I commend you for your efforts. I learned long ago that I'd rather bang my head against a brick wall than debate the political groupthink on TexAgs. Probably wouldn't lose as many brain cells that way too.
Rapinoe is a disgrace.
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I commend you for your efforts. I learned long ago that I'd rather bang my head against a brick wall than debate the political groupthink on TexAgs. Probably wouldn't lose as many brain cells that way too.
quote:I love self serving posts like these...oh you are such a bad ass going against us dumb yokels here on texags.
I commend you for your efforts. I learned long ago that I'd rather bang my head against a brick wall than debate the political groupthink on TexAgs. Probably wouldn't lose as many brain cells that way too.
give me a break.
quote:Blacks have more to fear from other blacks than police funny how you don't post those stats?
Absolutely ****ing not, PatAg, especially after that post.
Mr. White, I'm not here to convince you of that, just pointing out folks sure do love to cower behind, well, bull**** to avoid having the tough conversation. But if you want to know, this WaPo article is probably the best, most succinct summary of the situation, and where I start.
Some important bits from the article:
Black Americans are 2.5 times more likely to be shot and killed by the police than are white Americans.
Unarmed blacks are 5 times more likely to be shot and killed by the police than are whites.
Since 2015, 13% of black people who are killed were unarmed. 7% of whites that were killed were unarmed.
Want to explain it away by saying blacks are just more violent?quote:
A 2015 study by a University of California at Davis researcher concluded there was "no relationship" between crime rates by race and racial bias in police killings. A report released last week by the Center for Policing Equity, which reviewed arrest and use-of-force data from 12 police departments, concluded that black residents were more often targeted for use of police force than white residents, even when adjusting for whether the person was a violent criminal.
Now continue to cower.
Rapione and CK are making this all about them lying about an issue that is not a problem.
quote:i dont think he was implying anyone was dumb, but group think on texags is totally a thing.
going against us dumb yokels here on texags.
quote:quote:i dont think he was implying anyone was dumb, but group think on texags is totally a thing.
going against us dumb yokels here on texags.
There is clearly an issue with police brutality in America.
There are clearly issues with racism in America.
But to protest the national anthem and then still suit up and play for the USA and receive a check from the team is hypocritical and self-serving.
EOT
There are clearly issues with racism in America.
But to protest the national anthem and then still suit up and play for the USA and receive a check from the team is hypocritical and self-serving.
EOT
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There is clearly an issue with police brutality in America.
There are clearly issues with racism in America.
But to protest the national anthem and then still suit up and play for the USA and receive a check from the team is hypocritical and self-serving.
EOT
Pretty much this. Well-said.
If I'm ever asked to violate my convictions by my employer, I'm quitting my job and making sure people understand why. I'm not continuing to accept their money and only doing part of my job.
In today's society, you have to very careful how you control your message - especially if it challenges social norms. So while I agree that our society has problems with racism and police brutality, when you argue that issue using tent pole occurrences that have been proven to be poor examples, people stop paying attention to you or worse, turn against you and your otherwise noble cause. As much as we like to laugh and joke about the public being generally stupid, they will see through false narratives if they are used to push an agenda. That's where I see the BLM movement in America today - a generally true issue that's been propped up by disproven or false instances. If more attention was focused on numbers and figures (like in the WaPo article) and events that actually illustrate the problems our nation is facing instead of fabricating the facts and events to boost support, maybe we could move from raising awareness to actually addressing the problems.
Which brings me to my society rant - we as a people are so lazy. We love, love, love awareness campaigns. They generate dollars and attract huge support. We'll wear colored bracelets, change our social media avatars and use hashtags all day, every day. But how about some follow up? I want to hear news stories about the money Kaep donated being used. I want to know that McCarthy and the Packers donating money to improve police-community relationships. I want to hear about the neighborhood leaders and police officers working together to make their towns and cities safe. But instead we get interview after interview focused on how outraged both sides are. The NWSL owner moves the Anthem do Rapinoe can't protest, so she calls him a homophobe. It's circular arguing that only sows more discord and never addresses an actual issue.
Taking a stand Does take courage, but actually addressing an issue takes courage and hard work.
quote:I invite you to read the article to which I linked to where you can read about black on black violence. It will tell you 90% of murdered black people were murdered by another black person. It is there. I do not hide from it.
Blacks have more to fear from other blacks than police funny how you don't post those stats?
Rapione and CK are making this all about them lying about an issue that is not a problem.
I invite you to read my post about problems within black communities. It is there. I do not hide from it.
That does not mean Rapinoe and Kaepernick are lying about an issue that is not a problem.
You are more likely to choke on your cereal in the morning than you are to be scratched by an Islamist terrorist. Are you prepared to say those who say Islamist terrorists are a problem for the United States are lying?
The world has many problems, not just one "biggest" problem.
quote:So they are bringing awareness to something statistically that won't happen? color me unimpressed.quote:I invite you to read the article to which I linked to where you can read about black on black violence. It will tell you 90% of murdered black people were murdered by another black person. It is there. I do not hide from it.
Blacks have more to fear from other blacks than police funny how you don't post those stats?
Rapione and CK are making this all about them lying about an issue that is not a problem.
I invite you to read my post about problems within black communities. It is there. I do not hide from it.
That does not mean Rapinoe and Kaepernick are lying about an issue that is not a problem.
You are more likely to choke on your cereal in the morning than you are to be scratched by an Islamist terrorist. Are you prepared to say those who say Islamist terrorists are a problem for the United States are lying?
The world has many problems, not just one "biggest" problem.
quote:Funny I see black people who go to school don't break the law and work hard succeed just like white people funny concept I knowquote:
There is clearly an issue with police brutality in America.
There are clearly issues with racism in America.
But to protest the national anthem and then still suit up and play for the USA and receive a check from the team is hypocritical and self-serving.
EOT
Pretty much this. Well-said.
If I'm ever asked to violate my convictions by my employer, I'm quitting my job and making sure people understand why. I'm not continuing to accept their money and only doing part of my job.
In today's society, you have to very careful how you control your message - especially if it challenges social norms. So while I agree that our society has problems with racism and police brutality, when you argue that issue using tent pole occurrences that have been proven to be poor examples, people stop paying attention to you or worse, turn against you and your otherwise noble cause. As much as we like to laugh and joke about the public being generally stupid, they will see through false narratives if they are used to push an agenda. That's where I see the BLM movement in America today - a generally true issue that's been propped up by disproven or false instances. If more attention was focused on numbers and figures (like in the WaPo article) and events that actually illustrate the problems our nation is facing instead of fabricating the facts and events to boost support, maybe we could move from raising awareness to actually addressing the problems.
Which brings me to my society rant - we as a people are so lazy. We love, love, love awareness campaigns. They generate dollars and attract huge support. We'll wear colored bracelets, change our social media avatars and use hashtags all day, every day. But how about some follow up? I want to hear news stories about the money Kaep donated being used. I want to know that McCarthy and the Packers donating money to improve police-community relationships. I want to hear about the neighborhood leaders and police officers working together to make their towns and cities safe. But instead we get interview after interview focused on how outraged both sides are. The NWSL owner moves the Anthem do Rapinoe can't protest, so she calls him a homophobe. It's circular arguing that only sows more discord and never addresses an actual issue.
Taking a stand Does take courage, but actually addressing an issue takes courage and hard work.
Anecdotal, I know, but I attended two funerals for kids in the last five years who would fit the "work hard, keep your nose clean" label. Unfortunately, there are outside forces at work in their lives too. Parents who don't give a **** about them or their future, gangs who control their apartment complexes, lack of access to basic necessities I took for granted when I was their age, etc.
quote:Bad parenting is not just a black issue.
Anecdotal, I know, but I attended two funerals for kids in the last five years who would fit the "work hard, keep your nose clean" label. Unfortunately, there are outside forces at work in their lives too. Parents who don't give a **** about them or their future, gangs who control their apartment complexes, lack of access to basic necessities I took for granted when I was their age, etc.
Edit - nevermind.
I forgot who I'm arguing with.
I forgot who I'm arguing with.
quote:And it takes about 5 seconds to use the search function and see you've called for a "crusade against Islam."
So they are bringing awareness to something statistically that won't happen? color me unimpressed.
We all have our statistically unlikely problem that we take up the banner for. That's fine. But trying to pick and choose which statistically unlikely problem exists and doesn't exist? No, not so fast.
And I would say the same thing if Kaepernick or Rapinoe rejected that black communities have things they need to work on. I'm not sure I've heard them say that, though.
Either way, it doesn't change whether the problem they're talking about exists or doesn't exist. I'm not going to tell you Islamic terrorism isn't a problem just because you don't think police brutality is a problem.
We've all been subjected to numerous outside factors that have had a positive and negative effect on our well-being and how hard we had to work for something, whether we all recognize that or not.
Good day, take care.
Good day, take care.
Go do something in the real world...or just go to the politics board
quote:what does that mean?..am I wrong....
Edit - nevermind.
I forgot who I'm arguing with.
some people just love to blame others for their terrible lot in life I guess.
They interviewed Carli Lloyd before the match. She flat out said this is a distraction and she wasnt happy about it.
I don't think she's a disgrace, but I do believe you don't do **** like this and draw attention away from the team.
Again for,them it's work, how many of you could have a public political display like this and not lose your job
Again for,them it's work, how many of you could have a public political display like this and not lose your job
I wonder how Heather O'Reilly felt. Her send-off match was all about someone else.
I didn't see the match but from the write up she went to a knee as the anthem was played and she was allowed to play as well. She was also booed.
I wouldn't piss on her if she was burning. Just sayin'.
quote:I disagree with your first two points. There are isolated incidents but it's not an epidemic as it's being made out to be.
There is clearly an issue with police brutality in America.
There are clearly issues with racism in America.
But to protest the national anthem and then still suit up and play for the USA and receive a check from the team is hypocritical and self-serving.
EOT
I wholeheartedly agree with your last point. Plus, diverting attention away from O'Reiley's last game is just selfish.
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I'd let her make a spectacle. If she wants to kneel, let her.
Then I'd bring on a sub for her in the first minute and send Rapinoe to the locker room. That long lonely walk back to the locker room would sour anybody from acting like a jackass. Fans would boo and throw garbage at her all the way.
Then I'd bring on a sub for her in the first minute and send Rapinoe to the locker room. That long lonely walk back to the locker room would sour anybody from acting like a jackass. Fans would boo and throw garbage at her all the way.
quote:Do you think terrorism is an epidemic?
I disagree with your first two points. There are isolated incidents but it's not an epidemic as it's being made out to be.
Regardless, I just dont get why it is such a big deal not to stand during a song? If you do, great. If you dont, doesnt bother me at all.The people getting upset about it are just feeding the fire. If you dont like it, dont acknowledge it. Otherwise, she's getting exactly what she wants.
quote:Didn't realize some athlete was not standing for the national anthem to protest terrorism.quote:Do you think terrorism is an epidemic?
I disagree with your first two points. There are isolated incidents but it's not an epidemic as it's being made out to be.
quote:She isn't good enough to start anyways
I'd let her make a spectacle. If she wants to kneel, let her.
Then I'd bring on a sub for her in the first minute and send Rapinoe to the locker room. That long lonely walk back to the locker room would sour anybody from acting like a jackass. Fans would boo and throw garbage at her all the way.
quote:Poor tastes as a professional athlete but as member of US National Team then it is beyond poor taste. Discussing on Texags.com isn't feeding any fire to the issue.
Regardless, I just dont get why it is such a big deal not to stand during a song? If you do, great. If you dont, doesnt bother me at all.The people getting upset about it are just feeding the fire. If you dont like it, dont acknowledge it. Otherwise, she's getting exactly what she wants.
quote:what would have been great is for the ref to come over to her after the anthem and show her the RED.
I'd let her make a spectacle. If she wants to kneel, let her.
Then I'd bring on a sub for her in the first minute and send Rapinoe to the locker room. That long lonely walk back to the locker room would sour anybody from acting like a jackass. Fans would boo and throw garbage at her all the way.
quote:Who is protesting what and where has nothing to do with whether one or the other is an epidemic or not, or in the original phrasing, an "issue."quote:Didn't realize some athlete was not standing for the national anthem to protest terrorism.quote:Do you think terrorism is an epidemic?
I disagree with your first two points. There are isolated incidents but it's not an epidemic as it's being made out to be.
quote:From data WaPo's collected:quote:Who is protesting what and where has nothing to do with whether one or the other is an epidemic or not, or in the original phrasing, an "issue."quote:Didn't realize some athlete was not standing for the national anthem to protest terrorism.quote:Do you think terrorism is an epidemic?
I disagree with your first two points. There are isolated incidents but it's not an epidemic as it's being made out to be.
quote:Why aren't Kapernik and Rapinoe protesting blacks killing police at a higher rate than police killing blacks?
For starters, fatal police shootings make up a much larger proportion of white and Hispanic homicide deaths than black homicide deaths. According to the Post database, in 2015 officers killed 662 whites and Hispanics, and 258 blacks. (The overwhelming majority of all those police-shooting victims were attacking the officer, often with a gun.) Using the 2014 homicide numbers as an approximation of 2015's, those 662 white and Hispanic victims of police shootings would make up 12% of all white and Hispanic homicide deaths. That is three times the proportion of black deaths that result from police shootings.
quote:WSJ Article
Police officersof all racesare also disproportionately endangered by black assailants. Over the past decade, according to FBI data, 40% of cop killers have been black. Officers are killed by blacks at a rate 2.5 times higher than the rate at which blacks are killed by police.
As I said earlier, there is no "issue" to protest because most of the highly publicized police brutality has turned out to be not police brutality at all. As many have said, we're not saying it doesn't happen but not what they're making it out to be.
Rapinoe was tweeting about the kid killed in Columbus, OH as an example of police brutality. The kid pointed this at the officers at night:
Why are you avoiding the question about terrorism?
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As I said earlier, there is no "issue" to protest because most of the highly publicized police brutality has turned out to be not police brutality at all. As many have said, we're not saying it doesn't happen but not what they're making it out to be.
That's not what that means, even if its true most "brutality" wasn't brutality. And I don't really care about Rapinoe's particular thoughts about that particular shooting in Ohio.
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I believe the "increased threat" of blacks was addressed somewhat above. There has shown to be weak correlation at best in between violence by blacks and violence by police. If there is a correlation, it comes from police casting the trends of other communities unto their own---which I think almost by definition is stereotyping by police.
I don't know how I can make it any clearer that I believe black communities have work of their own to do. They have problems they need to address.
That does not mean police don't have their own work to do. Here's an all-around thought worth considering, and it applies to how the police interact with everyone, no matter their skin color. Are police effectively doing what they can to deescalate and/or avoid killing folks? Did police do everything they could to avoid shooting dead that 13-year old?
Maybe in this particular case, they did. I don't know. But I think we've seen too many examples of police departments making huge strides to deescalate situations to claim they always, everywhere, do everything reasonably in their power to avoid taking that fatal shot.
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