical level as a bold step forward in the consideration of these potentially divisive issues which should not be resolved by the Episcopal Church on its own.Ó (1991, Resolution B020) That mandate was never fulfilled. Professor J. Robert Wright of the General Seminary in New York drew attention to this resolution just prior to the Convention of 2003 noting that it was still operative. But despite the fact that the Convention had said that the Episcopal Church should not go forward Òon its own,Ó the Convention of 2003 did precisely that.

The Convention of 1991 also directed the House of Bishops to prepare a pastoral teaching on the subject of human sexuality. The House worked to produce such a teaching, but at the Convention of 1994 finally issued a ÒStudy Document,Ó[3] because there was no consensus on what would constitute a Òteaching.Ó Although handed to the Church as a whole in the hopes of promoting more dialogue, the Study Document went largely ignored. Contained in its ÒGuidelines While We Continue in DialogueÓ are these words: ÒCommunity life in our Anglican Communion includes the need to respect both the unity and the diversity of our communion. Respect means that the Episcopal Church will maintain recognizable, faithful Anglican norms in our teaching regarding sexuality.Ó (p. 92) But again, the General Convention of 2003 went its own way.

The Lambeth Conference of 1998 passed by a wide margin the now famous Resolution I.10 dealing with matters of human sexuality. Less well known is the actual report on which the Resolution is based, and which it commends. That report states, ÒThe challenge to our Church is to maintain its unity while we seek, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, to discern the way of Christ for the world today with respect to human sexuality. To do so will require sacrifice, trust, and charity towards one another.Ó[4] But in 2003, there was no Òsacrifice, trust and charityÓ: the General Convention went its own way.

Lambeth called for an international ÒconversationÓ among Anglican leaders, under the chairmanship of Presiding Bishop Griswold (and including Rowan Williams, then Archbishop of Wales), to continue to explore issues of human sexuality. This body issued its report in June 2002. It said that it had not reached firm conclusions, and asserted, ÒRecognizing our Anglican Communion as a gift, we do not want to see it fragmented. For it to be further divided by the issue of homosexual behavior wouId be the ultimate sexualization of the Church, making sexuality more powerful, or more claiming of our attention, than God.Ó But the General Convention of 2003 went its own way.

Despite these actions and reports, two dioceses in the U. S. (Delaware and Kansas) and one in Canada (New Westminster) pressed the limits of communion by approving same-sex blessings. In October 2002, the Archbishop of Canterbury, George Carey gave his final address to the Anglican Consultative Council meeting in Hong Kong. In his address, he warned that controversy over human sexuality was Òsteadily driving us towards serious fragmentation and the real possibility of two - or more likely more - distinct Anglican bodies.Ó He proposed a resolution which Òcalled for individual dioceses in the Anglican Communion not to take unilateral action or adopt policies that would strain 'our communion with one another',Ó according to the Anglican News Service. It was Òstrongly affirmed.Ó Ignoring this warning, the General Convention of 2003 went its own way.

Various Primates from around the Communion responded to these developments with clear warnings as to the strain such unilateral actions were placing on the Communion. The Primates of the Church, meeting in Brazil in May, 2003, issued a strongly worded message, saying there was no consensus on human sexuality. The Archbishop of Canterbury, addressing the situation in New Westminster just two days after the conclusion of the meeting, said ÒIn taking this action and ignoring the considerable reservations of the Church, repeatedly expressed and most recently by the Primates, the diocese has gone significantly further than the teaching of the Church or pastoral concern can justify and I very much regret the inevitable tension and division that will result from this development.Ó

Just days before the General Convention of 2003 convened, the Archbishop of Canterbury wrote a letter to the Primates drawing attention to the decisions that some provinces would make in the coming days. A favorite theme of the Archbishop is that the Anglican Communion is growing in its understanding of communion. He called for decisions to be made in the light pf the fact that some actions may draw us closer, and some push us farther away from the communion we seek.

I cite all this Ð much more could be added Ð to demonstrate that the actions of the General Convention were quite simply taken without regard to what the rest of the Communion was saying to us, and what over and over again our own Church has declared: the lack of consensus on matters of human sexuality is threatening Church unity. But the General Convention 2003 went its own way.

I think the General Convention actions to consent to the consecration of a man living in an active sexual relationship outside marriage, and to ÒrecognizeÓ same-sex blessings are indeed actions that offend against Òbrotherly charity.Ó As such, they fit the definition of schism offered by St. Augustine.

Listen to how one bishop, The Rt. Rev. Mouneer Anis of Egypt, responded:

ÒWe had not expected this to be done to us by brothers and sisters who are in communion with us. We had expected that they would think of us before taking such a grave step. It showed great disrespect to the majority of the members of the Anglican Communion and the church worldwide. In fact, the decision shows disregard for the value of being in communion and part of the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. It also places in doubt the future of the Lambeth Conference. When its resolutions are no longer respected by members of the conference what purpose does it have?

ÒThe Communion now faces a crisis over what holds us together and indeed whether we can remain together if we hold not merely diverse but contradictory views of the Scripture and what it teaches.Ó

He noted that the actions of the General Convention now made ecumenical relations with the Orthodox and Catholic Christians in his area more difficult, and threatened their relationships with the majority Muslim community.

We have heard for years, under the rubric of the Òhermeneutics of suspicion,Ó that we must not simply hear the interpretations of Scripture offered by those in power, but that we must listen as well and carefully to those who are oppressed in our communities. We have done a fairly good job of listening to sexual minorities in recent years. But now I think we must listen to those in the two-thirds world who are also feeling oppressed by our Western attitudes and arrogance. Acting without due regard for the concerns and dangers faced by our brothers and sisters in other, sometimes very hostile places, is the very definition of a lack of charity!

Furthermore, we have also heard for years that we in the West have many different approaches and interpretations of Scripture, especially in regard to human sexuality. But surely we must know that because different scholars interpret the same passages in differing, even contradictory ways, this does not entitle us to act with license. It is in situations like this we most NEED the Communion of which we are a part. Nothing in Scripture justifies one part of the Body of Christ moving ahead on its own. Paul, in the Corinthian situation, exhorted his readers, ÒBe careful, however, that the exercise of your freedom does not become a stumbling-blockÓ to others. (1 Cor 8.9) Or again, ÒEverything is permissible--but not everything is beneficial. Everything is permissible--but not everything is constructive. Nobody should seek his own good, but the good of others.Ó (1 Cor 10.23-24) To do otherwise is to reveal that we do not understand charity at all.

What is perhaps most distressing is to read or hear members of our own Church claim that declarations of ÒbrokenÓ or ÒimpairedÓ communion by our brothers and sisters abroad mean nothing. We do not know what these declarations may lead to. But it is surely clear that this attitude of indifference reveals a total lack of sensitivity and understanding in those who speak this way.

The Presiding Bishop has said, Òcommunion is not a human construction but a gift from God.Ó That is undoubtedly true. But we have not accepted the gift, judging but our recent actions. Instead, the General Convention has acted unilaterally and schismatically, tearing the gift apart.





[1] Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, First Series, vol III, p. 331.
[2] Horton Davies, Worship and Theology in England: from Cranmer to Baxter and Fox, 1534-1690. (Grand Rapids: Wm. B. Eerdmans, 1996) p. 17.
[3] Continuing the Dialogue: A Pastoral Study Document of the House of Bishops. (Cincinnati: Forward Movement Publications, 1995)
[4] The Official Report of the Lambeth Conference 1998. (Harrisburg: Morehouse Publishing, 1999)
RobAlou
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Me thinks the Catholics should clean their own house before they critisize us. That goes for just about everybody. Jesus lived in a intolerent world and was crucified for going against the grain maybe some of yall should think about that.
Guadaloop474
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RobAlou - The Catholics are cleaning their own house, bigtime. The 4% of accused priests (96% not accused)are well on their way to being purged from the priesthood. The number of accusations peaked in 1980, and has been on the downhill slope ever since.

http://www.usccb.org/nrb/johnjaystudy/prev3.pdf

And there is quite a bit of difference between having rogue priests do their own thing, and changing the bible to now read that homosexuality is now OK.
Guadaloop474
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Church regrets, won't repent for gay bishopBy Julia Duin
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
June 20, 2006
COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Episcopalians passed a resolution expressing "regret" for consecrating a homosexual bishop in 2003, but not "repentance" as many of the world's Anglican archbishops have urged.
The resolution that apologized to other Anglicans for not taking into account "the impact of our actions" was passed the same day as the newly elected presiding bishop played up the divisions within worldwide Anglicanism by saying homosexuality is not a sin.
Meanwhile yesterday, a key conservative bishop responded to the election of Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori by asking the worldwide head of the Anglican Communion for "alternate oversight" under a foreign archbishop who holds the traditional church teaching on homosexuality and female ordination.
The resolution of regret, which passed the Episcopal House of Deputies 563-267, also must pass the House of Bishops, which will consider it today at the denomination's triennial General Convention meeting in Columbus, Ohio.
It said Episcopalians expressed their "regret for straining the bonds of affection in the events surrounding the General Convention of 2003 and for the consequences which followed; offer its sincerest apology to those within the Anglican Communion who are offended by our failure to accord sufficient importance to the impact of our actions on our church ... and ask forgiveness as we seek to live into deeper levels of communion with one another."
Deputies wrangled for hours over that resolution, which, in the minds of some, called into question the consecration of New Hampshire Bishop V. Gene Robinson, who left his wife and children and lives with a male lover.
"I don't want to do any apologizing for the work of the Holy Spirit," said one deputy, referring to the denomination's selection of Bishop Robinson.
"I can cause harm even if my intentions are good," said Diocese of Washington deputy Paul Abernathy. "I've learned by God's grace to say 'I'm sorry.' "
Meanwhile, the Episcopal Diocese of Fort Worth, which opposes women's ordination, appealed to Archbishop Rowan Williams of Canterbury for an alternative to Bishop Schori of Nevada, who was chosen Sunday as the denomination's new presiding bishop.
Their request, for "immediate alternative primatial oversight and pastoral care," asks Archbishop Williams to provide a substitute male archbishop for Fort Worth's 18,000 Episcopalians. If granted, it would be unprecedented in the 70-million-member worldwide Anglican Communion.
Fort Worth Bishop Jack Leo Iker said that Canterbury had acknowledged receiving his request and that he was confident it would be granted.
"If a congregation can get a substitute bishop if they have a substitute in the event of a dispute with their diocesan bishop, why can't a diocese?" he said in an interview. The choice of Bishop Schori to head the U.S. church "was an in-your-face gesture to the entire Anglican Communion."
Because Bishop Schori never worked as a parish priest and has been a bishop only since 2001, he said, "We were very much surprised" by her election.
"Of all the women bishops they could've elected, she was the least electable."
There was no immediate response from Archbishop Williams. However, he said he had spoken to Bishop Schori by phone early yesterday "to assure her of prayers."
In an interview yesterday, Bishop Schori added more fuel to tensions over homosexuality between the U.S. church and 37 other Anglican provinces. To date, 22 provinces have partially or totally broken ties with the Episcopal Church over the Robinson consecration.
Bishop Schori was asked on CNN whether it was a sin to be homosexual.
"I don't believe so. I believe that God creates us with different gifts. Each one of us comes into this world with a different collection of things that challenge us and things that give us joy and allow us to bless the world around us," she said. "Some people come into this world with affections ordered toward other people of the same gender, and some people come into this world with affections directed at people of the other gender."
In fall 2004, an 18-member panel of Anglican leaders advised the 2.2-million-member Episcopal Church and its Canadian counterpart in a document known as the Windsor Report to cease ordaining homosexual bishops and blessing same-sex unions until a "greater consensus" arises in the Anglican Communion.
Another 18-member committee, co-chaired by Frank Wade of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington, has spent the past seven days coming up with several resolutions that would satisfy other provinces yet not alienate the U.S. denomination's mostly liberal membership.
Deputies also wrangled over Resolution A161, which urges dioceses to "refrain from the nomination, election, consent to, and consecration of bishops whose manner of life presents a challenge to the wider church."
It did not mention the word "homosexual."
An earlier version of the resolution, proposed by Virginia Bishop Peter Lee, asked for a "moratorium" on such future consecrations. It was voted down in subcommittee.
"The language of the resolution is totally unclear," protested the Rev. Kendall Harmon, a South Carolina deputy. "We're piling three verbs atop of each other: 'obliged' ... 'to urge,' 'to refrain.' The water in this resolution is murky, mucky, turgid, and I can't see."
Members of Integrity, the church's homosexual caucus, said the Episcopal Church will not back down from its advocacy of same-sex unions and homosexual bishops.
"I see no energy in this house to turn back the clock," said the Rev. Susan Russell, Integrity president. "The vote [for Bishop Schori] yesterday is a sign the House wants to move forward.
"Offering a challenge to the Anglican Communion is not a negative thing. Hopefully, 30 years from now, I'll be back here in my wheelchair to see them elect a gay and lesbian presiding bishop."

ro828
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Y'all need to look at me as an example of how to live. I don't sin.....I just have bad habits.
ibmagg
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Looks like another "priest" (former Catholic) is gettig her revelation that is so contrare to centuries of doctrine, from the same source as the delgates to the Presbyterian Conference as well as other religious leaders. Of Course, according to "five fingers", Benny Ha Ha excepted.
huisache
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As near as i can tell, the first condemnation of homosexuality in the Bible is in Leviticus.

It says Homosexuality is an abomination and that the punishment should be death. I am presuming that this is supposed to be a punishment set by God. If the Old Testament God is saying this, why are Christians not still trying to enforce it? If it is God's command, like the prohibition on abortion, why not make it illegal and punish it by death?

Leviticus also says the penalty for adultery should be death. So why not kill all the adulterers, or at least make their sinful acts illegal?

Jesus said each man gets one wife and no divorce. So anybody who gets a divorce and remarries or even has sex with a new person is an adulterer. Kill them? Or just make it a felony?

I believe it is in Leviticus that it says you can't eat crustaceans. Sea going critters have to have a fin before you can eat them. So do we kill the people who eat shrimp or lobsters? Or just throw them in the penitentiary?

I don't understand how it is that Christians can focus on abortion and homosexuality when all these other forbidden things are legal and go unpunished. Nobody advertises for the good abortion services they provide but I see ads for shrimp on TV all the time where they brag about how big and tasty the ones they serve are. Where is the outrage?.



[This message has been edited by huisache (edited 6/20/2006 2:14p).]
VT2TAMU
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As near as i can tell, the first condemnation of homosexuality in the Bible is in Leviticus.
actually, the first condemnation is in Genesis, but what are details?

vt
OceanStateAg
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actualy, divorce in the case of adultery is permitted...the only kind permitted.
ibmagg
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OceanStateag - you are almost right. Physical abuse is the other.
OceanStateAg
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That is correct.. I should have thought more..I know that. Didn't register at the time.
LevelAg
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Huisache,

Maybe you didn't get the memo, but it has been posted that Christians are to obey the New Testament. Someone should really start a new thread with this title "Christians to obey NT" so our atheist/agnostic friends non-Christian posters can keep up with these "recent" changes.

ibmagg -- scriptural reference please?
huisache
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You are right. I missed it. Stupid me, I thought Jesus was a practicing Jew.

I also grew up participating in two different Christian faiths and both of them seemed to lean heavily on the Old Testament for teaching about what sin was. The churches I attend now also seem to preach from the OT as well.

I must have missed the memo that changed that when it got posted.

When I watch the TV preachers they always seem to talk about Old Testament stuff.

As for homos, I don't recall Jesus coming down real hard on them. Maybe it was the suppressed part of the Sermon on the Mount. You know, the part where He said "Disgusting are the homos and the other perverts, who need to be selectively persecuted and singled out for ridicule."

Thanks for straightening me out on the subject. Now if you can just go to work on the clergy, because they all seem to be out of line too.

For your next task in straightening out the world's religious ignorance, why don't you work on the publishers, who for some totally bizarre reason, insist on publishing the NT along with the obsolete OT.
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