Red Lobster

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Aggie Therapist
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Didn't know they filed for bankruptcy and were doing so bad.

Please treat yourself to one more serving of cheddar bay biscuits, one more endless shrimp order and a night out with the family.

Red Lobster is definitely some nostalgia for me.
scd88
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Places like that and Steak & Ale were THE places to when I was a kid in the '70's.
Bruce Almighty
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I haven't been to Red Lobster in 20 years but use their biscuit mix to make sausage balls.
Aggie Dad 26
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Aggie Therapist said:

Didn't know they filed for bankruptcy and were doing so bad.

Please treat yourself to one more serving of cheddar bay biscuits, one more endless shrimp order and a night out with the family.

Red Lobster is definitely some nostalgia for me.


Yeah Boiii

Aggie Therapist
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Bruce Almighty said:

I haven't been to Red Lobster in 20 years but use their biscuit mix to make sausage balls.


The biscuit mix from the grocery store is damn good!

Sausage balls you say? Recipe?
TXAG 05
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Bruce Almighty said:

I haven't been to Red Lobster in 20 years but use their biscuit mix to make sausage balls.


That's a good idea. We usually just use bisquik
bam02
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Obviously they were already in financial straits, but I had to chuckle when I read that they lost their ass on an all-you-can-eat shrimp promotion recently and that was the final nail in the coffin.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/05/20/business/what-went-wrong-at-red-lobster
TequilaMockingbird
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They lost me when they did away with the Fudge Overboard.
Furlock Bones
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Their PE company did it to them. They also own a shrimp distribution company in Vietnam. So, they forced Red Lobster to buy up a mega **** load of shrimp from one of their other companies.

What PE companies are doing today is worse than the corporate raiders of the 80s.
bam02
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Damn that sounds like it should be criminal.
javajaws
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scd88 said:

Places like that and Steak & Ale were THE places to when I was a kid in the '70's.
I feel like someone needs to do a Steak & Ale reboot.
PeekingDuck
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Furlock Bones said:

What PE companies are doing today is worse than the corporate raiders of the 80s.
It really is and most folks are completely unaware of the scale of the mess.
Agasaurus Tex
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We have Texas Roadhouse and Outback. Steak & Ale may see those as too much competition for a similar market. I could get behind a Bennigan's reboot though.
Ags4DaWin
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bam02
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I only understand about 80% of that, but that's awful.
BartInLA
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The only thing at Red Lobster that really wasn't any good was their seafood.
Ags4DaWin
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So a private equity (PE) firm finds a vulnerable company with relatively good brand recognition. We will call this the Patsy Company.

The PE Firm uses their money to buy enough shares to own a controlling interest in the Patsy Company

Because they own a controlling interest in the company they are allowed to elect a certain number of members to the Patsy Company's board of directors who then elect a CEO approved by the PE firm.

Low and behold the PE firm owns other businesses that can feed into or be suppliers of the Patsy Company.

Red Lobster was the Patsy Company.

The PE firm bought a controlling interest in Red Lobster and put stooges on the board.

The PE firm also owned one of 5 major global shrimp suppliers. This one was based in Vietnam.

The PE Firm used the stooges they put on the board to "negotiate" exclusive contracts with the PE Firm's Vietnamese shrimp supplier. In these "negotiations" the stooge board members controlling Red Lobster agreed to pay ridiculously high prices for the shrimp that the Vietnamese Supplier (owned by the PE firm) sells.

Around this time the PE firm begins to short the stock of Red Lobster. When you short a stock you borrow the stock from the market at the current price and then sell that stock on the market to buyers. This brings in cash.

You agree to return to the stock market the same number of shares of stock that you borrowed by a certain date. Interest accumulates on this "debt" of stock that you own. If the stock goes down after you borrow it and resell it, then you make money on the transaction.

So the PE firm that OWNS a controlling interest of stock in the Patsy Company begins to short the Patsy Compamy's stock using various veils and other entities. We will get to why they do this later.

The PE firm shorts the stock of the Patsy Company KNOWING that their board members are INTENTIONALLY making bad business decisions in an effort to kill the Patsy Company. This nets them ALOT of profit as the Patsy Company's stock declines.

In this case, the board of Red Lobster (The Patsy Company) which was controlled by the PE Firm agreed to grossly overpay for shrimp. They bought this shrimp exclusively from a Company the PE Firm owned generating large profits for the PE Firm through the Vietnamese shrimping company.

They even did the endless shrimp promotion so that they could increase their shrimp purchases frpm the PE Firm's vietnamese shrimping company even though the promotion was a huge money loser for Red Lobster.

While Red Lobster is intentionally bleeding money, the PE Firm slowly and quietly shorts huge amounts of Red Lobster's stock through various shell and affiliated companies which net the PE Firm even more profits.

Now.....where things get super interesting is this.

If a company's stock performs badly enough it can get pulled off the market completely. When this happens the stock just disappears and the PE Firm never has to pay the stocks they shorted back.

If the stock gets pushed low enough then the PE Firm could potentially buy up the remaining stock of the Patsy Company and take the Patsy company private or sell off the the Patsy company's physical assets.

In this case, their biscuit recipe, shipping entities, and real estate for even more profit.

Basically what happens is these guys game the system to intentionally kill a Patsy Company.

While they are killing the Patsy Company, they use any other companies they own to leech off of the Patsy Company's revenue like a parasite to boost the profits of their other companies. They profit off of borrowing and shorting the Patsy Company's stock.

Then they sell the shell if the company to eek the last smidgen of money out of the company that they can.

And VOI LAH Now you have made billions from not producing anything, but intentionally destroying a business and at no risk to yourself becuase you knew all along your goal was to kill the company eventually. You just have to keep the game going long enough to bleed as much revenue as possible and string out how slow you can short the stock.

Mitt Romney became an expert at this and that is how he made his money. It is also why he is a sleezey asshat who wears mom jeans while pretending to be some moral compass even though he made millions destroying companies, killing jobs, and cannibalizing viable businesses.

Yeah....I hate that twerp.
bam02
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Thanks for the breakdown. Now I'm up to 87% understanding. It's not your fault… that was as thorough as can be. I just can't wrap my head around how shorting works. I've read on it many times over the years and it's just beyond me.

That's all pretty damn disgusting and sad. I've never been in a Red Lobster but hate to see an iconic brand go putt like that. Not to mention all the employees who lost their jobs.
abileneag09
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How is that legal? I'm the last person that wants more government regulation over business, but that seems like a fraudulent action by the PE firm against minority shareholders of the patsy company. Those profits have to come from someone's pocket, and clearly minority shareholders take a huge loss due to those actions.

And obviously eff Mitt Romney.
bam02
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That's what I keep wondering as I read that explanation. This sure ought to be illegal, and I also almost always oppose more regulation.
toucan82
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It's legal because America
toucan82
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This discussion should remind us all of the wise words of the best poster the General Board ever had, Goose:

Friends don't let friends buy imported shrimp

maroon barchetta
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I'm guessing you enjoyed the movie The Big Short?
jh0400
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I wish Scimitar was still around to mock you and tell you how wrong you are.
Aggie Dad 26
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We have some of the worst culture in the world. Sad but true. That sort of non sense wouldn't fly in most parts of the world.
maroon barchetta
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Aggie Dad 26 said:

We have some of the worst culture in the world. Sad but true. That sort of non sense wouldn't fly in most parts of the world.


You should move to someplace with better culture.
Aggie Dad 26
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maroon barchetta said:

Aggie Dad 26 said:

We have some of the worst culture in the world. Sad but true. That sort of non sense wouldn't fly in most parts of the world.


You should move to someplace with better culture.


100%
SuhrThang
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I ate at a Red Lobster in Pine Bluff once. It was a rough crowd….
“A drunkard’s dream if I ever did see one”
CobyRiley
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Seriously? I can't believe it's true.
MouthBQ98
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It's legal because the people in position to do it are very good friends with the politicians and regulators who make the rules that define fraudulent business practices.
ThunderCougarFalconBird
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Aggie Dad 26
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MouthBQ98 said:

It's legal because the people in position to do it are very good friends with the politicians and regulators who make the rules that define fraudulent business practices.


Say it again for those in the back
toucan82
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Like I said, America
Brian Earl Spilner
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I too watched that video.

MooreTrucker
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My first job as a kid was as a busboy at Red Lobster. Every once in a while, they had an AYCE fish nuggets special. It was a couple of small squares of white fish with a piece of cheese in between, then battered and fried. Very tasty!

They whipped them up and put them in baskets on the line, and the servers would come back and dump some onto plates to serve. We busboys and dishwashers would just nosh on them all night.
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