GB kinda slow today. Just seen this on the Kbtx. Wow.

https://www.kbtx.com/content/news/Iola-ISD-student-searched-for-gun-after-old-photo-posted-on-social-media-558809361.html

What on Earth has happened to common sense?

Chris "Birdman" Andersen - the pride of Iola, Texas

What ... you mean they let the kid go?!?

He's lucky he didn't get expelled under zero tolerance.

Can't wait for mf'ers to be shopping guns in pics of kids they don't like.

Just exactly what would he be punished for years after the photo was taken? Why was he searched? Have we totally lost common sense.

Depends. Was it an AK pistol or one with a bumper stock on it?

student will be disciplined according to district policy??? For what??????

If I'm the parents I'd be looking into hiring a attorney and go after the school district/ staff and the district attorney. Way over reach and no grounds to do this.

Facebook

How many more years left do we have before a social credit score system is in place here in the land of the free and the home of the brave?

The article said the investigation was because he post the word "school" in association with the gun picture. No threat though. But i still dont understand how the school can displine him for it. I could see the police investigating and then dropping it, but how can the school discipline hime for that?

WestTexasAg04 said:

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How many more years left do we have before a social credit score system is in place here in the land of the free and the home of the brave?

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This already exists if you are looking for a job

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The superintendent said Friday the boy will be disciplined according to district policy. Parents and guardians were notified by the district of that incident.

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Yeah, if they do this, I hope the parents lawyer up. The kid did ZERO wrong but you're still going to discipline him because school officials are idiots?

Sarduakar said:

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The article said the investigation was because he post the word "school" in association with the gun picture. No threat though. But i still dont understand how the school can displine him for it. I could see the police investigating and then dropping it, but how can the school discipline hime for that?

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I don't. Chances are it said something like "they don't teach this in school" or "this is how we home school."

I took this story MUUUUCH differently than y'all did.

The district just said "Move along, there's nothing to see here." The official who was interviewed said it took about 5 minutes to investigate and determine there was no threat. He clearly implied this whole thing is stupid, and all the hooplah on facebook was absurd. That's what the investigation found as well.

Statements like "disciplining according to district policy" are intentionally vague. They exist solely to make the nutjobs on facebook think the school punished this kid when in fact they did not. Afterall, most district policies for non-events like this are to do nothing (which is exactly what all of us agree with).

et98 said:

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I took this story MUUUUCH differently than y'all did.

The district just said "Move along, there's nothing to see here." The official who was interviewed said it took about 5 minutes to investigate and determine there was no threat. He clearly implied this whole thing is stupid, and all the hooplah on facebook was absurd. That's what the investigation found as well.

Statements like "disciplining according to district policy" are intentionally vague. They exist solely to make the nutjobs on facebook think the school punished this kid when in fact they did not. Afterall, most district policies for non-events like this are to do nothing (which is exactly what all of us agree with).

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And there's the problem. Why let them think that? All you're doing is justifying their dumbassary and encouraging more of it. Let them know they're morons and get triggered too easily over dumb stuff, and that the kid was given extra time at recess because he's an alpha and not some pronoun generating dumb ****.

Because this story is dumb, and they want people to forget about it as soon as possible.

By saying something vague about their district discipline policy, the dumbass rabble rousers on facebook will move on and ***** mindlessly about something else.

By explicitly saying this story is dumb and there's nothing to see here, the dumbass rabble rousers on facebook will take it as the school calling them dumb for worrying about their kids, and this story will blow up to national story for absolutely no reason.

It's the same reason college coaches say "We will address this in house" when a player does something dumb but the only people who care are fans of the rival school and goody-two-shoes nerds. What they're really going to do is nothing.

The fact they district and school still investigated and pulled the kid in and he was searched is way over reach reguardless how it turned out. The parents should speak to a attorney and also file a complaint against any staff with the TEA and OCR.

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et98 said:

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I took this story MUUUUCH differently than y'all did.

The district just said "Move along, there's nothing to see here." The official who was interviewed said it took about 5 minutes to investigate and determine there was no threat. He clearly implied this whole thing is stupid, and all the hooplah on facebook was absurd. That's what the investigation found as well.

Statements like "disciplining according to district policy" are intentionally vague. They exist solely to make the nutjobs on facebook think the school punished this kid when in fact they did not. Afterall, most district policies for non-events like this are to do nothing (which is exactly what all of us agree with).

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Agree.

I think the little school district handled it quite well and very quickly.

BurnetAggie99 said:

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The fact they district and school still investigated and pulled the kid in and he was searched is way over reach reguardless how it turned out. The parents should speak to a attorney and also file a complaint against any staff with the TEA and OCR.

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Disagree. This is the world we live in these days.

Iola handled it well. I can only imagine how crazy it would have been if it was a district in Austin.

They literally took 5 minutes. Found it was not a threat and moved on.

I'd still like to see the actual Facebook post for context.

This response is typical of our litigious society. The district followed policy and there is still someone that wants to sue the district for following said policy. This type of response is why there are so many rules and regulations in place and why the investigation was conducted in the first place. If you don't do the investigation and on the off-chance something happens, somebody will want to sue. If you conduct the investigation, someone will want to sue. It's a no-win situation. As a public school administrator, I do not get paid to make policy, I get paid to enforce the policies that are approved by the school board. I don't agree with all of them, but I still enforce them.

A friend's son who is in Houston said the word "gun" in a joke to his friend. A girl in his class heard this and reported it. They took him out of class and detained him until the juvenile authorities picked him up and took him into custody. He is an eight grader.

zephyr88 said:

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I think the little school district handled it quite well and very quickly.

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As they often do.

This might happen more than we know. Some parents just don't go to the media.

A friends son has been accused of being a "possible school shooter" 2 years in a row during the first week of school each year. He is guilty of being white and skinny. The jokes are always from minorities and it winds up scaring female students.

Last year he got caught up with a few students talking as some students said he looked like a school shooter. He didn't take it serious and they all joked about it for a few minutes. Another girl over-heard and got scared and alerted administrators. They pulled him from class, interviews students, called up his dad and Detectives followed him and his dad home, searched his home and he was suspended a day but got to go back to school. He had to get a psychiatric evaluation as well. Pure stupidity.

Fast forward this year, someone again says "hey you look like a school shooter". Next thing you know he is pulled out of class at the end of the day. Different students and this time he didnt say a word. Someone said hey you look like one and a girl got scared because he didn't deny it. His dad told him last year don't say anything if it happens again. Yet, girl tells admin and he again gets pulled from school. Dad comes up, detectives follow them home and again search his room. This time though it was literally caused by someone saying he looked like one. He wasn't suspended and let back to class the next day at noon after an "investigation".

If they didn't have a warrant, they would have not searched anything home or child, the Dad either not up to a oeed on the laws or was bullied into letting this happen. Any and all discussions would have been recorded and only statement should have been to the school and cops was you can talk to my attorney.

School administrators do not need a warrant to search a student. They only need reasonable suspicion. It's more difficult for law enforcement, as they need justifiable cause to search a student.

The post he is replying to mentions a students home being searched two times. I don't think he is referring to a student being searched on school property

Ah...got it. My mistake.

For the record, in the article that he's referencing, I do think that situation is overreach by those involved.

It must be articulable fact for them to search on suspicion. Random searches and searches based on hunches or rumors are not justified and unlawful.

Also the US Supreme Court has also stated that the manner in which the search is conducted must be "reasonably related to the objectives of the search and not excessively intrusive in light of the age and sex of the student and the nature of the infraction.

Example would be if a teacher searches a student's locker on a hunch or for no reason. If a teacher suspects that a person has contraband only in his locker, then a search of that student's backpack probably isn't justified and unlawful.

That said schools and School Police are good at bullying students and parents into statements and searches. I know of a case ewhere the vice principal and the school rpo forced a teenager to put in this phone password. Then vice principal went through the teenagers phone. Also forced him to write a statement after he asked to call parents and asked for a attorney. The vice principal tried to keep the phone and the dad took the phone from the vice principal and told the school cop to get a warrant. He then had his attorney send a letter to the district and the police that his son wasn't to be talked to by any school staff or police without his attorney present.

Put it this way the district was sued, the vice principal also had claims of violations made on his license with the TEA, he lost his job over it and the officer was reprimanded and took a dig on his peace offericer license. It could of been a lot worse if the family continued to push the lawsuit the whole way.

His actual room was in fact searched by multiple detectives both years.

Schools apparently get special powers in these circumstances. Hunches or rumors? All it has to be is a kids statement that somebody said something. A few kids start talking, someone overheard something and now you have enough to start the process in the schools point of view.

Apparently, it is school protocol to do three things: interview accused and accusers, detectives search the child's room and the child has a psychological evaluation. I assume you can refuse but then you are subject to suspension and select faculty members get to decide your punishment up to suspension for the year I believe. So if you refuse, they take this into account. The dad spoke to an attorney who told him the best option (if you're innocent) is to allow the process to occur to clear the kids name.

I would have had an attorney l, demanded a search warrant and not been a very nice person. The dad took the high road in hopes it would get rid of the problem. His plan worked this year.

This is a Plano school FYI.

I guess we gotta teach kids earlier and earlier those magic words: "You ain't searching *****" Or maybe something that won't light up the "contempt of cop" auto-reasonable-cause.

You have no idea what it is like to be in the shoes of a Texas public school administrator. Every day we live under the threat of litigation by sue-happy lawnmower parents. If I have a reasonable suspicion that a kid has something on them that may bring harm to another kid, I guarantee you I'm gonna search as much as I can to make certain a single kid is not going to be harmed. I have 2,100 students under my protection and you can bet that I owe it to their parents to return them home in the same manner that they arrived to school that morning. Go ahead...threaten your lawsuit over an illegal search....bring it!

I get it. But the reverse can be said. You have no idea what it's like to be accused of something just because you're skinny, white and male. You have no idea what it's like to be pulled to the office because you're "a school shooter" in some scared girls mind because of the mentality of administrators like you. You have no idea what it's like to have your neighbors see detectives show up at your house. You have no idea what it's like to have to fight to not have a suspension that will stay on your record because of people like you...you know the ones that would might suspect something because somebody said somebody said this or that. And the problem is because you're so scared of litigation, you'll generally never admit when you're wrong. The system is Ridiculous.

So yeah, 2 can play that game. You falsely accuse someone because of hearsay and prejudice and you can consider it as ".... already been broughten".