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Out of 12 shots fired from WPD, how many were fatal? How many head shots? Left that out so far.

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I thought someone in this thread told us there were bikers shot with a .308 in the head.....

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Shush! Don't disrupt the anti-cop / pro-biker narrative!

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Didn't the police tell us there were a thousand shots fired?

Seems unnamed rumor mongers and the police spokesman are both wrong.

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Why does it make any difference to you if it was a headshot or not?

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They are trained center mass. Head shot would have been a mistake.

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Why does it make any difference to you if it was a headshot or not?

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Autopsy reports + .223 to the head= number of bikers killed by popo

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If findings from search warrants to examine possessions of bikers booked into jail are indication, some bikers (though hardly all) wear vests, T-shirts and other apparel and adornments touting ties with the Bandidos - a gang linked by the FBI to drug trafficking and prostitution - or the Cossacks, reportedly contesting in violent fashion the Bandidos' claim over Texas, defiantly symbolized by near-sacred patches on their vests.

Some law-abiding people who wear motorcycle gang colors or flirt with such gangs may not care that they're associating with gangsters on bikes reportedly engaged in such things as cross-border drug-running. Running with rebels holds tremendous appeal.

"I've seen otherwise normal men kind of take on this wannabe outlaw biker demeanor when they ride," said James Quinn, a University of North Texas professor who has written on motorcycle gangs. "I call them Rolex riders. They're very respectable people who enjoy looking like a bad boy for a few hours on a Saturday afternoon and hanging out at a Twin Peaks."

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Vest colors and insignia played a role in police arrests and may explain why some bikers are still in jail. Quinn says police investigation of inmates' criminal records and smartphones - who was texting what and when - may help sort out who's a real outlaw and who's a weekend warrior ripe for release or sharply reduced bond. While he endorses police actions in the wake of the shootout - an unprecedented event in biker annals in scope and setting - he also notes the strong streak of rebellion and liberty in our history.

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Still, when some of these everyday, ordinary bikers are finally released from county stir, they would be wise, for the sake of their families and livelihoods, to re-evaluate whether they've become unwitting foot soldiers in deep way over their heads in a motorcycle gang war some say is escalating.

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And on Friday Chief Stroman made clear that colors were the connective tissue in deciding who got arrested on May 17. He also stressed the department's faith in the charges, despite bikers' claims they're bogus: "We would expect that type of narrative to go out. A hundred and seventy-seven people were put in jail. There was probable cause for the arrest of 177 people. Absolutely."

With the national news media spotlight off to the next stories - furor in McKinney involving an overwhelmed police officer caught amidst racial tensions and an attack on Dallas police headquarters - followup on the Waco biker story will increasingly fall to the local and area press. Already initial impressions by national punditry about the shootings ring hollow, including those who suggested police weren't as vigorous in handling mostly white bikers as they would have been with African Americans. Bikers last Sunday certainly disagreed, claiming not only the dead (or most of them) are victims of police over-reaction but that those arrested have suffered through a lack of due process. They also stress that most bikers are law-abiding people with no criminal bent.

The Trib may well have to revise its own estimation that the Twin Peaks dustup won't leave a stigma attached to Waco such as that spawned by the 51-day Branch Davidian siege of 1993, which sparked wild conspiracy theories while leaving Waco with a black eye that had only recently begun to disappear. With legal questions revolving around interpretations of the First, Second, Fourth, Fifth and Eighth amendments - including the right to wear motorcycle gang colors if you so choose - there's enough constitutional grist in this complicated saga to keep state and federal courts busy for years. And that's allowing also for a conspiracy theory or two. It's the American way.

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You aren't a felon if not convicted.

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