Poker hand (what would you do? 1/3 NLH

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FriscoKid
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Your hand Q 6 hearts.

Pre-flop limp or small call. 4 players see flop.

Flop comes 2H JH KS. You are first to act and bet $10. Player to left folds. Next all in for $90. Big stack calls.

What do you do?
babyshark
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fart and fold
Woody2006
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Fold
Know Your Enemy
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How much does big stack have? How much do you have?
Sweet Kitten Feet
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Fold
aggieaviator
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Fold.. I don't play hope poker with real $$.
FriscoKid
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Junkhead said:

How much does big stack have? How much do you have?

$120
NWE
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Call. That's show biz baby.
Mucho austin
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I can't imagine the other guys are okay with you being on your phone getting tips while playing.
mike_ags_fan12
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Call. Knock him out and play the other two cards out. One heart beats whatever he's holding unless he's got an A or K of hearts.

What's the gbs board on this? Tonight I got dealt a 9c and Jh off suit. Everybody calls and the river shoots out 9h 9s 8c. I check so everybody can bet and I'll bet higher, but everybody check. Next card is a king, which I throw in 500. Guy nexts to me goes all in, but the dealer, thinking it was just me and him playing each other, rounds up all the cards not knowing there was another player that went all in. We try to remember what exactly was delt because it turns out one of the Burn cards was a king also. Turns out the other play was holding a king and 10 off suit.So we end up just splitting the side pot but we ask to play it out and I would have beat him with my trip 9s. In a way I feel like I got screwed but how does one fix that problem?
HarleySpoon
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If you're playing the cards, fold depending on stack sizes. If you're playing the cards and the players....then it depends as we know nothing about the players or your projected table rep.
cisgenderedAggie
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I think you eat your own **** for not folding Q-6 preflop
FriscoKid
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I folded. Turn was a heart.

Pot odds said call there. Head to head maybe not, but two were in. Also, somehow I was in a little deeper than the original post. I want to say I was in closer to $30-$40.
FriscoKid
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cisgenderedAggie said:

I think you eat your own **** for not folding Q-6 preflop

I was probably BB. Don't remember exactly. That's why I said I limped or called small bet. Maybe someone bumped it to 6.
Max Power
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Fold is the right call, you had nothing after the flop, community high card.
CaddoAggie96
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What the **** is a frush?
Ag 11
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CaddoAggie96 said:

What the **** is a frush?


You never played poker in Chinatown?
FriscoKid
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Max Power said:

Fold is the right call, you had nothing after the flop, community high card.

I don't think so. I had about 3.5 : 1 pot odds into 9 outs. I'm pretty sure you make the call there but it was close. 36% to triple up.
uneedastraw
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My opinion is you should not have raised. If you really wanted to see cards, you check and call his raise which would likely not have been all in without your initial bet.
bagger05
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FriscoKid said:

Max Power said:

Fold is the right call, you had nothing after the flop, community high card.

I don't think so. I had about 3.5 : 1 pot odds into 9 outs. I'm pretty sure you make the call there but it was close. 36% to triple up.

Based on the way you described the hand to that point I think you should assume decent chance that one of those two is holding the A-H or K-H, maybe even suited. Also one of them has possibly hit a set or two pairs and you could be screwed if the board pairs.

Looks like your calculation is based on a 100% chance you have the best hand if you hit your flush and I think you should at least assume you're screwed if there are four hearts on the board.
javajaws
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Max Power said:

Fold is the right call, you had nothing after the flop, community high card.
If he only had those 5 cards to make a hand, then true he had nothing. But that's not the case. What he got was increased odds of having a winning hand by the end. That's far from "nothing".
bagger05
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He got increased chances of making a flush. Whether Q high flush is a winning hand depends on what the other people have.
Know Your Enemy
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Pot odds say to call in that situation.
500,000ags
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I would feel like I'm drawing against at least one made hand. Plus, the big stack wasn't going to let you see the river for free knowing a draw was out there.
Wicked Good Ag
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Cash game. Call
Tourney without rebuy. Close but I fold simply because I am behind and can find better opportunities later on.

From the actual hand
You made a pot size bet which is normal. After the first big raise and call you know you have roughly 220+ in pot and you have to call 80 more with a possible 30 more in the turn/river which would would have odds to call again with the odds even if the heart didn't hit on the turn.
boy09
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cisgenderedAggie said:

I think you eat your own **** for not folding Q-6 preflop

+1

Limping in early position with Q-6 is where you screwed up.
BQ_90
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Go fish
birdman
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Depends on what kind of player made the $90 bet.

It also depends on the guy behind you that hasn't decided yet.
ORAggieFan
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There is a pretty decent chance you're drawing dead here. Easy fold and your loss for playing that crap.
FriscoKid
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500,000ags said:

I would feel like I'm drawing against at least one made hand. Plus, the big stack wasn't going to let you see the river for free knowing a draw was out there.

No doubt I was behind at the time. That's not the point.
500,000ags
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The point is that if I'm the big stack, betting into someone who even MIGHT be fishing for a flush. You're not going to see that river without paying for it. Seems like a bad hand to gamble on when also accounting for the other guy who went all-in already.
FriscoKid
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500,000ags said:

The point is that if I'm the big stack, betting into someone who even MIGHT be fishing for a flush. You're not going to see that river without paying for it. Seems like a bad hand to gamble on when also accounting for the other guy who went all-in already.
Making the call would have put me effectively all in regardless. It wouldn't change my pot odds much or put me at more risk to lose more money. I absolutely would have seen the river.

As someone said (and I think it's correct) pot odds said make the call there and it would have worked out that time because the flush did come on the turn. That hand would win around 35% of the time and you are getting paid off and 3 for one.
FriscoKid
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You start with $100 and each hand cost's $1 to play. You will double up (or win 35% of the time).

At the end you will have $70...

Now if you will triple up every hand that you win then....

At the end of the 100 hands you will have $105

Basically a coin flip. Slightly better odds to call there.
bagger05
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FriscoKid said:

500,000ags said:

The point is that if I'm the big stack, betting into someone who even MIGHT be fishing for a flush. You're not going to see that river without paying for it. Seems like a bad hand to gamble on when also accounting for the other guy who went all-in already.
Making the call would have put me effectively all in regardless. It wouldn't change my pot odds much or put me at more risk to lose more money. I absolutely would have seen the river.

As someone said (and I think it's correct) pot odds said make the call there and it would have worked out that time because the flush did come on the turn. That hand would win around 35% of the time and you are getting paid off and 3 for one.

This is where I think your calculation is off. I don't see how you conclude you have a 100% chance of winning the hand if you make your flush based on how the other players have been acting.
ORAggieFan
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Pot odds are not in your favor. This reads of a set raising you and nut flush calling (or vise versa). Too many times you're left with less than 9 outs and often 0.

You guys are evaluating odds basically against top pair with not flush options, which is best case scenario.
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