I am watching the end of Return of the King. I wish Frodo would have fell into Mt Doom with Golum and the ring. Sam does everything but Frodo is somehow the hero. All he leaves Sam is to finish a book. Just another thing Frodo couldn't finish on his own. Frodo was just about to F it up for humans again until Golum bit his finger off. What a loser.
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Frodo sucks!
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ibtWhyDidn'tTheEaglesFlyTheRingToMountDoom?
Gollum is the real hero. If he doesn't attack Frodo and bite the ring off his finger then Frodo goes down the same road as Isuldur or Bilbo.
We are not alone on our journey to overcome sin. A 'communion of saints' one might say.
Samwise gets the girl, that's how you know he's the hero.
Anchorhold said:
Samwise gets the girl, that's how you know he's the hero.
So did Aragorn.
wut?
Whoa, whoa, whoa! Don't go besmirching Bilbo like that! He gave up the ring on his own, and he had it waaaay longer than Frodomaroon barchetta said:
Gollum is the real hero. If he doesn't attack Frodo and bite the ring off his finger then Frodo goes down the same road as Isuldur or Bilbo.
Here's what I don't get: why not ride the eagles to Mount Doom?
toucan82 said:
Here's what I don't get: why not ride the eagles to Mount Doom?
This has been covered on this board a number of times.
redline248 said:Whoa, whoa, whoa! Don't go besmirching Bilbo like that! He gave up the ring on his own, and he had it waaaay longer than Frodomaroon barchetta said:
Gollum is the real hero. If he doesn't attack Frodo and bite the ring off his finger then Frodo goes down the same road as Isuldur or Bilbo.
Bilbo had to be shamed into it.
Which is better than Frodo
Smells like nerd up in here
Analyzing Frodo based on the ending of Return of the King misses the full allegory of who he is.
His strength is not defined in his brawn, intelligence, etc but rather his smallness and willingness to accept the burden of the ring. Others "more capable than he" fell victim to his power multiple times (eg Boromir). His smallness is intentional to show that even the smallest and most unsuspecting people in the world can have a profound change.
In the same way, Gollum is left alive when he could've been slain multiple times to show the value of life and the importance of mercy even when it cannot be seen.
Sam is meant to demonstrate the importance of not fighting sin on our own. You are correct in saying that he shoulders a large load throughout the journey and ultimately helps prevent Frodo from keeping the ring. Yet how often to we as humans fall short when faced with addiction and other vices if we rely only on ourselves and not the people around us? Bringing the burden of sin into the light and calling on friends and family will always help us defeat it. Frodo would've have failed without Sam, however, do not think that Sam would've been able to complete the journey he himself, he too would've fallen without Frodo.
The work is a direct relationship to our weakness in the face of sin and is inherently pro-life to the maximum. It calls us to seek refuge from the burden of Satan in our friends and family, take up our cross daily with meek and humbleness of heart, and have mercy on even the most outcast among us
Edit to add: yeah I'm a Christian nerd and I love LOTR
His strength is not defined in his brawn, intelligence, etc but rather his smallness and willingness to accept the burden of the ring. Others "more capable than he" fell victim to his power multiple times (eg Boromir). His smallness is intentional to show that even the smallest and most unsuspecting people in the world can have a profound change.
In the same way, Gollum is left alive when he could've been slain multiple times to show the value of life and the importance of mercy even when it cannot be seen.
Sam is meant to demonstrate the importance of not fighting sin on our own. You are correct in saying that he shoulders a large load throughout the journey and ultimately helps prevent Frodo from keeping the ring. Yet how often to we as humans fall short when faced with addiction and other vices if we rely only on ourselves and not the people around us? Bringing the burden of sin into the light and calling on friends and family will always help us defeat it. Frodo would've have failed without Sam, however, do not think that Sam would've been able to complete the journey he himself, he too would've fallen without Frodo.
The work is a direct relationship to our weakness in the face of sin and is inherently pro-life to the maximum. It calls us to seek refuge from the burden of Satan in our friends and family, take up our cross daily with meek and humbleness of heart, and have mercy on even the most outcast among us
Edit to add: yeah I'm a Christian nerd and I love LOTR
I want to see an alternate timeline in which Tom Bombadil is given the ring and he's slaying the ring wraiths with his jolly voice as they try to figure out where he's forgotten he put it.
Boromir is actually the true hero because he got Frodo's ass in gear by challenging him for the ring. Frodo was perfectly fine just being Gandalf and Aragorn's carry-on item for the trip before that.
Without Farmer Maggot and Fatty Bolger, Frodo doesn't even get out of the Shire.
Without Eru creating stuff by farting out the music of the ainur, Frodo can't be born.
toucan82 said:
Here's what I don't get: why not ride the eagles to Mount Doom?
Well played.
toucan82 said:
Here's what I don't get: why not ride the eagles to Mount Doom?
Time keeps on slippin', slippin', slippin'
AgsMyDude said:toucan82 said:
Here's what I don't get: why not ride the eagles to Mount Doom?
Time keeps on slippin', slippin', slippin'
Take it easy
IIIHorn said:AgsMyDude said:toucan82 said:
Here's what I don't get: why not ride the eagles to Mount Doom?
Time keeps on slippin', slippin', slippin'
Take it easy
Frodo told Sam they had to take it to the limit ... one more time
IIIHorn said:AgsMyDude said:toucan82 said:
Here's what I don't get: why not ride the eagles to Mount Doom?
Time keeps on slippin', slippin', slippin'
Take it easy
I think the eagle had been taken to the limit
Burdizzo said:IIIHorn said:AgsMyDude said:toucan82 said:
Here's what I don't get: why not ride the eagles to Mount Doom?
Time keeps on slippin', slippin', slippin'
Take it easy
I think the eagle had been taken to the limit
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