1. The past tense of salvation is revealed in certain passages which, when speaking of salvation, refer to it as being wholly past, or completed for the one who has believed (Luke 7:50, 1 Cor. 1:18; 2 Cor. 2:15; Eph. 2:5,8). So perfect is this divine work that the saved one is said to be safe forever (John 5:24; 10:28,29; Rom. 8:1).

2. The present tense of salvation, has to do with present salvation from the reigning power of sin (Rom. 6:14; 8:2; 2 Cor. 3:18; Gal. 2:19-20; Phil. 1:19; 2:12-13; 2 Thess. 2:13).

3. The future tense of salvation contemplates that the believer will yet be saved into full conformity to Christ (Rom. 8:29; 13:11; 1 Pet. 1:5; 1 John 3:2). The fact that some aspects of salvation are yet to be accomplished for the one who believes does not imply that there is ground for doubt as to its ultimate completion; for it is nowhere taught that any feature of salvation depends upon the faithfulness of man. God is faithful and, having begun a good work, will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ (Phil. 1:6). - John F. Walvoord

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I've never seen anybody post so many different deep thoughts all at about the same time.

Where do you get the ideas or the material?

(This isn't meant to be insulting at all...just curious)

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Where do you get the ideas or the material?

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BQ88, the material is from notes collecting over many years of Bible studies, etc.

Source?

http://www.churchofhopeontheweb.org/soteriology/salvguilt.htm

NA, the source is Major Bible Themes by Chafer. Good book.

Yes, I have that book also Patriarch. Do you agree with Chafer's teachings?

Do either of you have "Footsteps of the Messiah" by Dr. Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum (a converted Jew)?

That is an excellent book on Bible prophecy from the Jewish perspective!

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