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tylercsbn9
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Docuseries on a telemarketing company. You'd think it would be boring but not it isn't. It's like a real life workaholics. I think there will
100% be a movie in the future.
lurker76
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Those guys are unreal. One of the stories they are going to cover on the 27th hits on a guy in Vegas that was just indicted last week in Federal Court in New York. My BIL goes to Vegas regularly and reads the LVRJ and he sent me a link to the story last week, after we had talked about this show.
Pahdz
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Is this like that show Outsourced that was on NBC?

(Sadly will admit watching that and Whitney and enjoying both)
lurker76
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Nothing like Outsourced at all. This is a documentary about how scummy telemarketers are. As an example, the first company they expose is one they worked for in the 80s and 90s. The company would contract with, for example, a fire department that would perhaps raise 100 to 150k fundraising on their own, and offer to pay them 350k to use their name in raising funds. Many of the "charities" they represented were police, fire and military organizations.

Typically the results would be 10% to the "charity" that was being used and 90% to the telemarketing company. They hired ex-cons and drug addicts to make the calls, provided a script and a list of responses to use when the mark would decline. One retired lady said she paid thousands of dollars to support these efforts; and when asked if she had that kind of money, she said she had to borrow it to do so.

These people are the scum of the earth and have no souls. This series will really open your eyes to how pervasive the telemarketers are, and the depths they will go to to take money out of vulnerable peoples' pockets. If you have an older parent or grandparent, please make sure they are aware of these callers and that it is a scam.

Anecdotally, years ago my wife picked up the phone and was asked to contribute to a state police organization; when she asked them to send her information on the police organization the caller hung up. We no longer answer phone calls with unknown numbers or callers. If someone wants to talk to us, they can leave a message.
johnnyblaze36
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Pahdz said:

Is this like that show Outsourced that was on NBC?

(Sadly will admit watching that and Whitney and enjoying both)
Outsourced was freaking hilarious. It's a shame that show didn't last longer.

Started watching this last night and it is good. Don't have much to add as lurker76 summed it up all well. Hard to believe how much the telemarketers were raking in for the company founders and not even getting paid commissions but when you hire nothing but former convicts who can't get jobs elsewhere, I suppose you have all the leverage.
lurker76
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Episode 3 dropped tonight. Bottom line is, if you don't have money, don't bother with the Feds for help. These guys got an appointment with one of the senators from Connecticut that actually tried to shut down telemarketers in the 90s. He didn't want to hear anything from them, shut down the meeting, and told them to get with his aides. As soon as he left, the aides left too, only to come back a while later to tell them to leave as there were back-to-back meetings. Six months later, still no word back from the Senator. Also, don't cross the police asking why they work with sketchy companies to raise funds; you'll just get stonewalled.

If you want your money to go to a real charity, don't give a dime to anyone on the phone; check with Charity Navigator to see if it is a valid charity and how much of the donations do get to the actual charity.

Above all else, make sure your parents and grandparents are aware of these scams and don't fall for telemarketers calling for donations. Tell them to not answer the phone if they don't know the number; whoever it is can leave a message if they actually need to contact them
Counterpoint
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lurker76 said:

Episode 3 dropped tonight. Bottom line is, if you don't have money, don't bother with the Feds for help. These guys got an appointment with one of the senators from Connecticut that actually tried to shut down telemarketers in the 90s. He didn't want to hear anything from them, shut down the meeting, and told them to get with his aides. As soon as he left, the aides left too, only to come back a while later to tell them to leave as there were back-to-back meetings. Six months later, still no word back from the Senator. Also, don't cross the police asking why they work with sketchy companies to raise funds; you'll just get stonewalled.

If you want your money to go to a real charity, don't give a dime to anyone on the phone; check with Charity Navigator to see if it is a valid charity and how much of the donations do get to the actual charity.

Above all else, make sure your parents and grandparents are aware of these scams and don't fall for telemarketers calling for donations. Tell them to not answer the phone if they don't know the number; whoever it is can leave a message if they actually need to contact them

As awesome as he is, I feel like sometimes Pat makes people feel like they're getting pranked by a Sacha Baron Cohen character or something. That's how the senator was acting, at least. What a great show though. The finale was my favorite episode.
Independence H-D
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Had a friend in college who worked for an organization that had people live with their mentally and physically disabled clients. His was an autistic man who was not communicative. He screamed and grunted a lot. All of the bills and property rental were in the client's name. When anyone would call and ask for "Samuel", we knew it was a telemarketer. So, he would hand him the phone. Samuel loved it. He would scream and grunt as long as the caller would hang on. There were gut wrenching belly laughs induced.
chico
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thanks for the heads-up on this documentary - extremely good and the industry is crazier than I ever imagined.
schmendeler
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Watched the first episode and was mildly interesting in continuing. Does it get better, or was that a good proxy for what's followed?
lurker76
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I can't recommend it enough that you watch the next two episodes. It will make you want to educate everyone you know to never fall for one of these scams. They go after the most vulnerable members of our society; elderly, infirm, immigrants, using ex-cons that can't get a job anywhere else. Now they are transitioning to AI to make calls using the voices of real people they recorded, so even the ex-cons won't have a job there.
schmendeler
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Interesting, thanks
210
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Terrific documentary.

Reminded me a lot of Exit Through the Gift Shop due to the fact that the two filmmakers became the more meaningful story, at least to me.
Counterpoint
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If Bobby Moynihan doesn't play Pat in the movie about this scandal, something is wrong with the world.
BowSowy
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lurker76 said:

If you have an older parent or grandparent, please make sure they are aware of these callers and that it is a scam.
Slightly off topic, but I sometimes wonder what the scams will be like when us millennials reach old age. I doubt telemarketer or phishing scams will be as successful as they are with the current older generation. But maybe I'm wrong, maybe reaching an older age means you have less of a guard up for those sorts of things.
Counterpoint
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BowSowy said:

lurker76 said:

If you have an older parent or grandparent, please make sure they are aware of these callers and that it is a scam.
Slightly off topic, but I sometimes wonder what the scams will be like when us millennials reach old age. I doubt telemarketer or phishing scams will be as successful as they are with the current older generation. But maybe I'm wrong, maybe reaching an older age means you have less of a guard up for those sorts of things.
It's true, there was some study awhile back that showed older people are much more gullible (not just people who are currently old either). We probably won't fall for telemarketing but something else will probably come along that we trust too much.
AustinAg2K
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I watched the first episode and I guess the only thing I found surprising was how much money the people were able to get. Everything else seemed kind of predictable. If you were to ask me before watching the show, "What kind of person works as a telemarketer?" I probably would have said, "Ex-cons who have no morals and are perfectly fine lying to keep you on the phone and get your money." Maybe I'm also a little surprised these telemarketers work in the US and aren't all overseas. I didn't really find anything shocking. Is there anyone left in this world that doesn't know these things are scams?
LouisHerbertWong
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AustinAg2K said:

Is there anyone left in this world that doesn't know these things are scams?
Yep:


lurker76
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BowSowy said:

lurker76 said:

If you have an older parent or grandparent, please make sure they are aware of these callers and that it is a scam.
Slightly off topic, but I sometimes wonder what the scams will be like when us millennials reach old age. I doubt telemarketer or phishing scams will be as successful as they are with the current older generation. But maybe I'm wrong, maybe reaching an older age means you have less of a guard up for those sorts of things.
I do think that most people from younger boomers (like my wife and I) to the millennials understand that you don't answer cold calls or unknown emails. It is the safest way to avoid being scammed.at this point. Leave a message if you need to talk to me. It's also how, as a grandparent, we can avoid the scam of being told a grandchild has been in an accident/is in jail/has been kidnapped, and you need to send money immediately. If a message like that is left, you can call the grandkid or their parent to confirm any problem.
Trucker2005
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I bet movie may already be in the works. I noticed Jody Hill and Danny McBride listed as producers.
Ag_07
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BowSowy said:

lurker76 said:

If you have an older parent or grandparent, please make sure they are aware of these callers and that it is a scam.
Slightly off topic, but I sometimes wonder what the scams will be like when us millennials reach old age. I doubt telemarketer or phishing scams will be as successful as they are with the current older generation. But maybe I'm wrong, maybe reaching an older age means you have less of a guard up for those sorts of things.

I think we're already seeing it in social media bots and AI generated Instagram 'models'.
amg405
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Really solid documentary and worth the watch.
Quinn
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lurker76 said:

Nothing like Outsourced at all. This is a documentary about how scummy telemarketers are. As an example, the first company they expose is one they worked for in the 80s and 90s. The company would contract with, for example, a fire department that would perhaps raise 100 to 150k fundraising on their own, and offer to pay them 350k to use their name in raising funds. Many of the "charities" they represented were police, fire and military organizations.

Typically the results would be 10% to the "charity" that was being used and 90% to the telemarketing company. They hired ex-cons and drug addicts to make the calls, provided a script and a list of responses to use when the mark would decline. One retired lady said she paid thousands of dollars to support these efforts; and when asked if she had that kind of money, she said she had to borrow it to do so.

These people are the scum of the earth and have no souls. This series will really open your eyes to how pervasive the telemarketers are, and the depths they will go to to take money out of vulnerable peoples' pockets. If you have an older parent or grandparent, please make sure they are aware of these callers and that it is a scam.

Anecdotally, years ago my wife picked up the phone and was asked to contribute to a state police organization; when she asked them to send her information on the police organization the caller hung up. We no longer answer phone calls with unknown numbers or callers. If someone wants to talk to us, they can leave a message.
Is this what was/is going on with all those Houston PD/FD stickers on people's cars when I was at A&M? That's where my mind went when I watched the first episode. People would have years and years of those stickers on their cars.
lurker76
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The stickers were/are for the 100 club. The best I can remember, every time an HPD officer or an HFD firefighter was seriously injured or killed in the line of duty, the club would provide support to the family of that victim.

I know the donations for the families took place, as the stories were covered on the news.

There is no doubt that some people, if not most, kept the stickers on their cars to get out of a ticket in an iffy situation.

As far as I know, they don't call around for donations. If you want to "subscribe" to the club, you can get in touch with them.
Mr President Elect
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Counterpoint said:

lurker76 said:

Episode 3 dropped tonight. Bottom line is, if you don't have money, don't bother with the Feds for help. These guys got an appointment with one of the senators from Connecticut that actually tried to shut down telemarketers in the 90s. He didn't want to hear anything from them, shut down the meeting, and told them to get with his aides. As soon as he left, the aides left too, only to come back a while later to tell them to leave as there were back-to-back meetings. Six months later, still no word back from the Senator. Also, don't cross the police asking why they work with sketchy companies to raise funds; you'll just get stonewalled.

If you want your money to go to a real charity, don't give a dime to anyone on the phone; check with Charity Navigator to see if it is a valid charity and how much of the donations do get to the actual charity.

Above all else, make sure your parents and grandparents are aware of these scams and don't fall for telemarketers calling for donations. Tell them to not answer the phone if they don't know the number; whoever it is can leave a message if they actually need to contact them

As awesome as he is, I feel like sometimes Pat makes people feel like they're getting pranked by a Sacha Baron Cohen character or something. That's how the senator was acting, at least. What a great show though. The finale was my favorite episode.
Yeah, the episode were he is doing the interview with the guy while wearing sunglasses gave off major Zach Galifianakis vibes, like wtf dude. And then when he is chasing after the corrupt Houston cop with the cowboy hat, suit, and bbq; major Chris Farley vibes.

Also, when they're interviewing the guy who took down CDG, they start complaining about losing their jobs. He's like, "So, you guys were corrupt af," and they're like, "Yeah, that makes sense."

Great show, but a bit of an unintentional comedy.
Whos Juan
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I was getting more of a Tony Clifton vibe from Pat.

I have no idea why the other guy let him do so many of the interviews. I feel like they would have accomplished much more without him
Counterpoint
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Pat has gone missing again.
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