The whole Morgan character has been dumb ever since he came back. The whole notion that he would turn into some sort of ninja after a few months is ridiculous. Him not wanting to kill anybody merely adds to the lameness. I wish they would have made him a guy who uses cunning to stay alive rather than make him Liam Neeson all of the sudden. That type of character in TV/movies has been played out for at least a decade now.

Other than that, great episode and great season so far. I hope they don't blow their $$ in the first few episodes and have to make up for it with boring episodes in the middle of the season.

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The whole notion that he would turn into some sort of ninja after a few months is ridiculous.

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Not so fast, my friend. It has been at least a year. He has probably had to put his stick to use (insert jokes here) on a daily basis. That equals real world practice/implementation, which equals mad skills.

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I'm not going to lie I lol'ed when carol put a bullet through the head of the guy Morgan took the time to tie up.

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Same here. Just as he finishes, she blasts the guy. Hilarious.

Fantastic episode. And agree with objective's observation above - JSS was the "she just did what she had to" as far as betraying them.

I get that Morgan is currently struggling with taking human lives but why did Coral even entertain the possibility of sparing the machete wielding wolf.

Also I'm a little surprised that the semi truck didn't rip through their wall.

How do the wolves have so many deranged people. Do they kidnap some from every town they ransack and brainwash them?

Overall great episode

Maybe wolves came from the prison and are just complete psychos or their from a mental ward. It would be interesting if they have a leader that is someone from the past that we thought was dead or wouldn't see again. What is their goal? Are they just pillagers or do they have some kind of cult mantra they live by. One of them said something like, "you don't belong here".

I thought Enid was a wolf but now I'm not sure. Could be that she is just a loaner following her JSS mentality. She mentioned on TTD that she was only out on her own for a few weeks. She was with her parents surviving for a long time. Where did they come from, had they crossed paths with any of the events Rick's group crossed (Woodbury, Termites, etc.). Apparently they were pretty good at surviving.

Kevin Smith's description on TTD was hilarious.

I think the zombie herding team was 5+ miles away when they heard the horn. Someone mentioned in the last episode that they had to get the herd 20 miles out. Rick sends Morgan when they hear the horn, but that would take him about 40 minutes to get there are a good 8 minute mile pace. The whole ordeal at the town only lasted 45 minutes per TTD. The rest of the group was still dealing with the herd and would have to really haul arse to get back, which it looks like rick is doing in the next episode. Then the zombie herd gets out of control and all hell breaks loose again, possibly giving the wolves time to regroup and come back.

Great episode, though I'm about ready for Morgan to go elsewhere. His wanting to not kill is stupid in the times they're facing.


When Carol was looking at smoking chick and she got machete'd, I was like "WHAT THE ****!? Oh, she mad!!!!"

And Carol handled bidness like a BOSS!

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Pretty sure Rick sent Morgan when they had to start moving the walkers ahead of schedule, not when the horn went off.

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I get that Morgan is currently struggling with taking human lives but why did Coral even entertain the possibility of sparing the machete wielding wolf.

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Well, he's accustomed to killing walkers. He's probably had to kill people (against Governor's group), but he's not a hardened, pragmatic killer like Carol is. I'm not saying Carol LIKES it, but she's just of the opinion that it's something you have to do, even if you don't want to. Like cleaning puke out of your kid's bed and/or carpet.

Honestly, I don't think Carol would be as good at surviving as she is were it not for Ed (he ******-bag, wife-beating dead husband).

Anyone else think the gun that the wolf picked up when Morgan let them go will play a significant roll? I have a feeling that guy will kill someone important with that gun.

Yeah, Morgan's pussness is going to get someone killed. Again.

I also found the watch guard doused in flames to be somewhat unrealistic. It looked like napalm but I don't think that group would have had it. They might have been able to get his clothes on fire but he wouldn't burn to a crisp like that.

But I suspended disbelief and moved on.

Anybody wondering what was in the 18 wheeler that crashed into the wall?

Was that guy just trying to ram the gate with it?

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Anybody wondering what was in the 18 wheeler that crashed into the wall?

Was that guy just trying to ram the gate with it?

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My guess is probably, otherwise we probably would have found out during the episode.

I'm guessing it is full of walkers in back. The trap set for Daryl and Aaron at the end of last season involved walkers in trailers. That's when Morgan saved them from the car.

Dudes wouldn't have had a chance if I was in charge of Alexandria from the beginning.

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I'm guessing it is full of walkers in back. The trap set for Daryl and Aaron at the end of last season involved walkers in trailers. That's when Morgan saved them from the car.

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yep. full of walkers.

The big guy (axe, chipping limbs, chain on belt)that Morgan took down toward the end, was that the same guy from terminus who was locked in the trailer and freed at end? Looked very similar... i know it is a good distance away Georgia to VA, but if our team can make it, perhaps he did too???

Good episode. My comments. Will go back and read others above later.

1) Carole kicks ass all the time. Seriously, tells the kid to get over his crappy dad and then starts killing the wolves wholesale. Awesome sauce.

2) Takes out most of the Wolves herself, killing the ones Morgan was trying to "save" were even better.

3) Could Eugene be more of a coward. God, enough dude, seriously, how can anyone be that much of a coward. Same for some of the women. Grow the eff up already and deal with it. Deana and son are pathetic too. Get it already.

4) Morgan is really pissing me off. Dude, these are unredeemable "people" just kill them. No one is impressed that you're playing the pacifist. Hell, if you'd off'd them earlier, all those people in Alexandria would be alive now. Enough already. This is a messe up world and the rules don't apply.

5) If I missed it, why does Morgan feel this way, did he have to kill his wife and kid and that's why he won't kill ever really, really, really, really bad guys? Either way, dude get over it. It's just irritating.

6) Surprised they didn't do a reshoot on the blood that hit the camera when Carole wasted that guy in the house, pretty shoddy, actually.

7) Carl knows better than to not finish that guy off who grabbed the gun. He knows better.

8) Seriously, cut Carl's GD hair.

9) I'm' embarrassed that I didn't catch that Just Survive Somehow was JSS until I watched Talking Dead. I'm a dork.

I already said it once, but dammit I'll say it again. Will these shows stop having normal guys who happen to be eleventy degree black belts in every martial art? Yeah it was cool in the Matrix (and made some sense there), but damn it's gone sorta overboard now, don't you think?

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I think that we are going to learn just the opposite. As Enid mentioned, these wolves are "just people". Part of the JSS theme to the episode.

These wolves, in order to survive, have simply chosen to show zero compassion or empathy to anyone that isn't part of their pack. In order to survive, each of those individuals has been forced to give up their good side in order to avoid being killed by the pack, and in order to gain the protection of the pack. That one wolf who told Morgan something along the lines of "Who says we had a choice"?... These people are acting as they do because they believe perhaps that it is the only way to survive. Several in our own group were straying towards a similar attitude in the past, but backed off before continuing down that path.

The W scar on the forehead, the complete bloodlust hacking and mutilations after they kill a person.... ways to demonstrate that all sympathy is gone when acting in the best interest of the pack.

Got to think there is something more to the whole hacking off the arms and legs. If you'll recall they ran into a truck completely filled with armless and legless walkers with Ws carved in their foreheads last season.

Are they cannibals?

I thought so, He just looked similar in my head today as I was thinking about the episode.

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These wolves, in order to survive, have simply chosen to show zero compassion or empathy to anyone that isn't part of their pack. In order to survive, each of those individuals has been forced to give up their good side in order to avoid being killed by the pack, and in order to gain the protection of the pack. That one wolf who told Morgan something along the lines of "Who says we had a choice"?... These people are acting as they do because they believe perhaps that it is the only way to survive.

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This.

It's probably like prison culture. In order to survive in prison, lots of guys join Nazi gangs, join other violent groups, become someone's *****, and do all sorts of things to stay alive. They'd never behave like that, think in those cultish ways, or associate with those people outside in the real world...but they gotta do what they gotta do to stay alive. And for some, while they're there, they aren't just pretending...they REALLY become those people while they're behind the walls.

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Good episode. My comments. Will go back and read others above later.

6) Surprised they didn't do a reshoot on the blood that hit the camera when Carole wasted that guy in the house, pretty shoddy, actually.

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False. That it was badass and a great effect

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I have a personal aversion to "breaking the 4th wall." The blood on the camera effects annoy me for that reason.