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*** Those Who Wish Me Dead ***

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PDWT_12
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Anyone watch this one this weekend? Streaming on HBO Max and in theaters too I think. From Taylor Sheridan and starring Angelina Jolie, Jon Berenthal, Nicholas Hoult, and Aiden Gillen.

Definitely the most disappointing movie I've seen from Sheridan, although it's not what I would consider bad. I thought the performances were fine, setting is beautiful in true Sheridan fashion, and there are some fun parts to it. Plot is pretty ridiculous though and it doesn't have the typical spark we're used to seeing that sets his movies apart from the rest.

Lots of changes from the book, and very few of them for the better in my opinion.

Book spoilers below:

In the books, Connor's family doesn't have anything to do with the crime. He just witnesses the brothers commit murder and dump the body, so they're after him specifically. Ethan (Jon B.) is a survival expert who runs a camp for troubled youth in the mountains, and Connor gets sent there to hide him due to a connection with Ethan and a US Marshall. These are the two biggest changes for me that I think made the movie worse. Instead of getting Connor some time with Ethan to learn about surviving and being on the mountain and not having him deal with watching his father murdered right in front of him, instead of having some scared sad kid who's carrying a McGuffin of a note in his pocket would be a lot better in my opinion. Then he could join up with Hannah and you could keep most things unchanged.

A couple of other changes I hated to see was Hannah surviving instead of sacrificing herself for Connor and Allison by putting them in her fire tent. And I hated that we didn't get the twist of the US Marshall who claims to be Connor's mom, but ends up being the assassins sister.


Anyway, it's fine to throw on the tv if you've got HBO Max, but not worth planning an evening around or going to the theaters for, in my opinion.
Definitely Not A Cop
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Watched this weekend and agree. It was fine. The kid was a great actor.

Question about it:

Did they ever explain what the bad guys motivation was? It seemed like they wanted to focus more on the relationship between Jolie and the kid, but I never really caught why they were chasing the father in the first place, other than he said he did the right thing.
PDWT_12
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The dad mentions being a forensic accountant and that he found things that didn't add up. Based off the very quick appearance from Tyler Perry, who I think got into a car with government plates, it would seem that he uncovered information on people within the federal or state governments, and that's why the brothers were hired to kill him.

It's enough to get you through the movie, but it really makes the plot clunky and weird especially when you go back to look at it.
Hollabeck
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Watched it last night and thought it was mediocre. My expectations may have been too high as I've been a huge fan of Sheridan's prior movies.

It felt a little disjointed and I agree it was weird how they handled the explanation of why they were being pursued. It was treated entirely as a plot device - I assumed at some point it would be revealed.

The whole thing felt rushed to me.
maxag42
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It sucked. Very disappointing movie. Like others said, it felt rushed and not enough backstory and conclusion to the storyline.
MROD92
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I hated it, what a waste. I only get one to two days off a month and I used it to watch this. Made me mad all day
Flashdiaz
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MROD92 said:

I hated it, what a waste. I only get one to two days off a month and I used it to watch this. Made me mad all day
2 days off a month... do you work in a Fire Lookout house?
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Some Junkie Cosmonaut
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it felt like you started watching the movie thirty minutes in to the story and then it ended 15 minutes early.

very disappointing.
scrimp
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Watched it this weekend. Didn't know anything about it except for the trailer.

Overall, thought it was about the most "meh" movie I've watched in quite a while. Acting was fine, visuals were pretty good, but the plot seemed disjointed. The description above of "it felt like you started watching the movie thirty minutes in to the story and then it ended 15 minutes early." is about as accurate as can be. I felt like there was a bunch of backstory that got cut out of the final edit, and then the director got near the end, couldn't figure out a great way to wrap it up, so just yelled "roll credits!"
Bruce Almighty
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I enjoyed it. It reminded me of a 90s thriller, enjoyable, yet forgettable. I do agree that the beginning needed to expand on what the father stumbled on.
PDWT_12
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I've described it to a few people as a 90s or early 2000s action flick.

Agree with everybody that this is a rare movie that could have been longer. I think they could have added some book stuff and made the whole thing about 2 hours and it would have been considerably better, at least the story would have made a little more sense.
MROD92
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Flashdiaz said:

MROD92 said:

I hated it, what a waste. I only get one to two days off a month and I used it to watch this. Made me mad all day
2 days off a month... do you work in a Fire Lookout house?


Pipeline. But it appears fire house lookout would be a better option
MROD92
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C@LAg said:

MROD92 said:

I hated it, what a waste. I only get one to two days off a month and I used it to watch this. Made me mad all day
the movie is only like 2 hours long. what did you do with your other 46 hours....


I don't get them back to back, so what did I do with the other 22 hours?
HeadGames
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Big missed opportunity to start the new Taylor Sheridan Universe. In the end, Matt Graver (Josh Brolin) from Sicario should have shown up. Connecting all of Taylor Sheridan's movies, culminating in a 4 hours blockbuster involving the U.S. government, drug trade, and guns. Taking place somewhere in Texas, New Mexico, or Montana. Maybe call it How the West was Won: Drug War.

Listen, I know some favorite characters from past Sheridan movies were killed off. But If I have learned anything from the 9 Fast & Furious movies, Not one really dies. I'm sure Taylor can write some loophole and bring back the characters/actors.
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scrimp said:

Watched it this weekend. Didn't know anything about it except for the trailer.

Overall, thought it was about the most "meh" movie I've watched in quite a while. Acting was fine, visuals were pretty good, but the plot seemed disjointed. The description above of "it felt like you started watching the movie thirty minutes in to the story and then it ended 15 minutes early." is about as accurate as can be. I felt like there was a bunch of backstory that got cut out of the final edit, and then the director got near the end, couldn't figure out a great way to wrap it up, so just yelled "roll credits!"
this.

maybe it's because of what i've expected from Sheridan, but i was expecting some existential process in the middle of the movie that feels like it got cut out.

Sicario really made me think about immigration and the drug trade. Wind River made me think about the plight of Native Americans and especially the rape and disappearance of women. Hell or High Water made me think about legacies you leave your kids and you just being another loan number to the bank. All 3 really stuck with me after the credits rolled

Those who wish me dead didn't make me think about anything. Acting was fine, direction was fine. I just felt like there was something cut out that was supposed to make me identify with the characters in the middle.
Serious Lee
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Bruce Almighty said:

I enjoyed it. It reminded me of a 90s thriller, enjoyable, yet forgettable.


probly a 10th of the budget and basically the same movie, but with much more realistic fire science.
aggierogue
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First of all, the only movie of Sicario, Hell or High Water, and Wind River that was directed by Sheridan was Wind River. Hell or High Water and Sicario had different directors.

And Wind River was FAR better than this one. I went in with high expectations as well as I'm a big fan of all three of his previous movies where he was the writer or did the screenplay. I'm also a Yellowstone fan.

Thoughts on Those Who Wish Me Dead (SPOILERS)

I had a hard time with Jolie as the main actress. I kept thinking that they should have found a better actress for a woman who is supposed to be a smokejumper, wilderness chick. I kept looking at Jolie's fake lips/tits, and scrawny arms and it just ruins it for me. I was finally able to get passed it about an hour in.

But it all felt rushed. The banter between her and the boy was not believable, and I thought the corny scenes with the other smokejumpers where she jumps in the pickup and parachutes was ridiculous, and the cursing was over the top for my taste. I'm not prudish with language, but it felt forced...all of it.

Anyway, major disappointment as I'm a huge Sheridan fan, and I've been telling friends to go see it who don't really know him.
St Hedwig Aggie
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This is all very disappointing to read :-(
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PatAg
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aggierogue said:

First of all, the only movie of Sicario, Hell or High Water, and Wind River that was directed by Sheridan was Wind River. Hell or High Water and Sicario had different directors.

And Wind River was FAR better than this one. I went in with high expectations as well as I'm a big fan of all three of his previous movies where he was the writer or did the screenplay. I'm also a Yellowstone fan.

Thoughts on Those Who Wish Me Dead (SPOILERS)

I had a hard time with Jolie as the main actress. I kept thinking that they should have found a better actress for a woman who is supposed to be a smokejumper, wilderness chick. I kept looking at Jolie's fake lips/tits, and scrawny arms and it just ruins it for me. I was finally able to get passed it about an hour in.

But it all felt rushed. The banter between her and the boy was not believable, and I thought the corny scenes with the other smokejumpers where she jumps in the pickup and parachutes was ridiculous, and the cursing was over the top for my taste. I'm not prudish with language, but it felt forced...all of it.

Anyway, major disappointment as I'm a huge Sheridan fan, and I've been telling friends to go see it who don't really know him.
She probably would have been great in this role 15 years ago
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