S - Ancient Girl's Parents Were Two Different Human Species

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PacifistAg
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Ancient Girl's Parents Were Two Different Human Species

Fascinating stuff.
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The data was telling her that the roughly 90,000-year-old flake of bone she had tested was from a teenager that had a Neanderthal mom and Denisovan dad.
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After running tests on six samples in all, the results always came out the same: The bone had nearly equal amounts of DNA from a Neanderthal and a Denisovan.
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Further study showed that the Denisovans were a sister group of the Neanderthals, splitting from a common ancestor some 390,000 years ago. They likely lived until around 40,000 years ago, around the time when Neanderthals were also starting to fade away.

But many questions remain. What did they look like? How many where there? Did they only live around this single Siberian cave? The problem is that Denisovan remains are exceedingly scarce. Everything scientists know about them has been extracted from scanty tracesjust three teeth and a pinkyof four Denisovan individuals all found in the same cave.
Duncan Idaho
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Fake news.

The Bible talks about kinds. As long as they were the same phylum, it is all good./answers in Genesis
Athanasius
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Was she able to communicate her genes to another generation?
BusterAg
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Athanasius said:

Was she able to communicate her genes to another generation?
This is actually an important and interesting question. With so little evidence of their existence, are we sure this was a viable sub-species?
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This does not sound like a ******ed fish/frog...
Sapper Redux
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BusterAg said:

Athanasius said:

Was she able to communicate her genes to another generation?
This is actually an important and interesting question. With so little evidence of their existence, are we sure this was a viable sub-species?


We know Homo sapiens and Neanderthals viably mated and had fertile offspring. Denosovians and Neanderthals were more closely related to each other than us, so it would seem likely that the child could reproduce.
Sapper Redux
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Duncan Idaho said:

Fake news.

The Bible talks about kinds. As long as they were the same phylum, it is all good./answers in Genesis


They're all the same species. A human is a human. The Neanderthals just hit their heads a lot and looked funny because of it. /agbeliever
Duncan Idaho
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Dr. Watson said:

Duncan Idaho said:

Fake news.

The Bible talks about kinds. As long as they were the same phylum, it is all good./answers in Genesis


They're all the same species. A human is a human. The Neanderthals just hit their heads a lot and looked funny because of it. /agbeliever

They hit their heads so much because they were so lazy. Right?
Solo Tetherball Champ
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Dr. Watson said:

Duncan Idaho said:

Fake news.

The Bible talks about kinds. As long as they were the same phylum, it is all good./answers in Genesis


They're all the same species. A human is a human. The Neanderthals just hit their heads a lot and looked funny because of it. /agbeliever


I think this was the premise of a Futurama episode
Win At Life
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Dr. Watson said:

BusterAg said:

Athanasius said:

Was she able to communicate her genes to another generation?
This is actually an important and interesting question. With so little evidence of their existence, are we sure this was a viable sub-species?


We know Homo sapiens and Neanderthals viably mated and had fertile offspring. Denosovians and Neanderthals were more closely related to each other than us, so it would seem likely that the child could reproduce.
Well then, doesn't this mean they are the same species?

Vastly different looks, but vastly different looking dogs are also the same species.
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Isn't this just back to the "kinds" discussion?
ramblin_ag02
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I would guess so. There are people that contain Denisovian or Neanderthal DNA, and some with both. So we know either could reproduce with modern humans and produce fertile offspring. It would make sense for the same to be true regarding each other
BusterAg
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ramblin_ag02 said:

I would guess so. There are people that contain Denisovian or Neanderthal DNA, and some with both. So we know either could reproduce with modern humans and produce fertile offspring. It would make sense for the same to be true regarding each other


OK, that is pretty interesting. Any idea what percentage and the geographic spread of people with Denisoban DNA? I'm intrigued now.
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ramblin_ag02
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Maybe this will help

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/03/160328133514.htm
Sapper Redux
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Win At Life said:

Dr. Watson said:

BusterAg said:

Athanasius said:

Was she able to communicate her genes to another generation?
This is actually an important and interesting question. With so little evidence of their existence, are we sure this was a viable sub-species?


We know Homo sapiens and Neanderthals viably mated and had fertile offspring. Denosovians and Neanderthals were more closely related to each other than us, so it would seem likely that the child could reproduce.
Well then, doesn't this mean they are the same species?

Vastly different looks, but vastly different looking dogs are also the same species.


No. While sexual incompatibility is a traditional hallmark for defining a species, it's not the only way to determine these things. Granted, how we define a species is always up for debate since we've arbitrarily placed a label on a process that doesn't always label well.
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