Jesus is the Most Quoted Prophet in the Quran...

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ha ha only Sirius
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Yet so many Christians and Muslims have been brainwashed by their respective religions and political ideologues to hate each other.

How is this possible?

Have we been manipulated -- divided, in order to be conquered?

If so, who would benefit from this manipulation?

Finally, can we overcome our primitive, tribalistic drives to slaughter each other?
txag007
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I think you are 1 forum off with this post.
Lurking For So Long
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Jesus is also the most quoted biblical figure Doobie Brothers songs.
Texas Yarddog
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But the Doobie Brothers don't inspire people to kill others.

it inspires people to relax and grove.

[This message has been edited by Texas Yarddog (edited 12/30/2008 12:42p).]
aggie93
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I believe that Islam actually has 4 Prophets. Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed. Islam considers Jews and Christians "People of the Book".

Unfortunately the religion has been so badly manipulated by fringe groups that is often lost. Good thing no Christians or Jews ever take the Bible or Talmud out of context to further their own agenda that has little to do with their religion.
99 Luftballoons Ag
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JESUS WAS A DEMOCRAT!!!!!
MarathonAg03
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Immortal Technique?
Fumbleruski
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How is this possible?


Major theological differences exist between the two and it's not limited to "ways to be kind and loving in the world". It's more like how God views man, how man is saved, was Christ divine or was he a prophet. To people who are deeply spiritual these are MAJOR issues.

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Have we been manipulated -- divided, in order to be conquered?


Yes and no. Historically, groups/individuals on each side have used the actions and beliefs of the other to manipulate conflict. This is how it has always been though out history. Whether it is religion, scientific discovery, ethnicity, wealth/status, politics man will always find a way to use the passions of other groups to create conflict.

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If so, who would benefit from this manipulation?


In the end, no one. Both lose loved ones and possession. This conflict hurts trade as much as it does people.

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Finally, can we overcome our primitive, tribalistic drives to slaughter each other?


Apart from God, no. Man will always strive to kill himself for his own interests. The only man made thing that REALLY talks is money. If you make it too expensive and economically costly (i.e. globalization) for one group to attack the other, then you have something that resembles a chance. Sorry, but that's the way it is.
yesno
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ha ha only XM
ben03
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I believe that Islam actually has 4 Prophets. Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed. Islam considers Jews and Christians "People of the Book".
Right, Islam considers Jews and Christians 'people of the Book'. But it has more than four prophets. For instance, Ishmael is a prophet (as are Issac and Jacob).
NoHo Hank
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Finally, can we overcome our primitive, tribalistic drives to slaughter each other?

It's a little more complicated than that.
boboguitar
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How is this possible?


You would agree that these two religions have many more differences than say...protestants and catholics. Yet, before the 20th century, there was still a huge anti-catholic sentemit in the old world and in America. Obviously, there has been killing on both sides since the protestant reformation, even today it exists in Ireland. Or look at US presidents, it took almost 200 years for the first catholic president to come into office.

My point? Religion is usually the scapegoat of a larger socio-economic and/or political problem. It doesn't take much differences between religions, or percieved differences, for another group to be "otherized."
dcAg
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Jesus was a communist not a socialist.
Guadaloop474
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If only Abraham hadn't done it with Hagar and trusted in God for an heir instead, we wouldn't have all of this mess today....
10thYrSr
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Yet so many Christians and Muslims have been brainwashed by their respective religions and political ideologues to hate each other.

How is this possible?


This is possible because each belief has come to feel that theirs is the "only way" to be with God.
Seamaster
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The original statement is completely false.

The entire Koran is Mohammed's quote. Jesus is mentioned in only an ancilary way.
primrose
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Jesus was a communist not a socialist.


He never said that the state should own everything, nor that the state should replace God.

He said "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's , and to God, the things that are God's".
Guadaloop474
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Uh, Communists hate Jesus, so how can any sane person say that Jesus was a Communist?
AgCPA
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Islam does what many others do, take what they like from the bible and leave the rest. The Quuaran was written hundreds of years after Christ. It says he is a prophet but does not recognize the Trinity, that he is God on Earth, the redemption he brought, and promotes death to those who follow him as he instructed etc.

What you have stated is hardly a reason to accept their religion as Truth or equal to Christianity. It is not. That being said, I don't advocate killing them unless it protects our nation now or in the future. That includes even you, (as part of the nation). Has little to do with religion.
AgCPA
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Jesus was a communist. What a dope...

His charges to take care of the poor were to us as individuals or the church, not the ruling government. Most related passages are from the early church, by Paul and Peter etc and stated after his departure. Again, they had to do with individual responsibility to the church and other members. It was not a form af government or the suggestion that you live in a little community farming to feed one another. They do not suggest equal rations, they recognize that "the poor will always be with us" and those blessed with the skills to earn more should see to their basic needs as Christian brothers and sisters.

[This message has been edited by AgCPA (edited 1/6/2009 3:20p).]
MartinPiller08
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Christian = Jesus is God

Muslim = Jesus is a prophet

There's the difference
IndianAggie98
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I thought Christians thought Jesus = song of God, not God Himself.

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ha ha only Sirius
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Immortal Technique?


Indeed. A line from the song 4th Branch I believe.

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Major theological differences exist between the two... To people who are deeply spiritual these are MAJOR issues.


I would say these are moreso issues for people who are deeply religious and perhaps more fixated on scripture and religious interpretation than what I consider a deeply "spiritual" relationship with the Creator of the Universe. Although there are many scriptural differences, an overwhelming amount of the religious teachings are the same.

Furthermore, all of the Abrahamic religions, as well as other religions, believe in a single, unifying God-force or oneness of spirit, although each may have a different wording to describe it. If all of these religions believe this, and it happens to be true, then isn't each collective religious image or "version" of the one God actually the same?

The frightening alternative is that there is one favored religion or race that has correctly identified the "true" God, and all of the others are imposters. This would be useful for justifying genocides, but also imply the "true" God is a trickster-God of sorts, fooling the suckers that fell for the inferior imposter gods. A natural selection framework also fits well in this context, effecting the survival of the fittest religion.

But why is it difficult for some to accept that other cultures and peoples would annoint other, different messiah(s) based on their collective needs and beliefs? It seems that since there is so much common ground within the teaching and ideals of these religions that they would be better suited to confront evil united, than divided.

"Master," said John, "we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us."

"And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us."
(Luke 9:49-50)

Many religions incorporate a fleshly human who is fully imbued with this spirit force, or actually is the same as it (trinity-in-one), referring to him as the Messiah. Christ means "annointed", and Christians have annointed Jesus as their Messiah. Muslims have annointed Mohammed as their own, and the Jews are still waiting on theirs. Similarly, Buddhists have annointed Buddha, and New Age religious believe any human has the potential to be annointed and become imbued with this supreme spiritual force. The latter has been called Christ-Consciousness by theosophists and Oprah, or cosmic consciousness by astrologers, science fiction geeks, and others.

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The entire Koran is Mohammed's quote. Jesus is mentioned in only an ancilary way.


Couldn't you also say this about the Bible, since the trinity-as-one phenomenon allows a certain substitution between Father/Jesus/Holy Spirit? Similarly, "The entire Bible is Logos' (or God the Father's) quote." who was manifest in the flesh as Jesus.

One difference is that while Christians elevate Jesus to the status of "one true god" through the trinity, Muslims do not and attribute the status of "one true god" only to Allah, considering Mohammed a prophet, messenger, and messiah but not the one true god.

Regardless, what I am trying to comprehend is how these theological differences are so much more frequently pitted against one another to justify inquisitions or holy wars, rather than overlooked in order to find common ground.

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In the end, no one. Both lose loved ones and possession. This conflict hurts trade as much as it does people.


I agree. To me, it seems that both the jihadists and the "religious right" are stuck in the same trap. They are both used as "useful idiots" for the global power elite, who stand to gain enormous profits by financing either or both sides of the wars, happily lending them both the money and propaganda to kill each other.
brownbrick
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Regardless, what I am trying to comprehend is how these theological differences are so much more frequently pitted against one another to justify inquisitions or holy wars, rather than overlooked in order to find common ground.

I agree. To me, it seems that both the jihadists and the "religious right" are stuck in the same trap. They are both used as "useful idiots" for the global power elite, who stand to gain enormous profits by financing either or both sides of the wars, happily lending them both the money and propaganda to kill each other.


Somewhat true, and Christianity has had enough wars in its passed that this argument has merit. You won't find any passages in the Bible telling the church to wipe out people because the believe differently. You have particular people groups wiped out in the old testament, but that's a little different. You also have metaphors like: "be a soldier for Christ," but again the metaphor is meant to be instructional about how you live your life, not killing others off.

On the other hand, Islam is a religion bred out of death. A truly practicing Muslim must kill those who refuse to believe.

To sum up, you may have religious right people signing up for the military to protect freedom. But if they actually know their Bible, these Christians shouldn't be signing up for the purpose of killing Muslim's because that is not good application of scripture or theology. Muslim's on the other hand are practicing good theology by killing Christians or any other infidel.
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