I enjoyed it for what it was. Not my favorite thing Netflix has done by a long shot. Great mood and style, not so great story and ending.
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I enjoyed it for what it was. Not my favorite thing Netflix has done by a long shot. Great mood and style, not so great story and ending.
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Someone had mentioned it earlier but I really thought they tried to give a nod to Indiana Jones with Hopper towards the end. The low voice, hat and some of his entrances into doorways reminded me of Spielberg shots from IJ.
quote:Not to mention the divorced mother, the bad guys in hazmat suits, and D&D.
Blonde wig, bikes, hiding alien - ET
quote:This pretty much happens in every TV and movie. Fights that result in folks getting knocked out cold. Nothing but heavyweight fighters being casted I guess.quote:
Someone had mentioned it earlier but I really thought they tried to give a nod to Indiana Jones with Hopper towards the end. The low voice, hat and some of his entrances into doorways reminded me of Spielberg shots from IJ.
I thought that too and also his one punch knock outs in the govt building.
quote:I had a number of problems as they were moving through the story. First and foremost, everyone seemed to be fixated on Will and no one except Nancy gave two ****s about Barb, and even she gave up on Barb about halfway through it seemed. I understand she wasn't the "focus" of the story, but her fate seemed cruel, like she was placed there just to show what the "bad result" would be. Which is fine, except, like even the police and the sheriff stopped investigating her and only put their resources into Will.quote:
I enjoyed it for what it was. Not my favorite thing Netflix has done by a long shot. Great mood and style, not so great story and ending.
Como?
quote:Ok, lost then.
Ells not dead bro... Waffles.
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I enjoyed it for what it was. Not my favorite thing Netflix has done by a long shot. Great mood and style, not so great story and ending.
Como?
quote:Only Hopper is aware of the Demogorgan. Barb's car was left at Steve's house, but was relocated to a bus/train station by the government agency prior to the police finding it. They chalked it up to her running away, so the town and the police have no reason to look for her. Barb is seen by Hopper and Joyce in the "Upside Down", so there's no need to keep searching and they can't tell her parents about it, because they'll think they're crazy. Let them think she's a runaway and leave it at that. Nancy shows regret over her death during the hospital scene, and she holds out hope for Barb until the last episode. Her story is resolved, but the central narrative is the monster/research institution. They're not going to follow the rest of the police force tracking down leads for a runaway that the viewer already knows is not a runaway.
I had a number of problems as they were moving through the story. First and foremost, everyone seemed to be fixated on Will and no one except Nancy gave two ****s about Barb, and even she gave up on Barb about halfway through it seemed. I understand she wasn't the "focus" of the story, but her fate seemed cruel, like she was placed there just to show what the "bad result" would be. Which is fine, except, like even the police and the sheriff stopped investigating her and only put their resources into Will.
quote:Mike was mostly doing his running around during the day after or during school The during school day its chalked up to his friend being missing and ultimately found dead, which answers the other half of "why did the curfew rules change?" Because Will is found dead due to an accident, and Barb is a runaway not a homicide investigation; there's suddenly no reason for them to be hyper strict about the curfew.
Also, the behavior of Mike and Nancy's parents was bizarre. Look, I'm a kid of the 80's and I realize parents were a lot more lax about letting their kids go out and do whatever back then, but their rules about curfew and going out were all over the place. In the beginning of the show they all had tight curfew and the mom was really strict about them not going out. But by the end of the show it seemed like the kids could go where ever the hell they wanted whenever they wanted. Also, the parents seemed completely incapable of worrying about both kids at the same time. They were either concerned about Nancy or Mike, but never both at the same time, despite the fact that both were off running around doing their thing. Like the scene where the mom makes blueberry pancakes. They only care that Nancy has run off, even though Mike just did the exact same thing.
quote:The dimension-hopping monster is due to the girl with psychic powers poking around in the dimensional rifts trying to locate Russians to spy on. During her spying activities she comes into contact with the monster, screams and exits the dimensional rift, upon learning of this the head of the research team orders her to make contact with the monster. Upon touching the monster it opens up a dimensional rift between the town and the Upside Down and now you have a psychic girl and a monster raining terror upon the town. It's not a coincidence, it is one thing resulting in the other. Psychic girl comes first, monster follows due to her actions.
Then I was hoping for a little more from the ending, like maybe that Elle had been psychically creating the monster as a projection of her fears or something. It was a stretch for me to believe you just happened to have a kid with psychic powers AND a crazy dimension-hopping monster in the same town for reasons that were totally unrelated. I just wanted something that tied the two together a little more or at least explained their existence. It felt very "Lost" to create these supernatural forces in an otherwise normal town, and never explain how they came to be.
quote:The horror genre's primary aim is to scare you, that is not the case with this show. You have a misunderstanding of what horror is. This would be classified more closely with a thriller and sci-fi genre than horror. Barb dies to give weight to the story, otherwise its a kid that The whole point of the slugs coming out of Will is to set up the potential for a continuation of the series if it received a positive reception. Netflix isn't putting money into a series with the intention of it being a one shot deal, unless its a documentary.
Lastly, I was told by tons of people, "oh this isn't really horror, you'll like it" and that's why I dipped into the show. And I admit it wasn't gory or overly scary. But the thing it had in common with horror, was the crappy ending most characters received. You have Elle and Barb dead, Will is infected with the shadow-plane and coughing up slugs (this part was the worst), even Nancy and Steve got back together. I just would have preferred a more optimistic result I guess.
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Spot on.
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There's a lot there we don't know or understand. Even with 'The Upside Down,' we have a 30-page document that is pretty intricate in terms of what it all means, and where this monster actually came from, and why aren't there more monsters we have all this stuff that we just didn't have time for, or we didn't feel like we needed to get into in season one, because of the main tension of Will. We have that whole other world that we haven't fully explored in this season, and that was very purposeful.
We leave these dangling threads at the end. If people respond to this show and we get to continue this story we had those initial discussions of where we might go with it. If there was going to be a season two, we would reveal more of that 30-page document, but we'd still want to keep it from the point of view of our original characters
quote:Mike breaks curfew... twice? And his parents were unaware of the first incident when El was found and the second incident is when El kills the monster. Nancy supposedly does it three times (including monster death), but she's at least 16 and the second time is debatable as Barbara's disappearance is explained to the non-main characters as a runaway and Will's death was determined to be an accident potentially removing the stricter curfew. They may be inattentive, but they're not inconsistent in their dolling out of punishment/reprimands. They can only reprimand what they're aware of.
I'm just telling you the vibe I got through the whole series is no one gives a crap this other girl went missing, and Mike and Nancy's mom and dad are terrible parents. You can set up the logic behind why that might be the case, but those things bugged the hell out of me.
If you are choking up slugs, I see it as a lot less sci-Fi and a lot more horror. Alien is sci-Fi but it's also horror, because aliens come popping out out of chests. I'm just saying this show wasn't for me, and I was given bad advice. No one was coughing up slugs at the end of ET or Goonies.
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also thought Barb kinda got the shaft. While watching we were joking about 'where was her school assembly?"
quote:Wow, you must have had a sheltered childhood. When I was the age of the characters in the show, we always took off on our bikes to go to the park, friends, etc. And we always stayed over at each others' houses.
I'm just telling you the vibe I got through the whole series is no one gives a crap this other girl went missing, and Mike and Nancy's mom and dad are terrible parents. You can set up the logic behind why that might be the case, but those things bugged the hell out of me.
If you are choking up slugs, I see it as a lot less sci-Fi and a lot more horror. Alien is sci-Fi but it's also horror, because aliens come popping out out of chests. I'm just saying this show wasn't for me, and I was given bad advice. No one was coughing up slugs at the end of ET or Goonies.
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Then I was hoping for a little more from the ending, like maybe that Elle had been psychically creating the monster as a projection of her fears or something. It was a stretch for me to believe you just happened to have a kid with psychic powers AND a crazy dimension-hopping monster in the same town for reasons that were totally unrelated. I just wanted something that tied the two together a little more or at least explained their existence. It felt very "Lost" to create these supernatural forces in an otherwise normal town, and never explain how they came to be.
SHE OPENED THE ****ING PORTAL THAT LET THE MONSTER INTO OUR DIMENSION. HOW MUCH MORE CONNECTION DO YOU NEED.
Lastly, I was told by tons of people, "oh this isn't really horror, you'll like it" and that's why I dipped into the show. And I admit it wasn't gory or overly scary. But the thing it had in common with horror, was the crappy ending most characters received. You have Elle and Barb dead, Will is infected with the shadow-plane and coughing up slugs (this part was the worst), even Nancy and Steve got back together. I just would have preferred a more optimistic result I guess.
REAL WORLD IS NOT ALAWAYS GRINS, AND MOST MOVIES HAVE CONTRIVED HAPPY ENDINGS.
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You guys are a little rough. I absolutely LOVED the show and have recommended it to everyone and also thought Barb kinda got the shaft. While watching we were joking about 'where was her school assembly?'
It just didn't fit into 8 shows and don't think it ditracted from my enjoyment.
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I enjoyed it for what it was. Not my favorite thing Netflix has done by a long shot. Great mood and style, not so great story and ending.
Como?quote:Only Hopper is aware of the Demogorgan. Barb's car was left at Steve's house, but was relocated to a bus/train station by the government agency prior to the police finding it. They chalked it up to her running away, so the town and the police have no reason to look for her. Barb is seen by Hopper and Joyce in the "Upside Down", so there's no need to keep searching and they can't tell her parents about it, because they'll think they're crazy. Let them think she's a runaway and leave it at that. Nancy shows regret over her death during the hospital scene, and she holds out hope for Barb until the last episode. Her story is resolved, but the central narrative is the monster/research institution. They're not going to follow the rest of the police force tracking down leads for a runaway that the viewer already knows is not a runaway.
I had a number of problems as they were moving through the story. First and foremost, everyone seemed to be fixated on Will and no one except Nancy gave two ****s about Barb, and even she gave up on Barb about halfway through it seemed. I understand she wasn't the "focus" of the story, but her fate seemed cruel, like she was placed there just to show what the "bad result" would be. Which is fine, except, like even the police and the sheriff stopped investigating her and only put their resources into Will.quote:Mike was mostly doing his running around during the day after or during school The during school day its chalked up to his friend being missing and ultimately found dead, which answers the other half of "why did the curfew rules change?" Because Will is found dead due to an accident, and Barb is a runaway not a homicide investigation; there's suddenly no reason for them to be hyper strict about the curfew.
Also, the behavior of Mike and Nancy's parents was bizarre. Look, I'm a kid of the 80's and I realize parents were a lot more lax about letting their kids go out and do whatever back then, but their rules about curfew and going out were all over the place. In the beginning of the show they all had tight curfew and the mom was really strict about them not going out. But by the end of the show it seemed like the kids could go where ever the hell they wanted whenever they wanted. Also, the parents seemed completely incapable of worrying about both kids at the same time. They were either concerned about Nancy or Mike, but never both at the same time, despite the fact that both were off running around doing their thing. Like the scene where the mom makes blueberry pancakes. They only care that Nancy has run off, even though Mike just did the exact same thing.quote:The dimension-hopping monster is due to the girl with psychic powers poking around in the dimensional rifts trying to locate Russians to spy on. During her spying activities she comes into contact with the monster, screams and exits the dimensional rift, upon learning of this the head of the research team orders her to make contact with the monster. Upon touching the monster it opens up a dimensional rift between the town and the Upside Down and now you have a psychic girl and a monster raining terror upon the town. It's not a coincidence, it is one thing resulting in the other. Psychic girl comes first, monster follows due to her actions.
Then I was hoping for a little more from the ending, like maybe that Elle had been psychically creating the monster as a projection of her fears or something. It was a stretch for me to believe you just happened to have a kid with psychic powers AND a crazy dimension-hopping monster in the same town for reasons that were totally unrelated. I just wanted something that tied the two together a little more or at least explained their existence. It felt very "Lost" to create these supernatural forces in an otherwise normal town, and never explain how they came to be.quote:The horror genre's primary aim is to scare you, that is not the case with this show. You have a misunderstanding of what horror is. This would be classified more closely with a thriller and sci-fi genre than horror. Barb dies to give weight to the story, otherwise its a kid that The whole point of the slugs coming out of Will is to set up the potential for a continuation of the series if it received a positive reception. Netflix isn't putting money into a series with the intention of it being a one shot deal, unless its a documentary.
Lastly, I was told by tons of people, "oh this isn't really horror, you'll like it" and that's why I dipped into the show. And I admit it wasn't gory or overly scary. But the thing it had in common with horror, was the crappy ending most characters received. You have Elle and Barb dead, Will is infected with the shadow-plane and coughing up slugs (this part was the worst), even Nancy and Steve got back together. I just would have preferred a more optimistic result I guess.
Most of the issues you listed were explained through the narrative.