This thread is in response to Notafraid's questions about the Government in the Millennium.

Of course the Government is going to be on the shoulders of the Lord Jesus Christ in the Millennium.

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the Government shall be upon his shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Of the increase of his Government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his Kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this." - Isa. 9:6-7

Scripture has a great deal to say concerning the Government of the theocracy, inasmuch as the government administered by the King is the very manifestation of the authority that God seeks to re-establish.

This theocracy is to be viewed, not as a convenience, but as an absolute necessity.

The relation that man and this earth sustains to the most High God requires that the honor and majesty of God should demand the establishment of a Theocracy here on the earth, by which the race is brought under a government honorable alike to God and man.

At the creation God had determined upon this form of government.

Man by disobedience forfeited a dominion which God through him was to exercise over the earth.

God has resolved to restore that dominion in the Person of Jesus, the Second Adam.

God - to indicate in what form of government this dominion should be incorporated when restored, to test man's present capacity for it, and to make certain indispensable provisions for the future - erected a Theocracy.

Man, because of sinfulness, was unfitted for a Theocracy ordering, and, therefore, it was withdrawn.

God promised at some future time to restore it.

This Theocracy is God's own preference for a form of government, and if not restored makes His proposed government a failure.

God has sent His Son to make provision for Salvation.

This Salvation in its ultimate realization is invariably linked with this still future Coming Kingdom.

God, to insure the future permanent establishment of the Theocracy, is preparing a body of rulers for the same to be associated with "the Christ".

That until this Theocracy is set up on the earth the race is not brought into subjecttion to God.

However glorious in design this age may be, there is still an incompleteness in Redemption and which will continue until "the Messiah" comes to restore the Theocracy.

When this Theocracy is re-established, then under the rulership of Christ and His saints the race itself is brought into subjection to God - a revolted province is brought back to its pristine allegiance and blessedness.

The Theocracy is the form of government most admirably adapted to secure this result.

A Theocracy being in its nature a visible government, such a sovereignty and redemption completed must be visibly shown in the sight of the world, so that - as rightly belongs to God and is done in heaven itself - it be publicly recognized.

The personal relationship of God to Adam in Paradise, to the Theocracy once established in the past, to man in and through Jesus at the First Advent, insures a future special and continued personal relationship in a restored throne and Kingdom, as exhibiting His Supremacy in the most tangible and satisfactory manner, and that the recovery of a rebellious people and race, as well as the manifestation of God's will being done on earth as in heaven, includes such a personal relationship in the Person of Him who is "the Son of Man.

Messiah is the King in the Millennium. Scripture make it very clear that the government of the Millennium is under the Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ (Isa. 2:2-4; 9:3-7; 11:1-10; 16:5; 24:21-23; 31:4-32:2; 42:1-7, 13; 49:1-7; 51:4-5; 60:12; Dan. 2:44; 7:15-18; Obad. 17:21; Mic. 4:1-8; 5:2-5, 15; Zeph. 3:9-10, 18-19; Zech. 9:10-15; 14:16-17).

His regal authority is universal. This position is by Divine appointment. The Psalmist gives the word of Jehovah, :"Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion" (Psa. 2:6)

I know this is long but you asked a lot of questions about the Government of the Millennium. I know that you asked most of the questions is Jest - but there is a real purpose to the Millennial Reign of the Lord Jesus Christ on the Earth.

I sincerely hope that this will make it more clear to you and you will see the purpose without it becoming a huge puzzle as you mentioned.

Perfect Peace
Isa. 26:3-4


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which millenium is this?

i'm too lazy to go back and look at the previous thread, but is this a "God is coming back to establish his literal kingdom on earth in this millenium, except this time, people won't doubt him and subsequently execute him for correctly fearing him as a direct threat to their political power." thread?

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Of course the Government is going to be on the shoulders of the Lord Jesus Christ in the Millennium.

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the Government shall be upon his shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

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So that is just talking about a 1000 year earthly government? It’s not the key of the house of David?

Isaiah 22:22"Then I will set the key of the house of David on his shoulder,
When he opens no one will shut,
When he shuts no one will open.

This does not look like that is a 1000 year earthly government upon his shoulder.

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Of the increase of his Government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his Kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this." - Isa. 9:6-7

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But if it’s just all a 1000 year earthly emperorship over civil governments, then there is an end. There is a 1000 year limit, according to your literal rendering. This is just more of the inconsistencies with your claims to be literal.

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Scripture has a great deal to say concerning the Government of the theocracy, inasmuch as the government administered by the King is the very manifestation of the authority that God seeks to re-establish.

This theocracy is to be viewed, not as a convenience, but as an absolute necessity.

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Let’s see the scriptures that teach this “absolute necessity” for Jesus to rule over earthly civil governments. All you keep presenting is opinions.

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The relation that man and this earth sustains to the most High God requires that the honor and majesty of God should demand the establishment of a Theocracy here on the earth, by which the race is brought under a government honorable alike to God and man.

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Now you are telling God what He should do? He SHOULD demand the establishment of a Theocracy here on the earth under Jesus? Wow!

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At the creation God had determined upon this form of government.

Man by disobedience forfeited a dominion which God through him was to exercise over the earth.

God has resolved to restore that dominion in the Person of Jesus, the Second Adam.

God - to indicate in what form of government this dominion should be incorporated when restored, to test man's present capacity for it, and to make certain indispensable provisions for the future - erected a Theocracy.

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Again, this is just more of your speculation in the absence of any actual teachings of this doctrine that the Kingdom of heaven is really all about a temporary earthly kingdom!

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Man, because of sinfulness, was unfitted for a Theocracy ordering, and, therefore, it was withdrawn.

God promised at some future time to restore it.

This Theocracy is God's own preference for a form of government, and if not restored makes His proposed government a failure.

God has sent His Son to make provision for Salvation.

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More of your reading into the scriptures. Jesus was not sent to provide potential salvation, or as you say “to make provision for Salvation”. He actually accomplishes what He sets out to do. To save His people from their sins. This is the kind of error that creeps in when one refuses to exegete scripture.

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This Salvation in its ultimate realization is invariably linked with this still future Coming Kingdom.

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When one is saved, they are transferred from the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of light! This is the kingdom of heaven that the scriptures teach of!

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God, to insure the future permanent establishment of the Theocracy, is preparing a body of rulers for the same to be associated with "the Christ".

That until this Theocracy is set up on the earth the race is not brought into subjecttion to God.

However glorious in design this age may be, there is still an incompleteness in Redemption and which will continue until "the Messiah" comes to restore the Theocracy.

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Jesus rejected a theocratic rule! He made clear that his kingdom is not of this earth. You must deny those literal words of His so you can liberally read in your ideas to the scriptures!

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When this Theocracy is re-established, then under the rulership of Christ and His saints the race itself is brought into subjection to God - a revolted province is brought back to its pristine allegiance and blessedness.

The Theocracy is the form of government most admirably adapted to secure this result.

A Theocracy being in its nature a visible government, such a sovereignty and redemption completed must be visibly shown in the sight of the world, so that - as rightly belongs to God and is done in heaven itself - it be publicly recognized.

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This doesn’t even sound like Christianity anymore!

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The personal relationship of God to Adam in Paradise, to the Theocracy once established in the past, to man in and through Jesus at the First Advent, insures a future special and continued personal relationship in a restored throne and Kingdom, as exhibiting His Supremacy in the most tangible and satisfactory manner, and that the recovery of a rebellious people and race, as well as the manifestation of God's will being done on earth as in heaven, includes such a personal relationship in the Person of Him who is "the Son of Man.

Messiah is the King in the Millennium. Scripture make it very clear that the government of the Millennium is under the Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ (Isa. 2:2-4; 9:3-7; 11:1-10; 16:5; 24:21-23; 31:4-32:2; 42:1-7, 13; 49:1-7; 51:4-5; 60:12; Dan. 2:44; 7:15-18; Obad. 17:21; Mic. 4:1-8; 5:2-5, 15; Zeph. 3:9-10, 18-19; Zech. 9:10-15; 14:16-17).

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None of those verses speak of a Millennial reign, yet you read into them that they do! Yet again you pretend to interpret them literally, but you add words, and meanings that are simply not there!

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His regal authority is universal. This position is by Divine appointment. The Psalmist gives the word of Jehovah, :"Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion" (Psa. 2:6)

I know this is long but you asked a lot of questions about the Government of the Millennium. I know that you asked most of the questions is Jest - but there is a real purpose to the Millennial Reign of the Lord Jesus Christ on the Earth.

I sincerely hope that this will make it more clear to you and you will see the purpose without it becoming a huge puzzle as you mentioned.

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Thank you for sharing your thoroughly unbiblical view where you force your desired doctrines upon the scriptures things that they do not teach, and thanks for making such clear examples of your extremely liberal and inconsistent approach to the scriptures, but I am a conservative Christian, not a leftist as you appear to be. The most disturbing thing is you and others like you actually pretend to be conservative interpreters, and honest exegetes! You are not.

Thanks for your response, Notafraid.

Perfect Peace
Isa. 26:3-4

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Thanks for your response, Notafraid.

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Thanks for your thankfulness of my response Olson Iceberg. Do you think that you can be persuaded to a less liberal view on these things?



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awww....why don't i get a response?

j/k..

but in all seriousness..i hope olsen iceberg has no background in explosives or small arms.

I was in the Corps of Engineers. We used explosives for peaceful purposes.

Perfect Peace
Isa. 26:3-4


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don't forget YYZ

nm (wrong forum)


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None of those verses speak of a Millennial reign, yet you read into them that they do!

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Of course they do.

Isa. 11 - Perfect environment on the earth, etc.
Never happened before! Why do you suppose there is perfect environment on the earth during the millennium? Jesus is reigning for 1000 years and Satan is bound for 1000 years. Pretty good combination.

That is the reason the the lion and the lamb and lie down side by side. And that is the reason that the little child can play on the cobra's den and not be harmed. Perfect environment.

All of creation fell when Adam sinned. Adam lost his dominion over the earth.

"For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to-wit, the redemption of our body." Rom. 8:22-23

When Jesus come back to rule and reign in the millennium, all of creation will be redeemed as this passage says.

He not only redeems lost homo sapian, but He is going to redeem the entire creation. There will be PERFECT ENVIRONMENT on the earth in the Millennium. Isa. 11. Read and believe the words.

Zech. 14 - The Lord being on the earth personally.

Just read the words and don't try to re-interpret what they say. Nothing unbiblical about just reading the words in the Bible.


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Yet again none of those verses ever said anything about an earthly millennial reign, otherwise you would have quoted them. Instead you have deluded yourself that it has, saying it very matter of factly you have appealed singularly to your own human logic as the basis, and you also ask me to appeal to my own human logic to deduce that it really is all about a millennial reign, because it just makes sense to you.

Well, my good liberal friend. I will have none of that. You can not produce a single didactic text in the scriptures of this doctrine, and so I must continue to insist that it is a fiction, and ask you to repent of your liberal methods, and return to sound theology.

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Well, my good liberal friend. I will have none of that. You can not produce a single didactic text in the scriptures of this doctrine, and so I must continue to insist that it is a fiction, and ask you to repent of your liberal methods, and return to sound theology.

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Each time the Scripture talks about Jesus ruling and reigning on the earth in the future it doesn't have to use the word millennium to be factual. I have listed many Scriptures that talk about His future reign on the earth.

When He rules on the earth in the future it is the 1000 year reign as described in Rev. 20. The millennial reign is the only reign on the earth that is prophecied. There should be no confusion about which reign it is. When He is reigning on the earth it is the millennial reign.

He will rule eternally from the New Jerusalem not the earth.

To read the words as they are written in the Scripture is a very conservative approach. That is good, sound doctrine and certainly not fiction.

Perfect Peace
Isa. 26:3-4


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I understand your belief that those verses are talking about a 1000 year earthly kingdom, but the problem is that there is not a single piece of didactic text in the scriptures that say that. The ONLY text you base all of that on is some eschatological text, that even you admit is filled with symbolic words, yet you inconsistently go back and forth assuming one word is literal, and another is symbolic, based on what you claim seems right to your human reason, and desires. You do the same with all of the rest of the OT prophetic language you use. It is a liberal hermeneutic more than a literal hermeneutic.

Though you continually try to convince yourself and others that you are the one faithful to what the scriptures say, it’s really not a faithful way to rightly divide the Word.

There is a good book called: Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth - A Critique of Dispensationalism. It’s out of print, but if you can get your hands on one, I would highly recommend it.



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I have read that book Notafraid. I think it is about hyper dispensationalism. I an not a hyper-dispensationist

Once again, Each time the Scripture talks about Jesus ruling and reigning on the earth in the future it doesn't have to use the word millennium to be factual. I have listed many Scriptures that talk about His future reign on the earth.

The future reign on the earth is talking about the 1000 year reign because the eternal reign is talking about His reign from the New Jerusalem.

You can not make those many Scripture go away that are talking about an earthly rule no matter how much you don't want to think about an earthly rule. The Bible talks much about it!!

An earthly future rule = millennial rule

An eternal future rule = rule from New Jerusalem



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There you go again. You keep making the leap of logic, that whenever it says that Jesus is ruling (which even you admit, He is right now), you assume that it’s about some 1000 year earthly empire. What about His reign right now over the elect from every nation? Why doesn’t the bible ever talk about that? Because according to your human reason, everything talks about a 1000 year earthly civil government, though there is no didactic texts in scripture that teach that, and in fact they teach things contrary to that, and opposed to that. But don’t let that stand in the way of your liberal sometimes literal hermeneutic and human reason based assumptions.

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whenever it says that Jesus is ruling (which even you admit, He is right now), you assume that it’s about some 1000 year earthly empire.

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No Notafraid. That is not what I said.

I said whenever it says that Jesus is ruling on the EARTH, it is the millennial rule.

It is on the EARTH. Not in HEAVEN or from the NEW JERUSALEM.

On EARTH -- The millennium
In HEAVEN -- During the Church Age (Now)
After Millennium -- The New Jerusalem


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Right, that’s what I said. You look forward to a 1000 year earthly empire, the civil government of Jesus. You are looking forward to a Jesusland, where He is president of the world, and guys like Pat Robertson, and John Hagee are His supreme court. I’ll bet he will end the abortion on demand, and all of that, huh?

All of that makes your view of the kingdom literally a social gospel, just like the other liberals have. To you most of the bible is all about the earthly 1000 year utopia, with president/emperor Jesus running things.

Unfortunately, we can't re-write what the Bible says. It definitely says that Jesus will rule and reign on the earth in the latter days. It says that over and over and over again. It must mean it even if it does not fit our ideas of the way we think it should be.

Here are just a few of the passages:
(Isa. 2:2-4; 9:3-7; 11:1-10; 16:5; 24:21-23; 31:4-32:2; 42:1-7, 13; 49:1-7; 51:4-5; 60:12; Dan. 2:44; 7:15-18; Obad. 17:21; Mic. 4:1-8; 5:2-5, 15; Zeph. 3:9-10, 18-19; Zech. 9:10-15; 14:16-17).

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Unfortunately, we can't re-write what the Bible says.

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I know you wish that you could, but what it doesn’t say doesn’t seem to stop you from reading it in there.

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It definitely says that Jesus will rule and reign on the earth in the latter days. It says that over and over and over again. It must mean it even if it does not fit our ideas of the way we think it should be.

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I know it says that HE IS REIGNING ON THE EARTH. He is seated at the right hand of the father ruling right now. The Bible says this:

Rev 1:6 and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father--to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.

1 Peter 2:9 But you are A CHOSEN RACE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR God's OWN POSSESSION , so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;

The kingdom is NOW!

Acts 19:8 And he entered the synagogue and continued speaking out boldly for three months, reasoning and persuading them about the kingdom of God.

Here is a didactic that teaches differently from your human reason based theory!

1 Corinthians 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming, 24 then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. 25For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.

That is actual bible teaching that contradicts your earthly 1000 year civil reign theory!
Your theories about prophetic texts should be trumped by what the scriptures actually teach, but you have gone all liberal on us, and insist on your own reasoning of things.


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Notafraid, I think you know exactly what I am talking about.

I am talking about Jesus ruling and reigning FROM the earth. About as conversative and you can get.

All the passages that I gave you talk about Jesus ruling and reigning FROM the earth as opposed to ruling from His throne at the right hand of God. Check it out.

That is the millennial reign on the earth. Not the current reign from the right hand of the Father.

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Notafraid, I think you know exactly what I am talking about.

I am talking about Jesus ruling and reigning FROM the earth.

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Ok, show me a single didactic text in the scriptures that backs up that theory?

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Ok, show me a single didactic text in the scriptures that backs up that theory?

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Isa. 2:3 says "And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem."

Notafraid, you laugh at the phrase "mountain of the Lord" which is used so often.

Remember in Zechariah when Jesus returns there will be a mighty earthquake which will radically change the topography of the land. Don't underestimate the power of that earthquake and what it will do.

"And his feet shall stand in that day upon the Mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south."

Numerous verses speak of the people going up to the mountain of the Lord to worship Him personally.

Didactic means to teach or to instruct and that is exactly what these verses are doing concerning the activities of the people on the earth who will be going to Jerusalem to worship the Lord Jesus.



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Ok, show me a single didactic text in the scriptures that backs up that theory?

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That is NOT a didactic text. It is Prophecy!

Isa 2:1 This is what Isaiah son of Amoz saw cerning Judah and Jerusalem:

It's a prophetic vision!


There is the problem. You don’t seem to have any educated view about literature. It’s apparently all the same to you, and you read it literally sometimes, and figuratively other times, and just basically however you want. That is your interpretive principle, what every you want it to be. What ever seems reasonable to you at any given moment. One can not just do that and be a faithful biblical scholar. That is why you are off into this hole you are in. It’s simply poor hermeneutics.


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Notafraid, it seems to me that you could say the very same thing about ALL prophecy. And if that were the case you could not believe any of it. That just does not make sense to me.

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You don’t seem to have any educated view about literature.

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I may not, but the PHD's at various seminaries sure are educated and I study from books they have written. They seem to have no problem using prophetic Scriptures as being the inspired Word of God that you can depend upon.



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Notafraid, it seems to me that you could say the very same thing about ALL prophecy. And if that were the case you could not believe any of it. That just does not make sense to me.

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Here is more of your problem, you are so full of bias, so programmed in your mind, that if anyone ever disagrees with you that a prophecy doesn’t mean exactly what you say it does, that they are just not believing the bible. No it means they are just not believing your particular views of the bible. They are choosing to believe what the bible teaches (in the didactic forms of literature), not wild theories about what prophecy means where you read in words and ideas that aren’t even there, and also assume that it’s a didactic! Again, that is just poor scholarship. It’s mishmash logic too, because you see one thing as literal, another thing that’s not, and you just do it all by what happens to make sense to you at any given time. There is not consistency there, though you dishonestly pretend like you are consistently applying your hermeneutic. It's the same human reason based methods that the theological liberals apply, and the denial of those kinds of truths is part of your blindness.



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Notafraid, we can give it all kinds of names, etc. -- but the basic difference is ---

You are a-millennial. The six (6) verses in Rev. 20 that talk about a one thousand year period is symbolic to you.

I am pre-millennial. The six (6) verses in Rev. 20 that talk about a one thousand year period is literal to me.

Homsar made a good point. He said that whenever a period of time is used in Scripture it is ususally used in the literal sense. You did not respond to that. Can you think of a case where that is not true?

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Notafraid, we can give it all kinds of names, etc. -- but the basic difference is ---

You are a-millennial. The six (6) verses in Rev. 20 that talk about a one thousand year period is symbolic to you.

I am pre-millennial. The six (6) verses in Rev. 20 that talk about a one thousand year period is literal to me.

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Actually you have stated that the dragon is symbolic of Satan, among other things, so really the fact that you see words in those verses as meaning other things is no different than what I do, yet, you are so deceived, and so deceptive as to pretend that when I do it, its different from when you do it. You do this because I have disagreed with your theory, and apparently that will not be tolerated!

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Homsar made a good point. He said that whenever a period of time is used in Scripture it is ususally used in the literal sense. You did not respond to that. Can you think of a case where that is not true?

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Homsar is not the end all be all interpreter of the scriptures. I would simply argue the same sound principles of interpretation to him also, that eschatology (which was all a vision) is FULL of symbolism. It makes no sense to see several things that mean something else, but suddenly come across a period of time, and say it must not mean something else, it must mean the exact word it uses. The principle that one should let NT didactics define doctrine, not interpretations of OT visions. All of these things are part of sound hermeneutics, and although he is going to DTS (where they have shown a tendency to not be too good in these things), I would hope that he has learned these things.

Notafraid, I understand that you deny the literalness of the thousand year period in Revelation 20.

Do you also deny the literalness of the angel, heaven, the pit, Satan, the nations, and the resurrections mentioned?

Perfect Peace
Isa. 26:3-4

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Notafraid, I understand that you deny the literalness of the thousand year period in Revelation 20.

Do you also deny the literalness of the angel, heaven, the pit, Satan, the nations, and the resurrections mentioned?

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I don’t think so, but I sure wouldn’t pretend that the book of revelation is something that it is not. It’s a vision of spiritual/heavenly things, so most of the stuff in it is telling a story about things by giving word pictures. Tongues that are swords, 7 heads, etc, they all mean something larger than the literal word. So, it’s kind of like a picture book.

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I don’t think so,

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Well good, all you need now is to believe the time frame and you can enroll in DTS and study from Dr. J. Dwight Pentecost's excellent book entitled "Things to Come".

You will begin to see a pattern in the Bible, instead of a great big puzzle.

The Age of Law
The Age of Grace
The Great Tribulation Period
The Millennial Reign of Christ
The Eternal State



Perfect Peace
Isa. 26:3-4


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You have apparently not taken any of the things that I have pointed out to you seriously, so I guess we are through here.

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BTW, I am not sure if angel in every case means what we think. It literally means "sent one", also, I am not sure if it's literally a chain around the dragons neck, or literally a pit, or that Satan is literally in the form of a dragon…

Oh, that is OK. I am just happy that you are not mad. I didn't mean to make you mad. I was just joking with you.

On the vitally important things we agree. We have some honest differences of opinion on some of the prophetic things and that is not worth getting upset about.

Keep up the good work!

Perfect Peace
Isa. 26:3-4

Olsen Iceberg,

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On the vitally important things we agree. We have some honest differences of opinion on some of the prophetic things and that is not worth getting upset about.

Keep up the good work!

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Agreed. When it comes down to it, you and I are brothers in Christ. You know that when things are down to brass tacks, the trifecta: Me, Greatheart, and YYZ got your back.