Hebrew design in Mesoamerica: Temples match

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Cold Steel
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Found this article interesting. Not proof, but interesting non-the-less.

Hebrew design in Mesoamerica: Temples match

By Michael De Groote
Mormon Times
Published: 2009-10-18 00:15:20

It probably isn't too surprising to learn that the tabernacle of Moses and the Temple of Solomon have the same proportions. They all came from the same culture, after all.

But what if temple complexes in Mesoamerica matched those same architectural proportions?

Archaeologist F. Richard Hauck researched the shapes of ancient Hebrew sacred space. Relying on the work of Asher Kaufman, Hauck learned that the tabernacle of Moses and Solomon's temple both used cubit measurements of 43.7 centimeters and 42.8 centimeters in their construction. The building's spaces -- such as the Holy of Holies, sanctuaries, outer walls and other rooms -- were also proportionally related. Solomon's Temple was twice the size of the tabernacle, yet it kept the same ratios of width and length.

Even the Ark of the Covenant matched those proportions on a much smaller scale.

Hauck told participants of the seventh annual Book of Mormon Lands Conference, held Saturday, Oct. 17 in Salt Lake City, about his examination of the temple complex at the ruins of Izapa in Mexico. He plotted out the spatial relationships of Izapa’s various buildings and pyramids along various lines. He discovered that, like the Hebrew sacred spaces in the Old World, Izapa architects used cubit measurements of 43.7 centimeters and 42.8 centimeters.

Then, one day, as he worked on recreating architectural drawings of Solomon's temple, Hauck said he felt inspired to compare the proportions of the Temple of Solomon with the shapes in the Izapa ruins.

They matched.

In the same way that the temple of Solomon was a larger version of Moses' tabernacle, the Izapa temple complex was aligned with the same proportions -- only 15 times larger than Solomon's temple. There was a direct correlation, according to Hauck, to Izapa's mounds and plazas with the tabernacle and Solomon's temple.

"They were all built on the same model," Hauck said.

From the cloth and wood tabernacle, to the stone temple of Solomon, to the huge complex of buildings in Izapa, there was a correlation in size, according to Hauck. "The measurements system used to design Izapa, and the basic architecture in Izapa were copied directly from sacred architecture employed by Moses and Solomon."
http://www.mormontimes.com/studies_doctrine/research_discoveries/?linkTrack=mtEmail&id=11256

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ShootBoyDang
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quote:
The measurements system used to design Izapa, and the basic architecture in Izapa were copied directly from sacred architecture employed by Moses and Solomon."


Considering that the religions of the mediteranian and the religions of south america are based on astrology and astrological events, and that the same astrological events influenced both societies, there is going to be similarities in both societies. Common Measuring distances isn't a hard one to be similar. This evidence does not point to the direct copy of one architcture from the other, but rather they both are based on the same astrological events. The same constelations appear in the Isreal sky as well as the Incan sky. This is coincidence has been spun to fit morman theology.
El Sid
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The fact is simply that most buildings, in ancient times were either perfect squares, or rectangles of 2:1 proportion. This evidence can be seen from the pyramids of Egypt to temples in China, and even structures in Mesoamerica. Does that mean that all of these people are culturally connected? Absolutely NOT.

What would be good evidence to link Mesoamerica construction to that of the Middle-East, would be use and function of their respective structures. Is there any plausible link between the temple of Solomon and the structures of Mesoamerica? Certainly not. Ancient American religious customs show no similarities to the Abrahamic religions of Palestine.

Temples of Izapa were used primarily for burial tombs and rituals that involved cutting hearts out of living virgins. Where in the Book of Mormon can you read about those practices? Izapa was home to at least two ball courts, a traditional practice associated with the Mayan people, that is not mentioned anywhere in the Book of Mormon. Additionally the stelae of Izapa include pictograms of jaguars, feathered serpents, and violence between multiple deities. There is no such reference to anything resembling these in the Book of Mormon. Furthermore, the people of Izapa used the 260 day Mayan calendar, for which there is also no mention in the Book of Mormon; and there is no evidence of seven day weeks, which was the practice of Judaism and the alleged family of Lehi.

What about the founding of the city of Izapa? Is there any plausible archeological link between the construction of these Mesoamerican cities and the peoples of the Book of Mormon? Again, no. From Wikipedia: “several archaeologists have theorized that Izapa may have been settled as early as 1500 BCE, making it as old as the Olmec sites of San Lorenzo Tenochtitlán and La Venta.” Izapa could not possibly be a Nephite city, since there were no Nephite cities in the Promised Land until after 590 BCE. Even then, Nephite cities could not have grown to the size of Izapa for at least a couple hundred years. If the settlers of Izapa founded the city around 1500 BCE, they would have pre-dated both Moses and Solomon. The people of this area would have no knowledge whatsoever of the Middle-Eastern tabernacles and temples, if they existed as the Bible claims. Where did all these Mesoamerican people come from? Certainly not Jerusalem, since they had established their civilizations long before Jerusalem was built.



A horse is a horse, of course, of course, unless it's a Book of Mormon horse!
shiftyandquick
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I merely want to point out that the BoM refers to peoples before the Nephites. The Jaredites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaredites

I am not aware of any archaeological evidence of the existence of the Jaredites however. I merely point out that the timeline extends further back than 600 B.C.
Huktaz04
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Mormons
El Sid
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Shifty, didn't the imaginary Jaredites supposedly venture to the Americas long before Israel's captivity in Egypt, much less the creation of Solomon's Temple? And didn't they all supposedly die out prior to the Nephites' arrival?

[This message has been edited by El Sid (edited 10/20/2009 9:44p).]
shiftyandquick
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The Jaredites, it is written, were originally of the era of the Tower of Babyl. Whenever that was.

Did the Nephite and Jaredite civilizations interface in the Book of Mormon. Yes, in the Book of Ether, in the form of Coriantumur.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriantumr

Also, the architecture of temples need not be physically copied from another structure, if you believe that God himself directed plans for them. Could God tell two different peoples to build temples, without the two peoples ever meeting?

I do not provide external proof of the Book of Mormon. I am merely providing context for what the Book of Mormon claims to be. It is not merely the record of one people.
ShootBoyDang
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The architecture of these places are unrelated. Even IF god exists, he didn't instruct both civilizations to make their temples the same. They worshiped different gods different ways.
shiftyandquick
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Here's a question for diamond: do modern day Mormon temples have the same dimensions as those talked about by the OP?
diamond4
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I don't know but I will find out. We have a new generation of builders obviously and the restoration would take into account different requirements in later times.
boboguitar
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thanks staff

[This message has been edited by boboguitar (edited 10/22/2009 12:03a).]
boboguitar
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As for the OP, I'll wait for it to be published.
jrodwh00p
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you are right - it is NOT proof.
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