question for former non-believers

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digging tunnels
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first of all i am an atheist, and i have been all my life. my parents are buddhists (we are vietnamese) but never took me to any places of worship due to many external factors. they wanted to, but just didn't have the means of doing so. so obviously i had no religious influence growing up. so when i was about 15/16 yrs old, through many of my own observations with the people around me, school, the world's events i basically decided to live as an atheist. i don't do anything to promote my belief to anyone, i don't read atheism books; i don't do anything. overall i thought any religion was pointless and stupid.

at 23 i went for the first time ever to first baptist church in bryan with my roommates just to experience it hoping maybe things could change. i went 5 weeks straight with them. i thought the pastor and sermon were great. he delivered a good message each time and told great anecdotes, and they all impressed me each time. however i felt nothing.

from what i've seen with past friends and celebrities who were originally non-believers but now do believe, it seems to me the only reason why they changed their view was due to some tragedy (ex: loss of loved one), not being happy with how their life turned out, or just constantly getting screwed around.

i'm 26 now. i've never had a major tragedy in my life. career wise, i'm not happy, but other than that everything is great. now with recent events that just happened to me (nothing major at all), i'm considering changing my views and am very much opened to believing. my parents have just now recently visited a local buddhist temple and someone i'm seeing have affected me.

how do i open my heart? how did yall do it? i don't even know where to begin or what to look for. and how easy is this going to be for me?
Notafraid
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how do i open my heart? how did yall do it? i don't even know where to begin or what to look for. and how easy is this going to be for me?



You can’t open your heart. The Lord must open your heart to believe. Pray to Him, and ask Him to help you believe., to change your heart. The problem is that you are not neutral coming to God. You are a sinner (Just as we all are) who has lived His whole life committed to being your own God, in various ways. Even now, don’t you seek to come to Him on your own terms to some degree? In your current state, though it does not come across violently as with many atheists, you are at enmity with God, committed to your own truth, your own wisdom, your own way, your own glory, your own path, etc… Part of seeking to forsake those and come to Christ is already something you appear to be doing. It is simply called repentance - Agreeing with God that sin is sin… If you don’t understand that you are a sinner, then you will never see a need for a savior. That is the key. Ask the Lord to show you how you have sinned, or rejected Him, or if there is any impure way in you. Ask for His forgiveness. Simply put, ask Jesus to save you! Put your trust in His death on the cross, as paying for your sin, as He promises that all who have faith in Him shall be forgiven of all their sins. Once you look to Him in faith, trust in, and rest in His promises for your good, to save you, and keep you, and bring you to heaven, then you are to continually rest in those promises each day. This is the essence of Christianity.
The Lone Stranger
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Yes, NotAfraid has it. The fact that you asked the question, if you are serious, and are looking for God, instead of looking to be God, then He is there.

I did not come to God because of a tremendous personal tragedy. I came to God because, starting with His own people, He began to call me and tell me that He was God, and I was not. I came to Him, not on my terms, even though I was ignorant to a great degree about Him, but I came to Him asking for help and calling Him Lord. He is the only competent way to run your life. At the risk of being or sounding trite, I suggest that you let Him find you, instead of seeking Him.
setsmachine
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Great, great questions. One of the most genuine posts I've ever read. I think it's great that you're asking here, because there are some people here with really helpful opinions.

However, (and I know it sounds very cliche and like a cop-out) alot of what you are asking can be answered by reading the Bible, and it seems like it would come with more validity since it's the text that taught Christians like NotAfraid much of what they know. Read about Jesus's life, see what you think. Read the letters of Paul to many of the early churches and see what you think. If you don't have one or can't afford one, give me your address, no problem.
The Lone Stranger
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Another excellent idea, get into the Bible. I suggest starting with the gospel of John. And yes, you post is honest and one that we all get excited about reading.
Yahoodie
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Keep searching. There is more than one way. Talk to your Buddist parents and ask them for some guidance. At this juncture of your life, and with a clean slate religion-wise, I suggest you keep an open mind. Organized religion doesn't work for everyone. I'll just say this. Everything you need is within you now. You just have to find it. And the key to finding it is by letting go, or by forgiving, because in order to experience the feeling that you are seeking, you must remove some of the obstacles which our conscious mind or ego presents.
BizAg01
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I also suggest the book called "The Idiots Guide to World Religions". It should help you narrow down those religions which may be completely off task with your beliefs while exposing you to unbiased information on most of them. I have read it and I think it has a lot of interesting facts about all of them in a condensed format.

Yahoodie - You are right on.

Digging Tunnels - Don't stop at the first one you come across, you can only regret this decision in the end. Only after a thorough review of all of the religions that you agree with can you be confident in your decision.

LoneStranger - I am confused why anyone would consider themself God if they were an Atheist.

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Heretic
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Here is how conversion works if your really interested. Don't get fooled by the Love Bomb

http://changingminds.org/techniques/conversion/conversion.htm

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Notafraid
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Our last three posters of course: Yahoodie, BizAg01, Heretic, have their own “anti-Christian” views, and agendas…

Redstone
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God's followers/believers frequently screw things up. It is best to let the Bible speak for itself (I would say the same thing about one of the big intra-Christian debates on this board, that between RC and Protestants - let the Church speak for itself, and the other organization).

In any event, why not be openminded, and begin with the Gospel of John?

These were actual people of history - one of my favorite historical notes is Malta and pockets of western India - the Christian traditions of Paul and Thomas in those places as actual visitors there are very, very ancient, and strong as historical events. Why would they risk there lives to travel to the ends of the known world? What did they see?
digging tunnels
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And the key to finding it is by letting go, or by forgiving, because in order to experience the feeling that you are seeking, you must remove some of the obstacles which our conscious mind or ego presents.


this is step #1 for me. how do i sacrifice 10+ years of beliefs i'm so adamant about? i see the world from a realist point of view - things that just make sense. and i don't ever judge people for their personal beliefs, regardless if it's religiously moral or not. i accept people for who they are and i don't care if they are in the minority or majority, something i feel many religious people don't seem to understand
BizAg01
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Of course NotAfraid is afraid to look at other religions and wants you to do the same. He prefers to call those who aren't Christian "wrong". He is exactly what you and most other Christians on this board would hope you wouldn't become.

Non-tolerant and Ignorant.
digging tunnels
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bizag01 that is exactly my point right there. regardless of what decide to be, i will NEVER say another religion is wrong
Notafraid
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dt

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this is step #1 for me. how do i sacrifice 10+ years of beliefs i'm so adamant about? i see the world from a realist point of view - things that just make sense. and i don't ever judge people for their personal beliefs, regardless if it's religiously moral or not. i accept people for who they are and i don't care if they are in the minority or majority, something i feel many religious people don't seem to understand



You don’t need to concern yourself with other people at this point. You need to be concerned with your Relationship with Christ. Are you sure you need a savior? Because that is what Christ is a savior. Do you see yourself as a sinner in need of salvation?


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bizag01 that is exactly my point right there. regardless of what decide to be, i will NEVER say another religion is wrong


This is a noble thing of you to do, to not judge for yourself what is right and wrong, but never say never. If God says that something is right or wrong, then you should trust that.
Yahoodie
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digging tunnels, it is a process and it has already begun with you. Intuitively, you know there is something more than what you are aware of presently. For most of us, it doesn't happen overnight. My beliefs are probably somewhat controversial amongst some here, but that doesn't mean I'm anti-Christian as someone remarked. I'll just leave you with this: there is a remarkable source of wisdom within us all that we're given at birth. This source is always with you and will never abandon you. It is the essence of your soul and our creator has provided us with this gift.
BizAg01
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I know that Notafraid is claiming to have the best and only Kool Aide, but he is the same type of person that believes that Buddha is a deity.

Notafraid, calm down. Wouldn't you rather DT find Christianity through education and experience of this and other religions rather than be feared into it? Ultimately this would make a confident believer instead of a fearful follower.
BizAg01
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This is a noble thing of you to do, to not judge for yourself what is right and wrong, but never say never. If God says that something is right or wrong, then you should trust that.



BTW God talks directly to Notafraid, so if you need to know the right and wrong of anything just ask him. So unfortunatly you will need to address all other religions outside of Christianity as wrong from here on out if he is to be your tutor.

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The Lone Stranger
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diggine tunnels, obviously, people have different takes on what you are seeking. I do not feel a need or intense desire to convince you that I am right. What I would emphasize is this: Carefully weigh what each of us say. Who seems to care? Who is biting, and seems to be axe grinding? Who seems to have the attitude that what they have is so good that they want others to have it, also.

Keep searching, but in the quiet of your heart and mind, let God "speak"(I say speak because I don't have a better verb.) to you about Himself. I am not trying to convert you; God call those to Himself; it's not my job. But, honestly, when He called me, I followed, and to say it has changes my life is an almost infinite understatement.

I won't give you that "come to Jesus and all your problems will be solved crap." But, being one with Him has changed my ability to live through and with all the problems that we all face simply by being humans.
campies
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I heard something interesting from my college minister a couple of weeks ago that I think might apply. It is long but worthwhile.

It involved the idea of faith and certainty regarding absolute truth in relation to salvation and the nature of God. Our minister described how growing up, he remembered praying his prayer of salvation over and over, wondering if he was truly saved, and worrying that he might find other religions that would contradict his faith but somehow make more sense, and it became a real struggle to have any feeling of certainty regarding the matter. However, in discussing his struggles with one of his mentors, he learned something very peaceful and relavent to his situation. His mentor explained to him, Brandon, that knowing truth and being saved is a position; a state of being that either is, or is not. Like integars in mathematics, the place that is occupied by the number 5, cannot be occupied by anything else. Its unambiguous. And the same is true with faith. If absolute truth exists(which we should all agree does, otherwise the coherency of this conversation, logic, and all other reasoning is not only asinine, its meaningless), and we as people have the ability to know it, you dont'have to worry about whether you know truth, because the whole thing isn't up to you anyway. This obviously begs the question, "what the heck is my role in it then?" and in that, the simple answer is, we have the opportunity to know God and know true with certainty because true is knowledge and knowledge is a position. It either is or is not.

It is not contigent upon feelings or semantics. Now, from an intellectual perspective, thats not to say that you shouldn't earnestly investigate the sources of truth in this world to decide which direction to follow; clearly you should, as God calls us to love Him with all our heart AND all our mind. But you should understand that if you are searching truly with an open heart and mind that God promises you will be found by Him. In that, you will also see that it is in Him that you were saved by grace, and hence its nothing you can do or CANNOT do that affects that. I stress your choice involving what "direction" to pursue, because it is ultimately God that calls and opens your heart, and not dependent on you in finding truth; God found You! It is also not up to you or your understanding that governs your self worth or your salvation, as it is by faith in Christ, and God's good work in us. The interesting part of all of this is God allows us with our rational minds and free will to choose whether or not to invest ourselves with faith in God's work in our lives. Based on a compilation of observations about the amazing order, precision, and purpose of the world around us, as well as our desire/need for love and relationship, with an understanding of our own shortcomings, we make a decision on whether or not to follow Him in mind and body for the purpose of glorifying that which He is worthy of. And That's amzing. Like many things in this life, I don't quite understand it but its indisputably evident and real.

But our God is complex and awesome, as has been displayed throughout the earth and its creatures, and so the questions and problems in this life are complex and awesome, therefore an informed, intelligent perspective is important. But don't lose sight of the balance between the heart, mind and actions as it relates to your faith. An imbalance in any of them, such as hyper-spiritualizing or over analyzing-intellectually can lead you away from where you need to be. Similiarly, blind faith, i.e. faith without substance, dead faith- faith w/o works, or imparitial faith- works w/o faith, each is a diversion from truth and seeing things clearly, even for devoted Christ followers.

But I think this whole idea of position in Christ and the "positions" of all things true is really what underscores true faith, and seperates Christianity from other world religions. Like in math, integars are great examples of what it looks like for something to have a place to be filled by one thing and nothing else, and additionally similar in math analogous to religion, I believe it was C.S. Lewis that wrote that if one way is true then it follows that other ways are not. And like in mathematics, there is one correct solution to a given problem, and there are many incorrect ones, however, some are "more correct" than others. I think this is the way to look at world religions, and the way I see it is, all the predominant faiths in the world(Christianity, Judiasm, Islam, Buhhdihsm, Hindu, even Atheism) recognize an imperfect world, a utopian goal, and the desire of man to commune with it. However, in my opinion, this is where Christianity steps forward, and the others do not. It offers a benevolent and active God that first makes the attempt to meet man, and not the other way around, and converges the religious significance of the natural world, intellectual enlightenment, and faithful devotion(elements that all religions use to signify truth) contingent upon the one thing that we as humans identify most assuredly with: a loving relationship. That more than anything is what it's all about. It demands a personal involvement/commitment in relation to the physical and intellectual aspects of faith that the others do not. That personal relationship is based on the understanding and belief in a loving and involved creator whom either does, or does not exist- Whom do you say that He is? That's the real question: whether or not God is real and validated Himself and his Word through Christ's death on the cross, and His resurrection, or whether thats just a hoax of an idea thats managed to survive and claim truth for over 2000 years. Its not about names, or labels, being a "Christian" or doing religious acts; those are things of man. But its about a relationship between you and your Savior. That's it. We're relational beings, whom God has placed in our hearts a desire to know Him in love, which is something we can all relate to.

In spite of everything though, my advice to those searching for truth in this regard would be something that a friend told me once that I've been learning lately; God accomplishes His purposes in his children especially in those that pursue Him, but as well in those in spite of whom do not. It's up to us whether or not we want to be a part of the journey. Pray to Him and ask Him to reveal Himself to you, and you can be sure that He will. (Jeremiah 29:14)

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muster ag
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Or you could just research all this and then decide to continue living a normal life. Keeping an open mind and analyzing as much info on other religions beside the dominant one in your community is paramount. One of the reasons I am an atheist is observing how mutually exclusive most of the religions are and how they all have the same claim and the same amount credibility.
digging tunnels
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However, in my opinion, this is where Christianity steps forward, and the others do not. It offers a benevolent and active God that first makes the attempt to meet man, and not the other way around


such a powerful statement. despite my non-beliefs, i've always thought things do occur for a reason. and with my recent events, that statement may be applying right now.
Bulldog73
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digging tunnels, I congratulate you on you search for Truth. Learning that there is so much more to life than what you can see and feel and even reason out is a truly liberating experience. Suspecting that some things are more important than pursuing momentary pleasure, that there is indeed a meaning to life, is a great first step to losing the chains which bind you into nihilism's despair.

As a Christian, I strongly advocate reading the Bible to explore the great Truth which resides there (and imo nowhere else). But even knowledge of Truth, without relationship to its author, may also seem devoid of the life to which you aspire. For that, I would advocate prayer. It need not be formal or structured, but it should be real. Ask God to reveal Himself to you, and to draw you to Him. If you do this with sincerity, I believe He will show Himself to you and a new world will be revealed to you. Because I truly believe that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him.
The Lone Stranger
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D.T., I also suggest that you talk to friends at work, at play, anywhere you can. There are others around that can do a face-to-face with you. Typing is incognito, and has a tendencey to be a bit dry and dead.
digging tunnels
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so i told my students about finding god. one of them gave me a bible yesterday. and this sunday i will be attending a nondenominational church.
Notafraid
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digging tunnels,

That's great... Now you are a teacher and a student!... I'd suggest you read the book of John, Romans, Ephesians, Colossians, Hebrews, Psalms, etc... Also, do some praying, and ask the Lord to lead you, and teach you...
BizAg01
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Good start DT. Let us know how it turned out.
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