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A Clockwork Orange - Love this movie!!!! Plans to read the book...

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Achilles Rhyme
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I finally watched 'A Clockwork Orange' couple of days back. I fell in love with the movie immediately.

Is the novel really good too? Or, does it fall short? I remember reading 'Fight Club' and 'The Godfather' after I watched their respective movie adaptations. I felt that the movies did a better job than the books in those cases.
Achilles Rhyme
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The song - 'Singin' In the Rain' now makes me smile and cringe at the same time. Thanks to Alex for adding a new twist to a Gene Kelly classic.
Squirrel Master
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You didn't care for the The Godfather book? Man, I consider that one of the best reads I've ever had.
Whos Juan
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The novel is a tough read at first, just because you're getting accustomed to their vernacular. Aside from that, its much more violent than the movie.
Zona81
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Makes me want to eat some ticks of toast and listen to Ludwig Van.
george07
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I've never read the book, but from what I've heard they really had to tone it down for the movie. For example, those two girls that he meets and then has sex with during that sped up montage are like 12 years old in the book.
Spicy McHaggis
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I actually just watched the movie for the first time last week, as well. Don't know what I think about it yet. The book is one of my favorites, though.

I think the problem was the visualization that bothered me. The book is creepy enough without having to actually see a woman getting raped in front of her husband or another beaten with a big phallic statue. Kubrick did a fantastic job, but I would have been fine with the sadistic mental images I already had just from reading the book.

It did make me want to have a glass of moloko and listen to a bit of the ol' Ludwig Van, though.

[This message has been edited by Spicy McHaggis (edited 4/4/2010 10:01p).]
birdman
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Clockwork Orange is an excellent book. It's been awhile since I've read it or seen the movie. I'm not sure if everything holds up. It might not be as shocking nowadays.
dcAg
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Clockwork Orange is an excellent movie because it was directed by the best film director ever, Stanley Kubrick.

Coppola was hired to direct the Godfather becasue the studio wanted to pay one price for a director and a script re-write. Coppola re-wrote the original screenplay with Puzo. The book couldnt have made a great movie.
MW03
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the book is pretty good.

the vernacular pretty interesting in and of itself. i read this for the first time as i was studying russian, so it was especially fascinating to me.

Face
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Make sure you get a book that has the glossary in the back. Really helpful.
Randy03
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I watched this in high school, like Texas public high school. Sure it was in a gifted class, but our teacher told us to keep our mouths shut if we wanted to continue to do cool stuff. This teacher was a 60 year old lady lol.
5thGenAg
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Make sure you get a book that has the glossary in the back. Really helpful.


Definitely. I think most have them, but yeah, very helpful. It's funny, though. When reading it, you eventually pick it up like you've learned a new language.

I read the book first and really liked it. Didn't care much for the movie at all (but I only gave it one shot a long time ago, so I probably should give it another go).
TxAginAz
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Christian Pulisic FanBoy
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Great great movie.

I love the colors and the creepiness and the music.

You either love it or hate it.

annie88
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have always hated that film.
Agnzona
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Saw it at the Grove on metal bleachers.
My but is still sore.
Teslag
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LOVE IT!



atfarmer
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"and all that cal" has become part of my vernacular
Dave Robicheaux
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If you have read the book or watched the film, I would then recommend reading Burgess's orginal script that included the 21st chapter( left out in the US/Kubrick version). It talks about Alex as an adult.

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Let us go further. The rest of the world was sold the book out of Great Britain, and so most versions... have the original twenty-one chapters. Now when Stanley Kubrick made his film - though he made it in Englad - he followed the American version and, so it seemed to his audiences outside America, ended the story somewhat prematurely. People wrote to me about this - indeed much of my later life has been expended on Xeroxing statements of intention and the frustration of intention - while both Kubrick and my New York publisher coolly bask in the rewards of their misdemeanor. Life is, of course, terrible.

Burgess goes on to discuss the merits of the 21st chapter and the meaning of the title (and the loss thereof in translation); he ends with:


Readers of the twenty-first chapter must decide for themselves whether it enhances the book they presumably know or is really a discardable limb. I meant the book to end in this way, but my aesthetic judgegment may have been faulty. Writers are rarely their own best critics, nor are critics. 'Quod scripsi scripsi' said Pontius Pilate when he made Jesus Christ the King of the Jews. 'What I have written I have Written.' We can destroy what we have written but we cannot unwrite it. I leave what I wrote with what Dr. Johnson called frigid indifference to the judgement of that .00000001 of the American population which cares about such things. Eat this sweetish segment or spit it out. You are free.

Anthony Burgess, November 1986


the 21st chapter obviously re-directs the whole perspective of the novel/film that we know. Kubricks film directed us to believe that humans cannot change, even through behavioral manipulation. Burgess's last chapter contradicts that idea. Humans DO have the ability to change, but they must have the will to do it themselves, without outside forces.

like he said though, "eat this sweetish segment or spit it out"






[This message has been edited by Dave Robicheaux (edited 4/5/2010 11:30p).]
NITESIDE
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The book was greatness...the movie seemed so at the time, but I find I don't care for it much now because...well, we seem to be living in that future now and it really sucks what the world has become.
aTmAg
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I haven't seen it all the way from beginning to end in one sitting. However, I have seen enough to ask, "whats the big deal?"
bushytailed
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I haven't seen it all the way from beginning to end in one sitting. However, I have seen enough to ask, "whats the big deal?"

This ^
NITESIDE
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The big deal is, people didn't act like that when the book and the movie came out. It was a look at a disgusting future that seems more and more the world of reality now.
Of course it's no big deal now, we live it...but the world seemed a nicer place when it first came out.
rockylarues
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Yeah, it really sucks that people had to go and invent violence, rape, and murder in the last few years.
NITESIDE
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Not exactly what I'm talking about...if you've read the book or seen the movie and were alive at the time it came out the world has changed.
The guy who wrote it was famous for creating language. At the time he was considered something of a visionary and while the sort of gains, actions and language depicted there are prety comman today, it was considered a fututristic horror show back then.
Certainly he didn't invent rape or murder, but the attitudes, the sort of let's just have some fun on a Saturday night rape and murder by a group of young people...just out on the town were shocking back then...at least in most of American and probably for the Brits also.
It all seems a little boring now, but then, it was not a world that most of America lived in...think "Happy Days" as oppossed to "Clockwork Orange."
Just a diffent time and the people who opposed the movie then were afraid it would lead to that sort of world now...and I guess it's a "chicken and egg" deal, but looking at it all these years later it's sort of sad.
Christian Pulisic FanBoy
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Re-make it and base it off a future of 2010 and not 1960s, and have the same situations, and it would still be relevant.

rockylarues
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I'm just saying that even at the time the book was written, people did exist that would consider a rape or murder as something ordinary to do, just as they exist now. And even in today's world, most people can not fathom acting in that manner. The claim that these have became the norm since then is somewhat inaccurate. I would argue that it is just better documented through the news, cinema, and other outlets now than it was then.
5thGenAg
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Wrong, rocky. 1971 was shangri-la. You ever hear of a little thing called the Brady Bunch? That s*** was real, man.
3 William 56
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I remember reading 'Fight Club' and 'The Godfather' after I watched their respective movie adaptations. I felt that the movies did a better job than the books in those cases.


respectfully disagree on 'The Godfather'. i actually liked the novel better than the movie.
Achilles Rhyme
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I haven't seen it all the way from beginning to end in one sitting. However, I have seen enough to ask, "whats the big deal?"

'A Clockwork Orange' is a satirical movie involving the themes of morality (with a focus on violence, subversion, etc), behavioral psychology, and governmental censorship – to name a few. If you sit down and watch the movie from beginning to end, without any interruption; you'll clearly see how these issues have been dealt with masterfully by the author of the material and the director of the movie. It raises a lot of relevant questions and forces one to also re-evaluate the role of a so-called 'civilized' society.
NITESIDE
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rocky...perhaps. Certainly the speed at which we see the news from even the most remote backwater little town today has given a feeling that everything is faster and harsher.

A rape that might of occured in "Podunk USA" in 1960 is something that many of us simply would never heard about. It only seems like things of this nature have increased because we are boombarded with them each minute of each day now and in 1960, we might only know a local event or major national or international stories. Information just wasn't as easy to come by back then.

And this may have been the eye opening revalation of the movie to people then, that the world was a vilonet messed up place and everything didn't revolve around Richie and the gang down at Al's Drive-in. In those days, about the worst that was expected out of an American teenager was that he swivaled his hips like Elvis when he danced or a girls skirt came above her knees. This movie was a shocker for middle America.
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