Manchester United 2023-24 Thread

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Dre_00
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4:13p, 4/4/24
Ah well. We knew we'd eff this up.
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4:14p, 4/4/24
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So ****ing STUPID
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Thunder18
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4:14p, 4/4/24
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Another paper tissue soft call if this stands
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4:15p, 4/4/24
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Should have let him take the shot…
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4:15p, 4/4/24
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The minute they names Garnacho MOTM at 90' I know that would come back and bite us.
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4:15p, 4/4/24
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That's a soft AF penalty. But agree it wasn't an egregious error.
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4:16p, 4/4/24
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Chelsea now leads the universe in soft PKs
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Furlock Bones
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4:16p, 4/4/24
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That is so ****ing soft.
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Dre_00
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4:17p, 4/4/24
LMAO
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4:18p, 4/4/24
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Oh my god kill me now
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Mathguy64
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In reply to Mathguy64 • 4:18p, 4/4/24
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Mathguy64 said:
The minute they names Garnacho MOTM at 90' I know that would come back and bite us.
****ing A
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4:18p, 4/4/24
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Just unbelievable. Never should've been given 8 minutes of ET and the team just mentally shut down there. Un****ingbelievable
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4:19p, 4/4/24
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ETH has no idea how to win a game with this team
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oh no
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4:19p, 4/4/24
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wow
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4:19p, 4/4/24
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There's a 6:16 train tomorrow morning leaving London station to Amsterdam. No need for EtH to even travel back to Manchester.
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Mathguy64
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4:19p, 4/4/24
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If that doesnt go in its another PK. That was handling by McT
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4:21p, 4/4/24
That should just about do it for ETH. Don't think even winning the FA Cup will save him.
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Dre_00
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4:28p, 4/4/24
The problem for ETH is that the only way United can win a game is if they make the game a complete madhouse. United only win when they abandon the midfield entirely and just go 120 mph an hour down the pitch making both numerous basic errors and also displaying incredible moments of talent and skill.

That's not sustainable and it's not a foundation to become a top team. I don't know how Ratcliffe or Barrada could look at how United play today and say "Ah yes, I see what you're working toward. The picture is fuzzy and far from complete but I see it." I have no idea what exactly this team is working towards. It's just complete end to end nonsense ball like we're playing an NBA All-Star game and hoping it all works out.
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Furlock Bones
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In reply to Dre_00 • 4:32p, 4/4/24
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Which adds more fuel to the EtH fire because his personnel decisions have been giant flaming piles.
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Dre_00
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In reply to Furlock Bones • 4:40p, 4/4/24
I agree. But that doesn't really matter in a world in which he will never ever make those decisions again. The only thing that he should be judged on is the whether or not he's making progress towards something that could tactically compete at the highest level. Really hard to say he is based on this season.

It's not the losing. It's how they play.
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4:48p, 4/4/24
I'm beginning to think that were it not for beating Liverpool and drawing Coventry in the FA Cup, he would very likely be fired before the season and United would just go interim coach till the end of the season. CL is over…even with the extra slot.

But United are likely (though far from guaranteed) to be playing in the FA Cup Final. Unless you have a great interim at your disposal, ETH is likely your best chance of winning it even if it isn't a good chance. Don't think United will throw that chance away slim as it may be. Only way they would is if they thought the perfect replacement is available now but that is very likely not the case.
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4:53p, 4/4/24
Alright it's late so I'm going to pretend that United firing ETH once CL is officially ruled out after beating Coventry in the FA semis and bringing back SAF for the final few league games in the league and the FA Cup Final as Fergie beats Guardiola before making way for the new manager is a thing that could actually happen so that I fall asleep with a grin.
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9:33a, 4/5/24
AG
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Furlock Bones
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9:40a, 4/5/24
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30 matches in. -1 GD. Sometimes you don't need advanced stats.
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In reply to Dre_00 • 10:28a, 4/5/24
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Dre_00 said:
The problem for ETH is that the only way United can win a game is if they make the game a complete madhouse. United only win when they abandon the midfield entirely and just go 120 mph an hour down the pitch making both numerous basic errors and also displaying incredible moments of talent and skill.

That's not sustainable and it's not a foundation to become a top team. I don't know how Ratcliffe or Barrada could look at how United play today and say "Ah yes, I see what you're working toward. The picture is fuzzy and far from complete but I see it." I have no idea what exactly this team is working towards. It's just complete end to end nonsense ball like we're playing an NBA All-Star game and hoping it all works out.
Earlier in the season when United came back at home from an 0-2 deficit one of the commentators said basically the same thing. Something like "United play best in desperation mode".

It's not much different than the Bielsa (or Marsch) model of pure press and chaos. The difference is we don't have the player depth or fitness to attempt it for any length of time.

The flip side is they also can't sit back and just play defense for any length of time. They do in spurts but other times they are just horrid.
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In reply to oh no • 11:14a, 4/5/24
AG
I didn't want to slam someone, but Rashford's performance yesterday was completely embarassing. I understand he's not been in form this year, but his effort on defense has been shockingly bad this year. And yesterday he didn't start, so it wasn't like he had the excuse that he had to be ready to play 90 minutes. He came on around the 65th minute, right? You can't give 35 minutes of effort against Chelsea?

Like I said, I'm a fan, and still am a Rashford fan (I don't want them to sell him) but… he hasn't made it easy to be a fan this year between the poor form, the missing training to go to out the night before, and the low effort. I'm honestly at the same point I am with ten Hag where I don't want him to go, but if SJR and Ineos got rid of him, I certainly couldn't say I didn't understand it.

(That said, the next manager betting odds still have Southgate as the top choice which I don't understand at all. He would be close to the bottom for me out of all the names on the odds list; I'd rather they bring Jose or Ole back, and I'm not even kidding)
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In reply to Furlock Bones • 11:36a, 4/5/24
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Furlock Bones said:
30 matches in. -1 GD. Sometimes you don't need advanced stats.


I assume that there's some sort of Pythagorean w/l for GD like there is for baseball. Pretty crazy y'all are in 6th with a negative gd.
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In reply to ChipFTAC01 • 3:12p, 4/5/24
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It's not that surprising. There are really a few tiers. Top 3 have +38 to +48 GD. 4th and 5th are Villa and Spurs at +18 and +17. Then United through Fulham at 6th through 13th are in a narrow band of -5 to +5 GD with two exceptions: Newcastle at +12 and Bournemouth at -9. Those are explained largely by Newcastle beating Sheffield United 8-0, and Bournemouth getting battered at the start of the year and being in the relegation battle before improving in winter to now. Then you have near relegation teams at 14th through 17th at -11 to -16. And then you have the three bottom at -21, -34, and -52.

Basically, no one can really complain too much about which of those tiers they are in. West Ham is next behind us in 7th at -5 GD.
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10:28a, 4/6/24
U-18s beat Liverpool 9-1. Gotta take the wins where you can get them at this point.
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In reply to Dre_00 • 2:49p, 4/6/24
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Y'all take it easy on our senior team tomorrow please.
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8:34a, 4/7/24
Good news. We have a player on the bench whose primary position is LB.

Bad news. He's 17 years old and just signed his first professional contract 3 weeks ago.
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9:35a, 4/7/24
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I know the instruction is to hold the flag and wait but dude. It was obvious. Just raise it and move on.
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9:45a, 4/7/24
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So. You have no healthy LBs and 2 RBs. One plays out of position.

I would rather AWB play on the left and move Dalot over.
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9:49a, 4/7/24
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Bruno, offside and pulled down. No foul because he's off.

Taylor puts up the arm and Bruno with the big "oh **** off".

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9:54a, 4/7/24
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Another ****ty soft set piece goal given up
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