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quote:quote:I want to buy you a beer if you're in College Station Labor Day weekend.quote:quote:
You mean if senior QB's looks better than underclassmen QB's, the coach is terrible?
You mean the same Kenny Hill who has barely played a snap since he transferred. Yes if you have talented QBs and can't keep and develop them you are doing something very wrong. Even Mike and Mike took a crack at A&M this morning how every transfer QB seems to be from A&M.
Oh you are right. So by that logic, if Trevor Knight plays well this year, Bob Stoops must be a ****ty coach. Jimbo Fisher must be a ****ty coach, because Coker went to Bama and won a Championship! Urban Meyer must also suck, since Cam Newton ended up at Auburn.
People transfer for a myriad of reasons. And guess what, most of them are better QB's their senior years than their freshman. Blaming the coach for a freshman QB playing like a freshman Qb is idiotic. But please, continue on with you agenda.
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If Allen and Hill go on to be successful it just makes Sumlin look terrible.
You know how I know you aren't being paid to think.
The insults used against anyone that has a negative thing to say about Sumlin are laughable and almost always boil down to different versions of ad hominem.
Carry on. You're entertaining.
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Kenny
quote:to be fair, these two coaches made being "anti" coach cool, popular and justified. Ten years of that mentality is like stockholm syndrome for any coach thereafter.quote:quote:quote:
If Allen and Hill go on to be successful it just makes Sumlin look terrible.
You know how I know you aren't being paid to think.
The insults used against anyone that has a negative thing to say about Sumlin are laughable and almost always boil down to different versions of ad hominem.
Carry on. You're entertaining.
Oh please. There is no litany posts from me goal tending for Sumlin. The anti-Sumlins remind me of the irrational anti-Slocums, anti-Frans, and anti-Shermans. Even when something good happened, they always feel compelled to run to the zoo and remind everyone about how bad it "really is". You know, because they are the self-appointed "realists" that police the board and keep the maroon kool aid consumption at a healthy level.
Sumlin shares a great deal of the responsibility for the number of highly recruited QBs that have transferred. What they do in their time after A&M changes none of that. It was an ignorant comment. It deserved to be ridiculed along with whomever posted it.
quote:quote:Kenny's problem was not living in JFF's shadow but attempting to follow in his footsteps. Unfortunately, he got burned up by the Fireball.
Kenny had a hard time living in JFF's shadow. Which would be hard for any young QB.
quote:Then how does Manziel winning a Heisman and then flunking out of the NFL look on Sumlin?
If Allen and Hill go on to be successful it just makes Sumlin look terrible.
quote:quote:one was a drunk here, one was a ***** who didn't want to compete, one was a scrawny primma donna who thought he was way better than he actually was. So, no.
You guys really don't think the head coach is somewhat at fault when 3 highly recruited QBs transfer in a span of 2 years. If it is proven that those QBs are really successful and it says a lot. Trevor Knight transferring as a graduate senior in totally different than 2 fish and a sophomore transferring. Knight lost his job and would never have started at OU again.
quote:Lol. Elite football players get to do what they want. If you want proof of this, look no further than Emmitt Smith under Jimmy Johnson.quote:quote:one was a drunk here, one was a ***** who didn't want to compete, one was a scrawny primma donna who thought he was way better than he actually was. So, no.
You guys really don't think the head coach is somewhat at fault when 3 highly recruited QBs transfer in a span of 2 years. If it is proven that those QBs are really successful and it says a lot. Trevor Knight transferring as a graduate senior in totally different than 2 fish and a sophomore transferring. Knight lost his job and would never have started at OU again.
Do you think JFF only started partying after he left A&M? Sumlin tolerated JFF's behavior, and the "drunk" witnessed it. Sumlin most certainly had a role in Hill's troubles at A&M, and as head coach he should be accountable for everything since he has the authority to establish and enforce standards for the football program, and its players. Fans who espouse the Army traditions at A&M are hypocrites if they excuse Sumlin. Commanders are always accountable for the conduct of their subordinates.
quote:quote:quote:one was a drunk here, one was a ***** who didn't want to compete, one was a scrawny primma donna who thought he was way better than he actually was. So, no.
You guys really don't think the head coach is somewhat at fault when 3 highly recruited QBs transfer in a span of 2 years. If it is proven that those QBs are really successful and it says a lot. Trevor Knight transferring as a graduate senior in totally different than 2 fish and a sophomore transferring. Knight lost his job and would never have started at OU again.
Do you think JFF only started partying after he left A&M? Sumlin tolerated JFF's behavior, and the "drunk" witnessed it. Sumlin most certainly had a role in Hill's troubles at A&M, and as head coach he should be accountable for everything since he has the authority to establish and enforce standards for the football program, and its players. Fans who espouse the Army traditions at A&M are hypocrites if they excuse Sumlin. Commanders are always accountable for the conduct of their subordinates.
quote:Exactly. These guys played too early!
You mean if senior QB's looks better than underclassmen QB's, the coach is terrible?
quote:No player should ever see the field doing what Johnny did in 2013. The consequence was Johnny's health and future seasons. If he had been suspended, he likely would have been healthy and back at A&M in 2014. This is why his parents wanted him to come back and I'm fairly certain it's why Paul Manziel was so mad at A&M/Sumlin. For all the sh** people give him, he was angry that his kid was not disciplined for his actions.quote:This. And Manziel was allowed to get away with all he did because he produced on the field. Classic case of unintended consequences, which the program has paid for since then. Hopefully that's over now.quote:Kenny's problem was not living in JFF's shadow but attempting to follow in his footsteps. Unfortunately, he got burned up by the Fireball.
Kenny had a hard time living in JFF's shadow. Which would be hard for any young QB.
quote:Left A&M? I'm not confident Johnny left some of the pre-game meetings sober. Pretty sure we can all agree that would be on Sumlin.quote:Do you think JFF only started partying after he left A&M? Sumlin tolerated JFF's behavior, and the "drunk" witnessed it. Sumlin most certainly had a role in Hill's troubles at A&M, and as head coach he should be accountable for everything since he has the authority to establish and enforce standards for the football program, and its players. Fans who espouse the Army traditions at A&M are hypocrites if they excuse Sumlin. Commanders are always accountable for the conduct of their subordinates.quote:one was a drunk here, one was a ***** who didn't want to compete, one was a scrawny primma donna who thought he was way better than he actually was. So, no.
You guys really don't think the head coach is somewhat at fault when 3 highly recruited QBs transfer in a span of 2 years. If it is proven that those QBs are really successful and it says a lot. Trevor Knight transferring as a graduate senior in totally different than 2 fish and a sophomore transferring. Knight lost his job and would never have started at OU again.
quote:There is zero chance he was coming back in 2014, no matter what the situation was. He and his family wanted out as bad as possible. That's just a straight up fact. Paul trashed A&M in the Wright Thompson article and in private many times, blaming them for Johnny's situation in a lot of ways. They weren't interested in coming back.quote:No player should ever see the field doing what Johnny did in 2013. The consequence was Johnny's health and future seasons. If he had been suspended, he likely would have been healthy and back at A&M in 2014. This is why his parents wanted him to come back and I'm fairly certain it's why Paul Manziel was so mad at A&M/Sumlin. For all the sh** people give him, he was angry that his kid was not disciplined for his actions.quote:This. And Manziel was allowed to get away with all he did because he produced on the field. Classic case of unintended consequences, which the program has paid for since then. Hopefully that's over now.quote:Kenny's problem was not living in JFF's shadow but attempting to follow in his footsteps. Unfortunately, he got burned up by the Fireball.
Kenny had a hard time living in JFF's shadow. Which would be hard for any young QB.
I know people were incensed by Meacham's comments. I wish Kenny would just tell the story. Maybe if he has success this season, he will have a big enough audience to do so.