In reply to Quad Dog Mhm. These tests you describe aren't judging our assumptions per se but the utility of the models that our assumptions make up or contribute to. Every experience using these models is either a reaffirming or recalcitrant experience for the model. When something has a lot of reaffirming experience, we eventually stop intentionally subjecting it to adverse tests and start using it as a solid basis for a new model.

Don't let him make you answer questions about all of ontology to justify your scientific models as "true". Cuz they're not - you'll just lose. Haha.

In reply to Martin Q. Blank To call incredibly well verified models in years outside of direct observation pure faith is in a *******ized characterization. Using "faith" for evidence based belief is just flat dishonest.

You've got a model demonstrated as accurate by many other models and methods countless times and you consider relying on that method "pure faith"

If I create a steel beam shape somewhat different than any previously used or tested and analyze it based on beam theory am I relying on pure faith?

In reply to Aggrad08 No, are you saying designing a new beam that we can see and touch is the same as "this sediment later is 50 million years old and anyone who questions my models is a flat earther"?

In reply to Aggrad08 How were the other models validated?

In reply to Martin Q. Blank Why does the age matter? Why does touching matter (you can touch the sediment if you like I'm not sure how you feel it's only 6k years old)? And questioning is fine, it's just you ask stupid questions or ones that have been addressed ages ago. Do the laws of physics depend on people seeing and touching.

In reply to Zobel Some, like dendrochronology, varve chronology and rapidly decaying isotopes can be tested in short time periods that can be measured through direct observation.

At a certain point you are left accepting the accuracy or denying stopwatches capable of accurately measuring time are possible

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How were the other models validated?

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Observe
Form hypothesis
Test hypothesis

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

I can't prove that science works, but pretty much the whole modern world stands as evidence that it probably does

In reply to Aggrad08 I was being facetious.

I was confused by what bouncing balls on hammers was supposed to do for you.

Part of me was laughing through the entire thing.

"Here, let's run this experiment with a gyroscope to prove the earth isn't going to rotate 15 degrees every hour....Dangit! Okay, let's encase the gyroscope in various materials until we get the results we want....Uh, let's just not tell anyone about this." Then, "hey, we can prove the earth isn't curved by shooting a laser down this waterway a few miles. Since it's not curved, we'll see the light appear at the same level as at the source....Dangit! It's not working right!...Weeds, it's the weeds getting in the way!"

But then part of me was just sad for them. They are clearly people who are looking for a sense of belonging. But at that scientist happy hour near the end of the film, I agree with what the one physicist said about how mocking them isn't the right approach, which admittedly is very hard to refrain from. He applauded their inquisitive minds, but they were clearly led down horribly ignorant paths. It's just sad to witness, especially when it results in broken relationships.

Many of the followers of conspiracies like this aren't really in it for social relationships. It's more about feeling superior and thinking they know something big that others don't.

Your job sucks, your life sucks, you have no real meaning, but this enticing idea, if true would mean that you were in on something big that all those around you that are enjoying life have no clue about.

Or you are an NBA player that smokes too much weed.

It's weird reading this thread on the politics board, because the 9/11 truthers sound very similar to the flat-earthers. A bunch of youtube links, calling reputable scientific sources "jokes", and claims that "I once believed like you, but I did some research and my eyes were opened".

In reply to PacifistAg There was a thread about a month ago were someone was seriously saying that there was no proof of the Holocaust. The good news is that he was alone on that hill.

In reply to Duncan Idaho Oh, I think I saw that. Disturbing, to say the least.

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Part of me was laughing through the entire thing.

But then part of me was just sad for them. They are clearly people who are looking for a sense of belonging. But at that scientist happy hour near the end of the film, I agree with what the one physicist said about how mocking them isn't the right approach, which admittedly is very hard to refrain from. He applauded their inquisitive minds, but they were clearly led down horribly ignorant paths. It's just sad to witness, especially when it results in broken relationships.

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They should be mocked...incessantly

In reply to West Point Aggie If they didn't insist on obnoxiously spamming everything space flight related, and constantly being obnoxious ****s about it, I would say domt shame them....

But, they don't. It's a new fad, of the late 30s-40s male internet nerd population ESPECIALLY, to be a flat earther, and constantly blather about it on every social platform there is. They're worse than vegans and anti-vaccers, while being more aggressive than Westboro Baptist.

OP, I'd never even heard of Texas Independence Day, and I've lived here all my life. Maybe it's because I'm used to Texans celebrating doing something, and not writing documents.

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OP, I'd never even heard of Texas Independence Day, and I've lived here all my life. Maybe it's because I'm used to Texans celebrating doing something, and not writing documents.

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But you've heard of San Jacinto Day...right?

Did you not take Texas History in Junior high?

Yes, as my post implies, April 21st is Texas Independence Day. And 1836 is the real year of statehood. Not our problem if the US was too afraid to add another state...because of a war with Mexico...? War with Mexico is an opportunity, not an obstacle.

Hmm. Okay.

Spreadsheet updated to not invite you to the 4th of July BBQ.

Sorry, man. Just a lifelong Texan... Don't need boots, or rodeos, or post-1985 country music. Maybe I'll have a beer on March 2nd, but it won't be a Lone Star.

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Sorry, man. Just a lifelong Texan... Don't need boots, or rodeos, or post-1985 country music. Maybe I'll have a beer on March 2nd, but it won't be a Lone Star.

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Just curious... where I would rank on your scale of "Texanness"?

where does a life long, At least 5th generation Texan ( not sure how far back we go but it's a ways back) boot wearing, metal head who doesn't do rodeos or hardly any country music, likes Lone star and celebrates not only San jacinto day (4/21) but also Texas Independence Day (3/2). I was taught the distinction in middle school and always considered the date of declaration our Independence Day and San Jacinto day a the finality of the declaration.

Do you consider american independence to start on the date of the declaration (7/4) or after battle of Yorktown (9/28) or when treaty of paris was signed (9/3)?

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This thread sure was predictable.

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Username checks out.

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94chem said:

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Sorry, man. Just a lifelong Texan... Don't need boots, or rodeos, or post-1985 country music. Maybe I'll have a beer on March 2nd, but it won't be a Lone Star.

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Just curious... where I would rank on your scale of "Texanness"?

where does a life long, At least 5th generation Texan ( not sure how far back we go but it's a ways back) boot wearing, metal head who doesn't do rodeos or hardly any country music, likes Lone star and celebrates not only San jacinto day (4/21) but also Texas Independence Day (3/2). I was taught the distinction in middle school and always considered the date of declaration our Independence Day and San Jacinto day a the finality of the declaration.

Do you consider american independence to start on the date of the declaration (7/4) or after battle of Yorktown (9/28) or when treaty of paris was signed (9/3)?

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You're a great Texan. Congrats on going to middle school 10 years after me.

In reply to [removed post] I wasn't talking from a moral standpoint, just from how obnoxiously vocal and aggressive they are. Agree whole heartedly they're not as damaging or dangerous, but the flat earther/moon hoaxer/space hoaxer crowd is insanely vocal lately.

The producers of this documentary on Netflix really did a good job of subtly pointing out Flat-Earther's mistakes (cognitive bias, confirmation bias, & failed experiments). Overall I enjoyed the show and learning a little bit more about those people.

In reply to Zobel That's surprising, because the poster was clearly someone who believes in flat earth. Given that this is a flat earth thread, it would be nice to be able to discuss it with the person. Granted, the long post sounded more like what you'd see on the Q Anon thread on Forum 16, but I'm sure some enjoyable and respectful back and forth could have taken place. Specifically with our more scientific posters.

But, it also appears that mods are cleaning things up around here, and that post may have been caught in the crossfire as it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that it could quickly devolve.

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That's surprising, because the poster was clearly someone who believes in flat earth. Given that this is a flat earth thread, it would be nice to be able to discuss it with the person. Granted, the long post sounded more like what you'd see on the Q Anon thread on Forum 16, but I'm sure some enjoyable and respectful back and forth could have taken place. Specifically with our more scientific posters.

But, it also appears that mods are cleaning things up around here, and that post may have been caught in the crossfire as it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that it could quickly devolve.

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that poster went around a permaban.

In reply to Furlock Bones Ah okay. Thanks for clarifying.