Billy Graham - a democrat!

1,117 Views | 15 Replies | Last: 17 yr ago by Elides
gordo97
How long do you want to ignore this user?
quote:
Though never partisan in his preaching, Billy Graham is a registered Democrat. His son expressed concern about Obama's views on abortion and gay marriage — an issue Franklin Graham raised in a meeting with the Illinois senator — saying that he and is father are conservatives who believe the Bible speaks clearly on those issues.


My friends at church always wonder how anyone can be a Christian and a democrat. They are all republicans because of gay marriage & abortion issues. Interesting article where Billy Graham seems to balance the two.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081107/ap_on_re_us/billy_graham
yesno
How long do you want to ignore this user?
How bizarre, a Christian finding balance.
gordo97
How long do you want to ignore this user?
hell officially froze over
Texas velvet maestro
How long do you want to ignore this user?
BG is trickle up
WaltonHall 89
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Anyone can be a christian and a democrat. Anyone can be a christian and a republican. Anyone can be a christian and an an athiest.

The hipocracy of the human soul knows no bounds. Anyone can be broken. Anyone can live a charmed life, never knowing pain.

There is only ONE who will judge and give LIFE eternal.

LOVE.
JW
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Followers of Christ are Christians first and only, not R or D.
Pro Sandy
How long do you want to ignore this user?
How can you be a christian and a republican? After all, the republican party is anti-god because they are against protecting his creation from pollution by not pushing for regulations to stop global warming and pushing for drilling in wildlife refuges; and they are against life, they support the death penalty and war.
Dr. Mephisto
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Well jesus does forgive all sins . . .
TxAgKuwait
How long do you want to ignore this user?
quote:
How can you be a christian and a republican? After all, the republican party is anti-god because they are against protecting his creation from pollution by not pushing for regulations to stop global warming and pushing for drilling in wildlife refuges; and they are against life, they support the death penalty and war.


quote:
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


1. Global warming? Puh-leeze. That's so 2004ish. In all truth and honesty, though, since God created Earth it has either been warming or cooling, albeit not both at the same time for the most part. My undergrad degree was Geology with a bunch of Meteorology electives. Did you ever think that maybe the Earth is warming because it is supposed to be warming, right now....and that doing something artificial to cool it off might piss God off?

2. Drilling in wildlife refuges? Sounds like a good idea to me, kiddo. Technology has advanced a bunch since the 1920s and 1930s when oil and gas activity in west Texas left it looking like, well, West Texas. One thing about polluting the environment out there.....it's not like we were harming some beautiful pristine wilderness. In all truth and honesty, though, drilling can take place nowadays and seldom does anyone leave a mess.

3. Let's see. War. I think you've been listening to Culture Club's "The War Song" too many times again. There are worse things than war. Sitting around with our thumbs in our rectums while Islamofascists destroy everything we hold dear, then impose their will (and religion) upon us strikes me as something Jesus would justify as a righteous war.

4. Death Penalty? Maybe it is not Christ-like...but wouldn't you rather shoot somebody than allow them to run off with your new toaster oven? On a more somber note, let's say some criminal broke into your momma's house, molested her, then murdered her. Sandy, are you saying you would be opposed to the death penalty for that individual?

When God said to subdue the Earth, the gave us quite a bit of latitude.

Oh, and it's okay for Christians to be democrats....as long as they don't vote for democrats.
Cyprian
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I know lots of Christians who are conservative Democratics.
Macarthur
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I believe your thinking to be backwards and antiquated.


quote:
TxAgKuwait


1. Global warming? Puh-leeze. That's so 2004ish. In all truth and honesty, though, since God created Earth it has either been warming or cooling, albeit not both at the same time for the most part. My undergrad degree was Geology with a bunch of Meteorology electives. Did you ever think that maybe the Earth is warming because it is supposed to be warming, right now....and that doing something artificial to cool it off might piss God off?


So you're a geologist and are an orthodox christian?

Also, while I tend to err on the side of global warming (climate change), I agree that the evidence is not a slam dunk on either side of the issue.

However, I think the larger issue is that those of faith have been really slow to embrace overall care of the planet. I believe the mindset of "God's taking us all away anyhow...why do we need to take care of the earth, we'll be gone soon...", to be very very harmful for future generations.


quote:
2. Drilling in wildlife refuges? Sounds like a good idea to me, kiddo. Technology has advanced a bunch since the 1920s and 1930s when oil and gas activity in west Texas left it looking like, well, West Texas. One thing about polluting the environment out there.....it's not like we were harming some beautiful pristine wilderness. In all truth and honesty, though, drilling can take place nowadays and seldom does anyone leave a mess.


I'm with you here. We need to drill.

However, it seems that each side of this issues takes an all or nothing attitude. Why can't the democrats allow drilling and attach some requirements to the oil compaines to invest a certain amount into renewalble energies. Both sides need to try and meet in the middle.

quote:
3. Let's see. War. I think you've been listening to Culture Club's "The War Song" too many times again. There are worse things than war. Sitting around with our thumbs in our rectums while Islamofascists destroy everything we hold dear, then impose their will (and religion) upon us strikes me as something Jesus would justify as a righteous war.


As has been discussed on many threads, I think our issues with them have much less to do with religion as they do us meddling in their business. Our foreign policy over the past 50 years or so have contributed greatly to why they hate us.

It's a self-rationalization on our part to try and convince ourselves that they hate us because of our freedom and all that flag waiving nonsense.

They hate us because we prop up leaders over there simply for the benefit of our commerce and have been on all sides of the bloodshed the last 50 years.

Ron Paul is a bit nutty, but he is dead on about our foreign policy:

That’s what blowback is all about. It seems like such a simple concept, but many of Ron Paul’s former opponents for the Presidency vehemently denied its validity.

They professed that what our military does abroad has no effect on how the citizens of the world feel towards us. Rudy Giuliani in particular believed that the 9/11 terrorists hated our wealth and freedom so intensely that they sacrificed their lives to prove it. (Of course, our government bombing their countries, propping up their dictators and supplying their enemies with money and weapons had nothing to do with it.)

Instead of securing our borders, we’ve been planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression. Within a few short years, we turned Iraq into the world’s leading breeding ground for terrorists. Our military is spread thin all across the planet, yet we remain involved in dangerous power plays that unnecessarily put the lives of our soldiers at risk. And we brazenly squandered the wealth of our nation as if there were no tomorrow.


quote:
4. Death Penalty? Maybe it is not Christ-like...but wouldn't you rather shoot somebody than allow them to run off with your new toaster oven? On a more somber note, let's say some criminal broke into your momma's house, molested her, then murdered her. Sandy, are you saying you would be opposed to the death penalty for that individual?


As with everything, we need to get religion out of this mess.

I love the death penalty. I have no issue with it because I have no religion to muddy the water.

I do think there are serious issues with our judicial system and how the death penalty is administered, but that's a different discussion.
gordo97
How long do you want to ignore this user?
"There are worse things than war. Sitting around with our thumbs in our rectums while Islamofascists destroy everything we hold dear, then impose their will (and religion) upon us strikes me as something Jesus would justify as a righteous war."

really? did paul lead a violent revolution against rome, or did he end up in jail bloody & beaten for preaching the gospel?

"When God said to subdue the Earth, the gave us quite a bit of latitude."

of course..... as long as it fits your personal belief and not actually what Jesus teaches.

[This message has been edited by gordanvucko (edited 11/10/2008 12:54p).]

[This message has been edited by gordanvucko (edited 11/10/2008 12:56p).]
Frok
How long do you want to ignore this user?
quote:
How bizarre, a Christian finding balance


About as bizarre as a professor finding balance.
Post removed:
by user
Ag Cynic
How long do you want to ignore this user?
quote:
My friends at church always wonder how anyone can be a Christian and a democrat.


There is such a thing as a non-evangelical Christian. Some of them even tolerate gays and women!
gordo97
How long do you want to ignore this user?
not on this board
Elides
How long do you want to ignore this user?
There are many registered Democrats, especially in the American south, who haven't voted for a Democratic presidential candidate in decades. I wouldn't put too much emphasis on Billy Graham's party affiliation.
Refresh
Page 1 of 1
 
×
subscribe Verify your student status
See Subscription Benefits
Trial only available to users who have never subscribed or participated in a previous trial.