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People of all types pull themselves up by the bootstraps all the time. It's not a myth. Talk about making up ***** Good lord
We're talking statistics. Not anecdotes.
No "we're" not. There hasn't been a single one listed or cited.
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People of all types pull themselves up by the bootstraps all the time. It's not a myth. Talk about making up ***** Good lord
We're talking statistics. Not anecdotes.
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When compared to 24 middle-income and high- income countries, the U.S. ranks 16th in the amount of intergenerational earnings mobility.
quote:Then why does everyone want to come here?
http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/reports/2015/07/economic-mobility-in-the-united-states
http://inequality.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/economic_mobility_short.pdf
http://inequality.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/Pathways-SOTU-2016-Economic-Mobility-3.pdfquote:
When compared to 24 middle-income and high- income countries, the U.S. ranks 16th in the amount of intergenerational earnings mobility.
Overall, in all facets, we are 10th in economic mobility, wealth mobility, job creation, and poverty support out of 10 advanced countries with the data to support an across-the -board comparison.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/01/news/economy/poverty-inequality-united-states/
http://www.npr.org/2014/01/23/265356290/study-upward-mobility-no-tougher-in-u-s-than-two-decades-ago
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Sounds lovely. Too bad statistically the "pull yourself by your bootstraps" myth is just a myth. We have less economic mobility than much of Europe.
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Sounds lovely. Too bad statistically the "pull yourself by your bootstraps" myth is just a myth. We have less economic mobility than much of Europe.
Bootstraps only work if you pull on them.
quote:Sorry, but you are full of ****. Nobody here said that 'pull yourself up by your bootstraps' is universally applied and all will fundamentally benefit from it. You have to actually DO IT to benefit from it.
Sounds lovely. Too bad statistically the "pull yourself by your bootstraps" myth is just a myth. We have less economic mobility than much of Europe.
quote:statistics are a bull**** red-herring in the argument. The fact that it has happened means that is can happen and those that have not risen above their poverty either haven't tried hard enough, don't care or are too lazy to try.
Sounds lovely. Too bad statistically the "pull yourself by your bootstraps" myth is just a myth. We have less economic mobility than much of Europe.
quote:The problem is not reality, the problem lies within the mind of Dr. Watson and his erroneous thinking/values.quote:Sorry, but you are full of ****. Nobody here said that 'pull yourself up by your bootstraps' is universally applied and all will fundamentally benefit from it. You have to actually DO IT to benefit from it.
Sounds lovely. Too bad statistically the "pull yourself by your bootstraps" myth is just a myth. We have less economic mobility than much of Europe.
We may be 16th out of 24, but so what? I personally know numerous people who crossed the Mexico/US border with nothing but the clothes on their back who now are successful business owners. It can be done--period. It's done far more often by those with far fewer means than our own citizens who have myriad advantages over recent immigrants.
My own father's family came out of the depression with virtually nothing and became very successful.
Statistical myth my ass.
BTW, most of your sources are from hard left leaning groups. Any wonder? I think not.
quote:find me 100 people who work multiple jobs and remain poor and I will show you the choices they have made or continue to make everyday that perpetuates that lifestyle. These choices are not your nor my responsibility.
I'd rather you not put words in my mouth. I want people to work hard. And most people work very hard. Believe it or not, the majority of poor people are working and working hard. They're pulling on their bootstraps. But one bad decision or one bad break can ruin people in this country in a way it doesn't in other countries. You seem to be living a myth that if you just work hard, everything will work out and you'll be better off. That's not born out by the data. People born in poor households have lower educational and health outcomes, and fewer opportunities. That's simple fact. Many are able to advance. Many, many more are not. And they are not lazy people.
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You aren't thinking in terms of principle.
quote:the United States military is ample opportunity for any individual born into any situation in life. Join up, work 20 years and have retirement and healthcare for life. This isn't rocket science. Stop making excuses.quote:
You aren't thinking in terms of principle.
Principle is nice. Here's mine: equality of opportunity. You're claiming there is currently equality of opportunity for someone born into a nice suburb to middle class white parents vs a black child born in an urban ghetto. Anyone with functioning brain cells knows that's bs.
quote:quote:the United States military is ample opportunity for any individual born into any situation in life. Join up, work 20 years and have retirement and healthcare for life. This isn't rocket science. Stop making excuses.quote:
You aren't thinking in terms of principle.
Principle is nice. Here's mine: equality of opportunity. You're claiming there is currently equality of opportunity for someone born into a nice suburb to middle class white parents vs a black child born in an urban ghetto. Anyone with functioning brain cells knows that's bs.
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And you're basically saying poor people need to put their lives on the line just to have a chance at a middle class life.
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These are good points. I would also stipulate that people with access to jobs and can't/won't keep them, not be allowed back onto welfare. The enabling of laziness has to stop.
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What helped many of those immigrants' children was the GI Bill and VA loans.
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What helped many of those immigrants' children was the GI Bill and VA loans.
So, you are now saying that poor people should enlist and put their lives on the line to make it into the middle class?
Make up your mind.
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No I get it. Everyone but blacks had help getting homes and such.
But you also discounted the benefits of enlisting when you said poor people shouldn't have to in order to break into the middle class. The ultimate lesson here is that the majority of the poor that is born here has become enabled to remain so. They don't want to work hard to earn a living. And who would when there is no end to welfare funds given to them.
Rewarding bad behavior.
Welfare used to be seen as a shameful thing. No longer.
quote:I was just thinking Dr. Watson was a dead ringer for that guy. His views on the intrinsic inheritable evil of ill-begotten wealth was fascinating to dig into.
What is Sapper doing about all this injustice for black people wasting all his time posting on Texags.