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.......for going to a bar.
You're right. There is no other context involved.
My bad.
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.......for going to a bar.
quote:feel free to add context that makes him no longer their best shot for winning as many games as possible for the rest of the season.quote:
.......for going to a bar.
You're right. There is no other context involved.
My bad.
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feel free to add context that makes him no longer their best shot for winning as many games as possible for the rest of the season.
quote:do you have proof that he was insubordinate? i've not seen anything from the browns that indicates that he was told he couldn't go to a bar in his off week.quote:
feel free to add context that makes him no longer their best shot for winning as many games as possible for the rest of the season.
Behavior? Insubordination?
quote:quote:feel free to add context that makes him no longer their best shot for winning as many games as possible for the rest of the season.quote:
.......for going to a bar.
You're right. There is no other context involved.
My bad.
quote:Ive watched quite a few browns games this year and this just isn't true.
McCown is a more experienced and better quarterback overall than Johnny right now
quote:quote:Ive watched quite a few browns games this year and this just isn't true.
McCown is a more experienced and better quarterback overall than Johnny right now
quote:quote:do you have proof that he was insubordinate? i've not seen anything from the browns that indicates that he was told he couldn't go to a bar in his off week.quote:
feel free to add context that makes him no longer their best shot for winning as many games as possible for the rest of the season.
Behavior? Insubordination?
behavior? what behavior? singing a song along with others in a bar?
regardless, how does that make him no longer their best shot of winning the most games the rest of the season?
quote:they must have because that's the only way this makes any sense.quote:do you have proof that he was insubordinate? i've not seen anything from the browns that indicates that he was told he couldn't go to a bar in his off week.quote:
feel free to add context that makes him no longer their best shot for winning as many games as possible for the rest of the season.
Behavior? Insubordination?
behavior? what behavior? singing a song along with others in a bar?
regardless, how does that make him no longer their best shot of winning the most games the rest of the season?
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The only way this makes a lick of sense is if promises were made or limits were set. And if that's the case then that is 100% on Johnny. Whether the rules are petty or not doesn't matter. He agreed to their petty rules.
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Last week, Manziel said he would neither be a distraction nor an embarrassment during his bye week. He didn't get in any legal trouble, but after the website Busted Coverage posted pictures and a since-deleted Instagram video from an Austin, Texas nightclub last Friday, Pettine spent his first post-bye press conference Tuesday answering 19 questions about Manziel and discussing a disturbing pattern of behavior.
quote:I have a feeling mommy and daddy will always bail him out so I don't see him ever truly hitting rock bottom like someone who is forced to sink or swim.
He is a tragic hero and it's a damn shame because it never ends well. He hasn't hit his rock bottom yet, not even close. Hope he can pull himself out of it.
quote:quote:quote:He told the Browns he had cleaned up his act. He told the Browns they had nothing to worry about moving forward. He lied.quote:
He could take a bunny from a little girl and kill it in front of her and people would defend him. That's the really sad part of his story.
Terrible example. Besides, what is there to defend? Going out on an off week?
It is not about this one incident. It is about a track record of behavior proving to the Browns that they cannot trust him with the keys to their team. It is a "trust" issue, not a legal issue, or even a right/wrong issue.
Are you suggesting that Johnny can't have an alcoholic drink in public on his off weeks?
quote:I think Johnny didn't see what he did as a distraction, which is incredibly naive even if it shouldn't be a distraction. I think he figured he's have a good time. do his charity thing the next day. head back to work early and no one would give a rip. That's just flat out dumb given the microscope he's under.
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Last week, Manziel said he would neither be a distraction nor an embarrassment during his bye week. He didn't get in any legal trouble, but after the website Busted Coverage posted pictures and a since-deleted Instagram video from an Austin, Texas nightclub last Friday, Pettine spent his first post-bye press conference Tuesday answering 19 questions about Manziel and discussing a disturbing pattern of behavior.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/11/24/pettine-forced-finally-to-ask-for-support-in-disciplining-manziel/
quote:quote:I think Johnny didn't see what he did as a distraction, which is incredibly naive even if it shouldn't be a distraction. I think he figured he's have a good time. do his charity thing the next day. head back to work early and no one would give a rip. That's just flat out dumb given the microscope he's under.
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Last week, Manziel said he would neither be a distraction nor an embarrassment during his bye week. He didn't get in any legal trouble, but after the website Busted Coverage posted pictures and a since-deleted Instagram video from an Austin, Texas nightclub last Friday, Pettine spent his first post-bye press conference Tuesday answering 19 questions about Manziel and discussing a disturbing pattern of behavior.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/11/24/pettine-forced-finally-to-ask-for-support-in-disciplining-manziel/
As for the 19 questions all Pettine had to do was say that Johnny has prepared well, and that he came back early ready to work and that's it. Be a friggin coach and command the room. Pettine has proven himself to be a meathead.
The Browns organization has contributed to MAKING this a distraction. After the press conference the story would've died, but then they demoted him. yeah the MNF crew would've brought it up, but again if Pettine could've mitigated that by simply telling the truth and setting the narrative - Johnny has prepared hard and played well, we gave him the starting job, we gave them 5 days off and he came back after 3 ready to go and that's what's important. Tell that to the media. Tell that to MNF and this thing really dies down.
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The only way this makes a lick of sense is if promises were made or limits were set. And if that's the case then that is 100% on Johnny. Whether the rules are petty or not doesn't matter. He agreed to their petty rules.
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Yeah, "real professionals" keep it under control...
#hth #firepettine #dallscowboys
quote:And that would have been one or two questions had his answer been anything along the lines of "Johnny went home during his six days that he is required not to be in the facility. While home he went to a club and drank responsibly and stayed out of trouble. He then proceeded to come back and get to work (away from the facility) two days early, so what's the question here?"quote:
The only way this makes a lick of sense is if promises were made or limits were set. And if that's the case then that is 100% on Johnny. Whether the rules are petty or not doesn't matter. He agreed to their petty rules.
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Last week, Manziel said he would neither be a distraction nor an embarrassment during his bye week. He didn't get in any legal trouble, but after the website Busted Coverage posted pictures and a since-deleted Instagram video from an Austin, Texas nightclub last Friday, Pettine spent his first post-bye press conference Tuesday answering 19 questions about Manziel and discussing a disturbing pattern of behavior.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/11/24/pettine-forced-finally-to-ask-for-support-in-disciplining-manziel/
quote:So funny how binary this issue has become. Believe it or not you can think that Johnny was dumb for doing this, that's it's appropriate for Cleveland to follow through on whatever consequences they discussed, and still think that cleveland has mishandled Johnny from day one. This incident is further proof of that.quote:quote:I think Johnny didn't see what he did as a distraction, which is incredibly naive even if it shouldn't be a distraction. I think he figured he's have a good time. do his charity thing the next day. head back to work early and no one would give a rip. That's just flat out dumb given the microscope he's under.
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Last week, Manziel said he would neither be a distraction nor an embarrassment during his bye week. He didn't get in any legal trouble, but after the website Busted Coverage posted pictures and a since-deleted Instagram video from an Austin, Texas nightclub last Friday, Pettine spent his first post-bye press conference Tuesday answering 19 questions about Manziel and discussing a disturbing pattern of behavior.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/11/24/pettine-forced-finally-to-ask-for-support-in-disciplining-manziel/
As for the 19 questions all Pettine had to do was say that Johnny has prepared well, and that he came back early ready to work and that's it. Be a friggin coach and command the room. Pettine has proven himself to be a meathead.
The Browns organization has contributed to MAKING this a distraction. After the press conference the story would've died, but then they demoted him. yeah the MNF crew would've brought it up, but again if Pettine could've mitigated that by simply telling the truth and setting the narrative - Johnny has prepared hard and played well, we gave him the starting job, we gave them 5 days off and he came back after 3 ready to go and that's what's important. Tell that to the media. Tell that to MNF and this thing really dies down.
Re read your quote:
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The only way this makes a lick of sense is if promises were made or limits were set. And if that's the case then that is 100% on Johnny. Whether the rules are petty or not doesn't matter. He agreed to their petty rules.
Then you just spent a wall of text deflecting and defending him after you just said it's 100% on him. C'mon guys, it isn't that difficult. No one thinks what he did was egregious. No one is upset that he's living his life.
However, given his past, and given the situation he was just awarded, he was asked not to be a distraction, he said he wouldn't, and then he proceeded to go do just that. It sucks, but it's true.
quote:c'mon bunk... i think we all get itquote:
Yeah, "real professionals" keep it under control...
#hth #firepettine #dallscowboys
Another person who doesn't get it. Spreadsheet updated.