Bishop Gene Robinson Redux...

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Guadaloop474
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Calif. Episcopal Diocese Nominates Gay, Lesbian Ministers as Next Bishop

Wednesday, Feb. 22, 2006 Posted: 2:12:25PM EST

The Episcopal diocese of California nominated an openly gay man and lesbian woman to be its next bishop, reigniting the flame over homosexuality that has nearly divided the worldwide Anglican Communion.

According to the Church of England Newspaper, the Diocese of California included the Rev. Robert Taylor, Dean of Seattle, and the Rev Bonnie Perry, Rector of All Saints’ Church in Chicago, on the list of five nominees for election in May.

The gay-rights group “Integrity” welcomed the nomination, saying that “Whether or not Robert or Bonnie is elected by the Diocese of California, it is inevitable that another gay or lesbian person will eventually elected, confirmed and consecrated.”

The controversy surrounding homosexuality exploded in 2003 when the Episcopal Church USA elected an openly gay man as bishop of New Hampshire. Since then, the worldwide communion nearly split over geographical lines – the more conservative “Southern” churches in Africa, Asia and Latin America versus the more liberal “Northern” churches in North America and Europe.

Under the direction of the Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, the communion also produced a 100-page study called the “Windsor Report” that was meant to serve as a guideline for dialogue between the opposing parties. Among the recommendations was for the ECUSA to place a moratorium on the appointment of gay bishops in the Anglican Communion.

Taking note of this recommendation, Williams expressed his unease over the Diocese of California’s new move.

“If there is ever to be a change on the discipline and teaching of the Anglican Communion [on homosexuality] it should not be the decision of one church alone,” he said.

“The Church must have the highest degree of consensus for such a radical change,” Williams argued, saying he was uneasy about how the ECUSA has handled this issue.

To be elected as bishop the nominee must first win the majority of votes within the California diocese in May. The winner must then have their election affirmed by the Church’s General Convention in June.
Guitarsoup
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Is he engaging in homosexual sex? If he is attracted to other men, but celibate, I dont see what the problem is.
Guadaloop474
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See the Catholic Church for more info on hiring homosexuals..
Frankenstein
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oh for pete's sake!

<bangs head on desk>
hand puppet
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when gay-hating (like racism and sexism) is no longer socially acceptable, who are you wackos going to focus your irrational hatred on?
Frankenstein
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1) being gay is sinful
2) church leaders have to be held to a higher standard
3) see 1)
hand puppet
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is being gay any more sinful than just being any other kind of sinner? aren't all humans sinners?
Guitarsoup
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Being gay is not sinful. Acting immorally on sexual impulses (gay or straight) is sinful.

There is nothing wrong with a church leader who is gay, as long as they are celibate. There is nothing wrong with a single church leader, as long as they are celabate.
Guadaloop474
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handpuppet - The difference here is that you have a mainstream church saying that sinful behavior is now OK. The rules for a bishop are pretty plain in Titus 1:7, among which are "blameless".

If you consider Christians to be wackos, do you consider yourself to be morally superior to us because you see no problem with homosexuality?

Guitarsoup
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The difference here is that you have a mainstream church saying that sinful behavior is now OK. The rules for a bishop are pretty plain in Titus 1:7, among which are "blameless".



Is he actively engaging in homosexual sex, or did he only admit that he is attracted to men more than women?

Simply that he is attracted to men does not mean he is engaging in a homosexual or sinful lifestyle.

I am generally most attracted to blondes and redhead women with a nice figure. I cant control that, I can only control what I do with my urges.
hand puppet
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If you consider Christians to be wackos, do you consider yourself to be morally superior to us because you see no problem with homosexuality?

yes, i consider my morality to be defensible and rational (not based on faith), and thus superior.
Bracy
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yes, i consider my morality to be defensible and rational (not based on faith), and thus superior.



What is your morality based upon?
hand puppet
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it's based on lots of things: logic, empiricism, the concept of harm and suffering, preference utilitarianism, etc.

it's not based upon religious mandates because there's no objective way to determine which religion is the "correct" one.

nor is it based upon the highly problematic notion of "faith" in supernatural entities (magic ghosts).
Guadaloop474
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Sounds like it's based on your personal opinion. Just what this country needs - 300 million sets of morality based on 300 million different personal opinions. We are One Nation Under God, not one nation under our personal opinions...
hand puppet
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which God?
Guadaloop474
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THE God...
hand puppet
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Allah?
hand puppet
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wait, you must be referring to the flying spaghetti monster, right?
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