Something thats always been on my mind. I grew up to listening to those first four albums and a little of the black album.

I think it was probably an uber money grab requested on behalf of Metallica and they wanted to take their status to the next level.....but man.

Black Album...good
Load....wtf
Reload...wtf

St.Anger....lars your snare sucks

Bob Ross finally leaves and they start making better music.

Whare are y'alls thoughts?

MarathonAg12 said:

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Something thats always been on my mind. I grew up to listening to those first four albums and a little of the black album.

I think it was probably an uber money grab requested on behalf of Metallica and they wanted to take their status to the next level.....but man.

Black Album...good
Load....wtf
Reload...wtf

St.Anger....lars your snare sucks

Bob Ross finally leaves and they start making better music.

Whare are y'alls thoughts?

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But you can't say he wasn't truly passionate about Metallica..

St. Anger sucks, but I liked the others.

I do agree, Metallica hasn't been the same since Jason left.

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St. Anger sucks, but I liked the others.

I do agree, Metallica hasn't been the same since Jason left.

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Jason was the bassist for 15 years. Trujillo has been the bassist for 20 years. At some point we have to stop pining for Jason and get used to the 'new' guy.

Azariah said:

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MGS said:

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St. Anger sucks, but I liked the others.

I do agree, Metallica hasn't been the same since Jason left.

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Jason was the bassist for 15 years. Trujillo has been the bassist for 20 years. At some point we have to stop pining for Jason and get used to the 'new' guy.

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Agreed. I feel like this is one of those things people hear other people say and then parrot it for cool points or something. The actual number of people who can tell the difference between bass players sight-unseen is minuscule.

This whole argument is always silly to me. I very much prefer everything before the black album but really like a lot of the black album as well. Sonically, it was superior to everything that came before it. You can actually hear the bass on that album and the vocals are head and shoulders better.

The music before the black album is superior than anything that came after but the mix on those records was horrendous. All those songs sound infinitely better live than on the albums.

TL;DR…Bob Rock made Metallica sound better on record. It's not his fault they went a long stretch where they put out incredibly mediocre (compared to themselves) music for an extended period of time.

This just seems like the natural evolution of most bands. Almost all of my favorite bands did their best work in their first 3-4 albums. That's probably partly on their end by being at their most creative and partly on my end because of the joy of discovering a new artist.

MGS said:

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St. Anger sucks, but I liked the others.

I do agree, Metallica hasn't been the same since Jason left.

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I actually though Load was a decent album. Reload was clearly the leftover crap that didn't make the cut the first round, but not awful.

St. Anger sucked. Between the snare being out of tune and god-awful writing, it was terrible.


And Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason.

St Anger was absolutely awful, no argument from me on that one. But I liked Load and Reload, they both have some pretty good songs on them. Hero of the Day, King Nothing, Until it Sleeps, Fuel, The Memory Remains, etc.

Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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Azariah said:

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MGS said:

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St. Anger sucks, but I liked the others.

I do agree, Metallica hasn't been the same since Jason left.

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Jason was the bassist for 15 years. Trujillo has been the bassist for 20 years. At some point we have to stop pining for Jason and get used to the 'new' guy.

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Agreed. I feel like this is one of those things people hear other people say and then parrot it for cool points or something. The actual number of people who can tell the difference between bass players sight-unseen is minuscule.

This whole argument is always silly to me. I very much prefer everything before the black album but really like a lot of the black album as well. Sonically, it was superior to everything that came before it. You can actually hear the bass on that album and the vocals are head and shoulders better.

The music before the black album is superior than anything that came after but the mix on those records was horrendous. All those songs sound infinitely better live than on the albums.

TL;DR…Bob Rock made Metallica sound better on record. It's not his fault they went a long stretch where they put out incredibly mediocre (compared to themselves) music for an extended period of time.

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Well I would trade sound quality for their OG thrash

But I also totally get it from a business perspective. They finally had the cash for the best of the best equipment and producers. At that point in their career , it was time to upgrade everything. The rock scene changed so much as well.

I do appreciate Megadeth for sticking to their original sound throughout the years. I think Dave' staying in Metallica would have been legendary! But look at what Dave was able to form, one of the most popular metal bands ever. I think he had too much charisma and passion for creation that eventually he would have butted heads with Lars and James and peace out.

Azariah said:

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MGS said:

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St. Anger sucks, but I liked the others.

I do agree, Metallica hasn't been the same since Jason left.

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Jason was the bassist for 15 years. Trujillo has been the bassist for 20 years. At some point we have to stop pining for Jason and get used to the 'new' guy.

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Yeah....but it's been a forgettable 20 years.

Nothing they have done since Jason left is iconic or, at the least, of remark.

Jason packed it in because he knows he can't physically bring what is necessary to play those songs like they need to be played, he is very candid about that. But looking at the other 3 guys, they are still trying to churn out an album made by late middle-aged men who haven't been hungry in 35 years. It doesn't have bite. It seldom has tempo. When I listened to their newest album, I could absolutely anticipate where the song was going or what they would do at the bridge. (I get it AC/DC and RHCP do the same thing, they make their music their way, and for commercial purposes, so I can't fault them, it is their musical brand.) But with a fresh album I kinda want a fresh sound. And it feels like all the creative juice has been squeezed out of the turnip.

MarathonAg12 said:

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Well I would trade sound quality for their OG thrash

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Same, but had Bob Rock produced those thrash albums they would have sounded even better…like they do live. I'll never forget my first Metallica concert and hearing all those songs live…they blew my mind. So much better than the albums sonically.

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I do appreciate Megadeth for sticking to their original sound throughout the years. I think Dave' staying in Metallica would have been legendary! But look at what Dave was able to form, one of the most popular metal bands ever. I think he had too much charisma and passion for creation that eventually he would have butted heads with Lars and James and peace out.

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I finally saw Megadeth last year open for FFDP. Wish I wouldn't have waited so long (Dave is pretty rough these days) but it was still awesome.

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This just seems like the natural evolution of most bands. Almost all of my favorite bands did their best work in their first 3-4 albums. That's probably partly on their end by being at their most creative and partly on my end because of the joy of discovering a new artist.

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Yeah…I mean it makes sense and isn't unique to Metallica. You prepare your entire musical life for the first 1-2 albums…of course they'll usually be superior to what you churn out every few years afterwards.

This thread has me counting down the days until August. Taking customers to Metallica/Pantera.

Just now realizing Metallica sold out?

Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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MarathonAg12 said:

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Well I would trade sound quality for their OG thrash

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Same, but had Bob Rock produced those thrash albums they would have sounded even better…like they do live. I'll never forget my first Metallica concert and hearing all those songs live…they blew my mind. So much better than the albums sonically.

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I do appreciate Megadeth for sticking to their original sound throughout the years. I think Dave' staying in Metallica would have been legendary! But look at what Dave was able to form, one of the most popular metal bands ever. I think he had too much charisma and passion for creation that eventually he would have butted heads with Lars and James and peace out.

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I finally saw Megadeth last year open for FFDP. Wish I wouldn't have waited so long (Dave is pretty rough these days) but it was still awesome.

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My most recent Megadeth show was about 7-8 years ago in Sydney. I love Megadeth but unfortunately, Dave just can't sing anymore.

The music, the fans are still great but, as far as vocals, that ship has sailed.

Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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JCA1 said:

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This just seems like the natural evolution of most bands. Almost all of my favorite bands did their best work in their first 3-4 albums. That's probably partly on their end by being at their most creative and partly on my end because of the joy of discovering a new artist.

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Yeah…I mean it makes sense and isn't unique to Metallica. You prepare your entire musical life for the first 1-2 albums…of course they'll usually be superior to what you churn out every few years afterwards.

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Agreed. There's definitely some truth behind the old joke that the five worst words you can hear at a concert are "we have a new album."

Sorry, but I think the new material is underwhelming as well.

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St Anger was absolutely awful, no argument from me on that one. But I liked Load and Reload, they both have some pretty good songs on them. Hero of the Day, King Nothing, Until it Sleeps, Fuel, The Memory Remains, etc.

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16 year old me absolutely dominated some video games with Load as the background music.

Azariah said:

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MGS said:

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St. Anger sucks, but I liked the others.

I do agree, Metallica hasn't been the same since Jason left.

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Jason was the bassist for 15 years. Trujillo has been the bassist for 20 years. At some point we have to stop pining for Jason and get used to the 'new' guy.

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MarathonAg12 said:

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I do appreciate Megadeth for sticking to their original sound throughout the years. I think Dave' staying in Metallica would have been legendary! But look at what Dave was able to form, one of the most popular metal bands ever. I think he had too much charisma and passion for creation that eventually he would have butted heads with Lars and James and peace out.

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Which is basically what happened

Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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Agreed. I feel like this is one of those things people hear other people say and then parrot it for cool points or something. The actual number of people who can tell the difference between bass players sight-unseen is minuscule.

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I was friends with the late Jimmy Bain. I heard Jimmy play a lot over the years and I can say that he most definitely had a signature style where you could tell it was him playing versus somebody else. Whether that was in Dio, Rainbow or tracks for The Scorpions, it is noticeable if you've put in the time to appreciate it.

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This whole argument is always silly to me. I very much prefer everything before the black album but really like a lot of the black album as well. Sonically, it was superior to everything that came before it. You can actually hear the bass on that album and the vocals are head and shoulders better.

The music before the black album is superior than anything that came after but the mix on those records was horrendous. All those songs sound infinitely better live than on the albums.

TL;DR…Bob Rock made Metallica sound better on record. It's not his fault they went a long stretch where they put out incredibly mediocre (compared to themselves) music for an extended period of time.

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Yeah, they ran out of Dave Mustaine guitar riffs pretty quickly

Guess I'll ask it...have they released an album since St. Anger? I thought they retired after that.

YouBet said:

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Guess I'll ask it...have they released an album since St. Anger? I thought they retired after that.

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You haven't heard LuLu?

MGS said:

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YouBet said:

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Guess I'll ask it...have they released an album since St. Anger? I thought they retired after that.

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You haven't heard LuLu?

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No but I'm extremely out of touch with music.

MGS said:

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YouBet said:

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Guess I'll ask it...have they released an album since St. Anger? I thought they retired after that.

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You haven't heard LuLu?

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Two.

And Lulu doesn't count…..good grief I have no idea what that was about…..

Death Magnetic and Hardwired to Self-Destruct I thought were pretty good.

Easily one of their most unappreciated songs from the 2000s

MarathonAg12 said:

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Something thats always been on my mind. I grew up to listening to those first four albums and a little of the black album.

I think it was probably an uber money grab requested on behalf of Metallica and they wanted to take their status to the next level.....but man.

Black Album...good
Load....wtf
Reload...wtf

St.Anger....lars your snare sucks

Bob Ross finally leaves and they start making better music.

Whare are y'alls thoughts?

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my thoughts are that while death magnetic saw them get back to form after st anger, Rick Rubin totally ruined that album by clipping the entire damn thing. I wish fidelman would have been producer and not just mixer. The last album, and so far this one, sound so much cleaner.

Also don't agree with wtf on load/reload at all.

outlaw torn, fixxxer, and bleeding me... I've seen them all live, and while I already really liked those 3, seeing them live was unbelievable..

So many more good deeper cuts on those, the countrified metallica mama said, where the wild things are, hero of the day, low mans lyric (heard that one today on mandatory metallica SXM).

Death Magnetic

Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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Azariah said:

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MGS said:

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St. Anger sucks, but I liked the others.

I do agree, Metallica hasn't been the same since Jason left.

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Jason was the bassist for 15 years. Trujillo has been the bassist for 20 years. At some point we have to stop pining for Jason and get used to the 'new' guy.

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Agreed. I feel like this is one of those things people hear other people say and then parrot it for cool points or something. The actual number of people who can tell the difference between bass players sight-unseen is minuscule.

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I would argue that the band losing Cliff Burton was a profound impact. He was a big part of those first 3 albums with many writing credits. Jason was never allowed to have a place in the band in that way.

It's really interesting to think about where Metallica would have gone if Cliff hadn't of died. He was way more to that band then just another bass player.

Agree there.

Cliff - yes
Jason - no

TV Casualty said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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Azariah said:

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MGS said:

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St. Anger sucks, but I liked the others.

I do agree, Metallica hasn't been the same since Jason left.

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Jason was the bassist for 15 years. Trujillo has been the bassist for 20 years. At some point we have to stop pining for Jason and get used to the 'new' guy.

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Agreed. I feel like this is one of those things people hear other people say and then parrot it for cool points or something. The actual number of people who can tell the difference between bass players sight-unseen is minuscule.

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I would argue that the band losing Cliff Burton was a profound impact. He was a big part of those first 3 albums with many writing credits. Jason was never allowed to have a place in the band in that way.
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just 2 albums actually. Just heard James talking the other day, most of kill 'em all was written without/before cliff.
Cliff showed them melodies, harmony and taught them some theory, all clearly shown in RTL and MOP.

Yeah, that's true, but he did at least get Pulling Teeth on the record. I think he also came up with the title and the cover with the hammer.