PRAISE GOD !!

Skydiver's desperate prayer answered
Felt 'warm embrace' as he survived spiraling plunge to Earth

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Posted: August 16, 2005
5:00 p.m. Eastern



© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

A first-time skydiver who survived a 3,500-foot plunge to Earth after his parachute failed to open properly says he experienced extraordinary comfort as he prayed on the way down.

Daniel Levi Cave, speaking from his hospital room in Seattle yesterday, told the "Today" show's Matt Lauer he made a last-minute plea to God.


"I said, 'OK, well, I trust you, I believe in you, and if there's any way, I'd love to see my family again, so help me out here.'

Cave continued: "And I just felt – I got to say, I just felt like the biggest hug in the world and just this warm embrace. It was the most amazing thing ever. And at that point, I thought, either way, this is going to turn out good, so, and here I am. I don't know how."

Cave, who was trying to land last week at the Bremerton airport, across Puget Sound from Seattle, came away with only a broken leg, broken jaw and some internal injuries.

He was attempting a static line jump in which the skydiver is attached to the plane with a tether that automatically pulls the rip cord.

But Cave, 26, said he immediately began spinning in circles at a speed of about 50 miles per hour, preventing him from controlling the chute.

Remarkably, officials say, he hit a soft patch of ground, saving his life.

Cave said he remembers seeing an airplane hanger, chainlink fence and container trailers.

"I'm not sure exactly what all I hit on the way down or if I hit the ground directly," he said. "I still have yet to find that information out … ."


Cave, who appeared on the "Today" show with his wife Machel, said his first dive also was his last.

He told KING-TV in Seattle, "How I lived … I can't explain why I'm not just mush."

yawn

Care to try it yourself?

So, his chute was open, though not properly, he hit a soft patch of ground, broke his leg, jaw, and had internal injuries. This is an example of a supernatural intervention by God?

A truely impressive miracle would have been if his chute didn't open at all, and he landed without injury. The sort of event in this article is not without precedent, and certainly not a "Documented Miracle."

If that is proof of a documented miracle, then what exactly are we to make of this:

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OGDEN, Utah -- A 30-year-old Wyoming woman making her first skydive was killed in an accident in Utah.

Julia Bond was making a tandem jump with an instructor at an airport in Ogden, Utah. They were apparently caught by a gust of wind coming down. Some witnesses said it pushed them into a building but others said their chute collapsed, dropping them 20 feet to the ground.

Bond was pronounced dead of head and chest injuries. The instructor survived but is hospitalized in serious condition in Salt Lake City.

A fire department spokesman said what makes it particularly tragic is that some members of the woman's family witnessed the accident.

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http://www.wnbc.com/news/4849859/detail.html

[This message has been edited by lechnerd02 (edited 8/18/2005 8:50a).]

The DEVILS!

THe DEVILS!

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Cave, who appeared on the "Today" show with his wife Machel, said his first dive also was his last.

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Understatement of the year.

i've concluded tha texasag73 is a troll. nobody can be that intellectually lazy.

I doubt that texasag73 is a troll, he seems to be a sincere christian who sees the Hand of God in this account.

What is wrong with that?

he simply concludes that it's God's intervention without any proof. when people of other religions pray to their Gods and their wishes come true, is that proof of other Gods causing miracles?

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What is wrong with that?

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For most of these guys? I’ll tell you what’s wrong with that… It’s not scoffing, it’s not cynical, it’s not focusing on misery, it does not put God on trial and find him guilty! In short, it’s not a position of enmity with God as they are in.


John 3:18"He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19"This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20"For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21"But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God."

Romans 8:5For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

1cor 1:18For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
19For it is written,
"I WILL DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE,
AND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE CLEVER I WILL SET ASIDE." 20Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe...25Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 26For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble; 27but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, 28and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are



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Could texasag produce any proof that this is a bona fide miracle? Probably not, but if he chooses to believe that it is why should that give you cause to mock him? Does texasag post some goofy stuff sometimes? Yes, but I think he really believes what he posts and if he believes it what difference does that make to you? Why do you feel the need to scoff at someone else's beliefs?

nobody's scoffing at his, i'm just pointing out that he's being intellectually lazy. i don't appologize for calling out someone who doesn't take to time to explore alternate interpretations of certain phenomenon. if he's too blinded by his "faith" to look at things objectively, then i think that's really sad.

bad touch,

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he simply concludes that it's God's intervention without any proof. when people of other religions pray to their Gods and their wishes come true, is that proof of other Gods causing miracles?

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You ask for proof, but not any kind of proof. Only the proof that you approve of. You who have set yourself up as your own God , demand that all proofs satisfy your own independent reason. This personal reason, you exalt to the supreme state of “ultimate arbiter of truth”. This you insist, is the only way to know truth! How can one know truth apart from this, you ask? And when told that this is simply your faith in this system of knowledge, and asked to justify this commitment to faith, you simply appeal back to more of your own independently reasoned logic. You are a fool, for more than one reason! You are a fool because while claiming to be logical, and reasonable, you can give no logical reason for your blind faith commitment to the authority of your own reason, other than to reason in a circle. When pointed out these things again, and again, you ignore them, and pretend as if you are not being foolish and inconsistent. This by definition is folly.

Could bad touch produce any proof that this is not a bona fide miracle? Probably not, but if he chooses to believe that it isn't why should that give you cause to mock him? Does bad touch post some goofy stuff sometimes? Yes, but I think he really believes what he posts and if he believes it what difference does that make to you? Why do you feel the need to scoff at someone else's beliefs?

Bad touch!

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nobody's scoffing at his, i'm just pointing out that he's being intellectually lazy. i don't appologize for calling out someone who doesn't take to time to explore alternate interpretations of certain phenomenon. if he's too blinded by his "faith" to look at things objectively, then i think that's really sad.

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The hypocrisy of this! You, who presume to reason all things about God independently from God! You who presume that doing that is the only way to know truth! You who, when asked the basis for that commitment can give no answer but to reason circularly. You who when pointed out those problems, and inconsistencies choose to ignore them and go on in your own private never land, firing attacks on others who do not share your own blind faith in your own reason! Wake up! Wake up, sleeper!

Notafraid,
i address these issues on the other thread.

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1 Corinthians 2:13-15 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)

Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society
NIV at IBS International Bible Society NIV at Zondervan Zondervan

13This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. 14The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment

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And that's all I have to say about that.

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Notafraid,
i address these issues on the other thread.

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You never addressed anything! You never could justify your commitments to your own independent reason, except to give an answer which you reasoned independently! When I pointed out that your only recourse was to reason in a circle, you simply changed the subject, and tried to focus back on me! That is what guys like you are best at, attacking others, but when it comes to justifying your own faith commitments, you are at a loss!

Notafraid,
I refer you to our previous discussion where I fully and completely dismantled your argument, while providing a thorough defense of my own. As you may remember, in the face of a sound argument, you decided to quit the discussion. If you want to continue that discussion, fine, but i'm not going to rehash and rebut your same tired arguments. I already did that.

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Could bad touch produce any proof that this is not a bona fide miracle?

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To be fair, the greater burden of proof is on the one making a positive assertion. Badtouch is under no obligation to disprove the positive assertion that this is a miracle. Rather, the burden is upon the one who claims that it is a miracle.

I know. I was just poking the fun.

So badtouch is not making the assertion that the event was a product of natural forces? Is that not also a positive assertion?

I would say Bad is not asserting anything. I think he is merely stating that there is no evidence it was a miracle. I don't think he is saying what caused it.

Certainly, it can be said that the skydiver in question considered it a miracle.

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PRAISE GOD !!

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I just can't get that excited about this when other people (as shown by one of the posters) are more than likely going splat somehwere else in the world (or being run over or drowning, etc.).

I have always thought God has a plan for each and every on os us. I subscribe that my fate in his hands. I do believe that he delivered this person's salvation and probably had a hand in that other poor woman's fate.

I just can't engage in the emotional high of a perceived miracle and then blithely explain away someone else's tragic skydiving death as "God's Will".

I would rather just assume he works in mysterious ways.

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You are a fool, for more than one reason! You are a fool because while claiming to be logical, and reasonable, you can give no logical reason for your blind faith commitment to the authority of your own reason,

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but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Matt 5:22


SPIN away.......

I pity da fool.

Still -It does seem miraculous. All of you people who are wise in the ways of the world and are cynics wouldn't believe in God if a man rose from the dead...

Calvin on Matt 5:22

22. But I say to you. His reply is not opposed to the command of Moses, (Exodus 20:13; Leviticus 24:21; Numbers 35:16 but to the interpretation usually put upon it by the scribes. Now, as the Pharisees boasted of antiquity, (for it is always the custom to plead the prescription of a long period in defense of errors,12 ) Christ reminds the people of his authority, to which all antiquity ought justly to give way. Hence we conclude, that truth is of greater weight than custom or the number of years.

He who shall say to his brother. Christ assigns three degrees of condemnation besides the violence of the hands; which implies, that this precept of the law restrains not only the hands, but all affections that are opposed to brotherly love. "Those who shall only be angry with their brethren, or treat them with haughty disdain, or injure them by any reproach, are murderers." Now, as it is certain that the word Racha occupies an intermediate place between anger and openly reproachful language, I have no doubt that it is an interjection of contempt or disdain. Though Christ adjudges to the hell of fire none but those who break out into open reproach, we must not suppose, that he declares anger to be free from a similar punishment; but, alluding to earthly judgments, he assures them that God will judge and punish even concealed anger.13 But, as he who manifests his indignation by bitter language goes farther than this, Christ says, that that man will be held guilty by the whole heavenly council, that he may receive severer punishment.

Those, again, who break out into reproaches are adjudged to the hell of fire: which implies, that hatred, and every thing that is contrary to love, is enough to expose them to eternal death, though they may have committed no acts of violence. Ge]enna (hell) is, beyond all question, a foreign word. ayg (Ge) is the Hebrew word for a valley. Now, "the valley of Hin-nom" was infamous for the detestable superstition which was committed in it, because there they sacrificed their children to idols, (2 Chronicles 33:6.) The consequence was, that holy men, in order to excite stronger hatred of that wicked ungodliness, used it as the name for hell, that the very name might be dreaded by the people as shocking and alarming. It would appear that, in the time of Christ, this was a received way of speaking, and that hell was then called by no other name than gehenna, (ge>enna,) the word being slightly altered from the true pronunciation.