A Scientology Rebuttal from an ex-sea org

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Vernada
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Long read, but what else are you going to do on a Friday afternoon!?

http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?p=289965&highlight=#289965

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In a message dated 1/24/2008 10:45:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, XXX


@gmail.com writes:


Hi Chuck,

I have a letter below from a friend of a friend and thought you would
enjoy it and would be able to get it out everywhere you could.


Here it is:


"Dear Karin [Pouw, spokesperson for official Scientology],


"I could not resist the opportunity to write you this letter having
read your official rebuttal regarding the Tom Cruise biography.


"I have been involved in the Church of Scientology since birth. David
Miscavige as you well know is my father's brother, making him my
uncle.


"In fact you and I actually know each other although not very well.


"I cannot comment on your responses regarding the personal life of Tom
Cruise because I know nothing about this, but I am absolutely shocked
at how vehemently you insist upon not only denying the truths that
have been stated about the Church in that biography, but then take it
a step further and tell outright lies.


"You go so far as to state:


'7. Does Scientology encourage their members not to speak to
their family if they don't support the religion?


'This allegation is not only false, it is the opposite of what the
Church believes and practices.' -Karin Pouw


"As you well know, my parents officially left the Church when I was 16
in 2000. I, having been separated from them at the age of 12 and
thoroughly engulfed in the beliefs of the Church since birth decided
not to go with them.


"Not only was I not allowed to speak to them, I was not allowed to
answer a phone for well over a year, in case it was them calling me.
To give exact specifics, this "law" was enforced ruthlessly by one
Tracye Danilovoch - the local representative for the Religious
Technology Center - who intercepted all letters from my parents (and
my friends). She would then pass them on to Marc Rathbun (the then 2nd
in command of the Church) and Mike Rinder - who happens to be the
former head of YOUR office - "The Office of Special Affairs" (you can
thank me later for not elaborating on this one). Only after they had
seen the letters and decided it was ok for me to see them would I
receive some of them while sitting in a board room while they watched
me read them and asked me to comment on them.


"I was allowed to visit my parents from the age of 16-22, once a year
for a maximum of 3-4 days, but that was only after they (my parents)
threatened legal action if the Church got in the way of this and even
then only after I underwent a "Security Check Confessional" before I
saw them and immediately after I came back. A security check is
interrogation (usually about if I intend on leaving the Church, or
finding out if my parents have said anything bad about the Church,
etc.) while being attached to an electrophsychometer which is similar
to a lie detector. This happened every single time I saw then (which
was never more than 3 or 4 days a year).


"For a more recent example of families being destroyed, My Aunt
Jennifer Pantermeuhl has recently contacted my parents and let them
know that she can no longer speak to them or be in contact with them
because they speak to and live near, my other Aunt Sarah Mortland.
Sarah is my mom's and Jennifer's sister. This is because Sarah is not
in favor with the Church. Jennifer also contacted my brother Sterling
as well as the rest of the family for the same reason most of whom had
to lie to her and said they weren't talking to Sarah for fear of
getting found out about.


"Another good example would be when my other brother, Justin, was in
Florida a few years ago and was on his way to visit our Aunt Denise
Gentile (our father's sister and David Miscavige's twin) with his
girlfriend. Denise abruptly cancelled while they were on their way
over because the Church would not approve - because he was an ex-
member. Not to mention the fact that Kirsten Caetano (a member of the
Church's Office of Special Affairs - the very same organization you
belong to) was contacting Justin several times when he was in Florida
working, telling him that he needed to leave the state because he is
an ex-member and his presence at the "mecca of scientology" was
disturbing to the church. Kristen has admitted to my face that she did
this when I confronted her and even went so far as to admit that she
lied to my brother after denying the incident. This is the least of
what Kirsten Caetano has done!


"You cite this quote from L.Ron Hubbard about what the Church believes
with regards to families..... yes we know what the Church claims to
"believe" and has written in its policies! - BUT do they practice
that? Absolutely not!


" I can name at least 5 friends off the top of my head who's family
members are not allowed to speak to them without being themselves
ousted from the Church and prevented from communicating with other
members of their family and even their children still involved in the
Church lest THEY too be ousted! They cant speak to their children
because they have left the Church on their own determinism. This is a
widespread practice and if you dare deny it I have a list of all of
there names together-these people's families are crying every day
because they can't speak to their children who did nothing but leave
the Church of their own free will.


"If I am in fact wrong and you want to prove me as such, then allow me
and my family to be in contact with our family members that are still
part of the Church such as my Grandpa, Ron Miscavige, and his wife,
Becky. Allow the same of my friends. And don't even start with the,
"it's their choice all along story..." -nobody is going to buy that,
there are way too many destroyed families for that to be true.


"I am tempted to take up many of the other accusations you
categorically deny in your novel, but for the purpose of keeping this
letter readable and focused on the most important part (family) I will
resist.


"I will suggest however that maybe you should spend the manpower and
time of drafting your masterpiece rebuttal - why don't you take the
high road for once and put that time towards repairing the families
you have destroyed, starting with the family of David Miscavige
himself - hell, if Scientology can't keep his family together - then
why on earth should anyone believe the Church helps bring families
together!


"Best,


"Jenna Miscavige Hill"
_________________
Best, Chuck Beatty
ex-Sea Org (1975-2003)
Bottlerocket
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Umm...best candidate for "cliff notes please"
Vernada
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Maybe you missed my first sentence...
Human
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9 out of 10 people won't read that,

so why not some Cliff Notes?
Vernada
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Well bec I haven't completed reading the whole thing and I really don't care if anyone reads it or not. I think this is interesting stuff and figured some of you might also.

Basically, it is an ex-member giving her experience on the subject of "Does Scientology encourage their members not to speak to
their family if they don't support the religion?"

She's gives a detailed life experience of how much they not only encourage but actively forced it on her.

schmendeler
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i don't understand how a "church" could prevent a 12 year old from seeing his/her family. especially if the parents wanted to see the child.
Vernada
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No telling.

Intimidation maybe? I've read that every audit you've ever done is recorded and stored. The theory on Nicole Kidman never publicly speaking out against them was that it was threatened that audit tapes where she reveals things about her sex-life would be revealed.
TennAg
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That's a big deal that someone named Miscavige wrote that. She better watch her back.
ParisTx04
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A few years ago, before the endorsement of Tom Cruise, there was a kid at Penn State (I think) that wrote some bad things about Scientology on a message board. The "church" sent people from California to Pennsylvania to spy on him, harass him, etc. Eventually they sued him for some stuff and got him fired from his job. I'll look for the link right now.

Now what other "religion" that you know about copyrights its materials and makes you buy them? If I asked a Muslim about the Koran, I bet he could give me a copy. If I asked a Christian about the Bible, I bet he'd give me one.
CrockerAg98
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She's going to wind up in a ditch with Jerry O'Connell.
TennAg
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Yep, "celebrity centers" are primarily just book stores.
Vernada
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They'll all find themselves "Fair Game."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_%28Scientology%29

(That makes them sound a bit like terrorists.)
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