It's cute that Houston and their mafia boss think the sips will let them sit at the "big boy" table.

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Hurts our recruiting.


Am I the only one that thinks all this longhorn support for UH is "don't blame us when you don't get in" placating?

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Either this ^ .... Or they want more YES men in the conference... Or they are setting the conference up with enough teams to make their exit.

Don't care if HOU gets in the BDF.

tu won't allow it. Easier pickings in Memphis, Cincinnati and Connecticut with no challenge to Texas recruiting.

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i don't see where it hurts A&M. What I find strange is why tu wants to elevate UH and put them on their level? Makes no sense. UH could keep a few recruits in Houston that tu may want. Then tu would have to play against them in conference. UH in the big12 will definitely hurt Baylor and techs recruiting. Why travel, when you can play the same teams staying at home in Houston.

If tu does find a spot to land then the big12 can and will have to add rice and SMU and effectively get the old SWC gang back together.

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Texas has some irons in the fire from a legislative standpoint and giving UH to the Big Xii a big thumbs up in the press means that the backroom negotiations have reached their conclusion. Texas will publicly support the move up and UH will no longer be focused on killing Texas's plan to open a Houston campus.

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Top recruits want to win...

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Nobody knows what Top recruits really want. If what you said was true, Texas would have never had a losing season or bad class and RC would still be on our sideline.

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tu won't allow it. Easier pickings in Memphis, Cincinnati and Connecticut with no challenge to Texas recruiting.

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The addition of uh to the swc was the beginning of the end for the swc

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Nope ... the demise of the SWC began in 1982 when U. of Georgia and U. of Oklahoma sues and won against the NCAA in court over control of TV rights. That court case began the slow roll to where we are today.

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Well..kinda....
But , in reality , the SWC was doomed by its very demographics. The powers that be at the 40 acres and Arky , led by Frank Broyles and the racist pig St dkr , knew that the 1-1/2 state conference could not survive in the modern era of mass media and the burgeoning TV world. They had a well thought out plan to have Arky trigger the collapse, since there would be no political issues in the 1/2 state , and thus start a process where tu AND TAMU could bolt hopefully without the legislature getting involved. Sadly the plan failed.
UH to the SWC was largely a meaningless too little too late move. Even though they had some excellent programs and brought some incredible talent to the league they , in reality, added nothing. In the midst of the greatest season in Coog history with a Hypesman QB, most exciting offense in modern football history ( up to that point) etc...... they played TCU in front of around 14k " fans".
UH didn't " doom" the SWC , it just added nothing and was a waste of an expansion slot. The SWC had already hit the ice berg.

Has no effect. No one grows up as a Houston Cougars fan. There will be no more or less television ratings. The SEC owns Houston except for those kids that grew up horn fans.

It is kinda funny though that they were left out of the Big XII because they weren't good enough athletically and academically now they are being courted to join the conference. Great job texas!

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Go to UH to play football against Iowa State, West Virginia, TCU, Kansas, Kansas State, ou, and tu

Go to TAMU and play S.Carolina, Tennessee, Miss. State, Ole Miss, Bama, Arky, Auburn, and the corn dogs

I know where I'd want to go play

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Me too! The Big 12. Those SEC boys will hit you.

Makes no sense from Big 12 perspective, but if they do might as well pick up Rice and SMU too. Then can have the old SWC lite (tu, tt, tcu, baylor, uh, rice, smu) in the south division.

Who gives a ****! If kids do not want to come to Texas A&M to play football, we don't want them. I wish we would get back to this mentality.

"Are they putting the band back together?"

Yes. They're on a mission from Gahd.

Allen or South Lake Carroll would add more television sets.

UH is so excited about this now. Let's see how they feel after a few years of having all their games only available on barely audible radio stations while the sips have their games against UTEP nationally broadcast, get hosed on bs calls when playing the NUT, have ESPN shun them with a phone call from Austin, have their schedules put together according to what works best for tu and hear/see every media outlet in Texas mock them in one sentence and praise the bongwh$&$s the next. They might not be nearly as excited about this when the unwritten print kicks in.

Holy moly I just heard on the radio that UH is apparently trying to broker a deal with UT to clear the way to get into the big 12. In turn UH would give up their long standing opposition to UT opening a campus in Houston.

So many observations:

1) UT has ALL the power
2) A UT campus in Houston will inevitable hurt UH's academics because they will have a major in city competitor. That's why they've always been very opposed to this and blocked it at the state legislature.
3) This shows how desperate everyone is to get into the Big 12/a major conference
4) I think this trade could actually work. And I love it. For reasons previously discussed, adding an in state school will hasten the destruction of the big 12

The analogy here is a girl sexing it up with a boy that everyone knows is a terrible person because he said "I love you." Clearly he's going to leave her hanging when the times get rough, but he got what he wanted so he's good. Academically, UH could be screwing themselves for a long long time, for athletic success that may or may not come in the small window that the big 12 is still alive. When the big 12 breaks up (inevitable if they are going to add schools like Tulane), I can't imagine 5 big 12 Texas schools getting major conference invites - there just aren't enough spots. Most likely to be left out - a newly terrible Baylor, and a still terrible in everything (especially academics and fan support) but football and sometimes baseball UH. Of course if the timing works out and UH keeps Herman and he continues to do well, UH could work their way in to the final conference re alignment. But man, giving up h town territory - that is DESPERATE!

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Nope ... the demise of the SWC began in 1982 when U. of Georgia and U. of Oklahoma sues and won against the NCAA in court over control of TV rights. That court case began the slow roll to where we are today.

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Well..kinda....
But , in reality , the SWC was doomed by its very demographics. The powers that be at the 40 acres and Arky , led by Frank Broyles and the racist pig St dkr , knew that the 1-1/2 state conference could not survive in the modern era of mass media and the burgeoning TV world. They had a well thought out plan to have Arky trigger the collapse, since there would be no political issues in the 1/2 state , and thus start a process where tu AND TAMU could bolt hopefully without the legislature getting involved. Sadly the plan failed.
UH to the SWC was largely a meaningless too little too late move. Even though they had some excellent programs and brought some incredible talent to the league they , in reality, added nothing. In the midst of the greatest season in Coog history with a Hypesman QB, most exciting offense in modern football history ( up to that point) etc...... they played TCU in front of around 14k " fans".
UH didn't " doom" the SWC , it just added nothing and was a waste of an expansion slot. The SWC had already hit the ice berg.

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This is kinda accurate. But on the right track. To suggest that UH was responsible for the demise of one of the most storied conferences is nonsense at best. With what power were they able to do this? You can't say UH brought nothing and had little fan and political support, and in the same breath credit them to have enough clout and power to bring down an entire conference. Sounds like a bunch of old timey collegiate folklore. Makes for great rivalry smack talk but it's not reality.

the reason the 'sips are not against cooger high joining up is because they know it is a likely "W" for them every time they play... and it is not an across-the-country expense to their budget...

cooger high has been in the big time before - and botched it

cooger high only averages attendance in the mid 20's - that is not acceptable for big time football..

cooger high is nothing more than a community commuter school in a large city...

cooger high thinks more highly of itself than any other who knows the real truth...

cooger high has enjoyed some success and is riding a wave of misplaced optimism...

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Nope ... the demise of the SWC began in 1982 when U. of Georgia and U. of Oklahoma sues and won against the NCAA in court over control of TV rights. That court case began the slow roll to where we are today.

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Well..kinda....
But , in reality , the SWC was doomed by its very demographics. The powers that be at the 40 acres and Arky , led by Frank Broyles and the racist pig St dkr , knew that the 1-1/2 state conference could not survive in the modern era of mass media and the burgeoning TV world. They had a well thought out plan to have Arky trigger the collapse, since there would be no political issues in the 1/2 state , and thus start a process where tu AND TAMU could bolt hopefully without the legislature getting involved. Sadly the plan failed.
UH to the SWC was largely a meaningless too little too late move. Even though they had some excellent programs and brought some incredible talent to the league they , in reality, added nothing. In the midst of the greatest season in Coog history with a Hypesman QB, most exciting offense in modern football history ( up to that point) etc...... they played TCU in front of around 14k " fans".
UH didn't " doom" the SWC , it just added nothing and was a waste of an expansion slot. The SWC had already hit the ice berg.

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This is kinda accurate. But on the right track. To suggest that UH was responsible for the demise of one of the most storied conferences is nonsense at best. With what power were they able to do this? You can't say UH brought nothing and had little fan and political support, and in the same breath credit them to have enough clout and power to bring down an entire conference. Sounds like a bunch of old timey collegiate folklore. Makes for great rivalry smack talk but it's not reality.

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cooger high's academics were not up to snuff for the rest of the SWC..

cooger high "integrated" much earlier than the SWC teams and thus had an athletic prowess advantage in both football and basketball that impacted the SWC to do the same to compete... once the SWC did the same, cooger high lost it's advantage and was relegated to the also rans...

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the reason the 'sips are not against cooger high joining up is because they know it is a likely "W" for them every time they play... and it is not an across-the-country expense to their budget...

cooger high has been in the big time before - and botched it

cooger high only averages attendance in the mid 20's - that is not acceptable for big time football..

cooger high is nothing more than a community commuter school in a large city...

cooger high thinks more highly of itself than any other who knows the real truth...

cooger high has enjoyed some success and is riding a wave of misplaced optimism...

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Lol
So much doom and gloom. Heaven forbid we elevate another university in the state thereby attracting more talented students, professors, researchers, and grant money. Heaven forbid a state as big as texas have more than one or two good public universities to choose from....

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Nope ... the demise of the SWC began in 1982 when U. of Georgia and U. of Oklahoma sues and won against the NCAA in court over control of TV rights. That court case began the slow roll to where we are today.

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Well..kinda....
But , in reality , the SWC was doomed by its very demographics. The powers that be at the 40 acres and Arky , led by Frank Broyles and the racist pig St dkr , knew that the 1-1/2 state conference could not survive in the modern era of mass media and the burgeoning TV world. They had a well thought out plan to have Arky trigger the collapse, since there would be no political issues in the 1/2 state , and thus start a process where tu AND TAMU could bolt hopefully without the legislature getting involved. Sadly the plan failed.
UH to the SWC was largely a meaningless too little too late move. Even though they had some excellent programs and brought some incredible talent to the league they , in reality, added nothing. In the midst of the greatest season in Coog history with a Hypesman QB, most exciting offense in modern football history ( up to that point) etc...... they played TCU in front of around 14k " fans".
UH didn't " doom" the SWC , it just added nothing and was a waste of an expansion slot. The SWC had already hit the ice berg.

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This is kinda accurate. But on the right track. To suggest that UH was responsible for the demise of one of the most storied conferences is nonsense at best. With what power were they able to do this? You can't say UH brought nothing and had little fan and political support, and in the same breath credit them to have enough clout and power to bring down an entire conference. Sounds like a bunch of old timey collegiate folklore. Makes for great rivalry smack talk but it's not reality.

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cooger high's academics were not up to snuff for the rest of the SWC..

cooger high "integrated" much earlier than the SWC teams and thus had an athletic prowess advantage in both football and basketball that impacted the SWC to do the same to compete... once the SWC did the same, cooger high lost it's advantage and was relegated to the also rans...

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Again, another collegiate myth your grandpa passed down. Read a copy of an old editorial when the UH addition happened below (circa 1964):

https://www.facebook.com/UHSpecColl/photos/a.263518150361217.64571.248525288527170/1132808763432147/

"Its enterance requirements are just as stiff as those of most conference schools..."

UH to Big 12-2-2+2 is good for UH and tu and is the best play for the conference. UH is riding a wave of success that ends when their coach moves to something larger. Being in a better conference will help stall that move so it is good for the coogs. tu gets access to a Houston campus in their system and plays a marginal football team (historically speaking). Travel costs are lower than all other options and tu will have a yes man in the conference room with UH. Win for tu. As for the conference -- there are not a lot of good options. The FL schools mentioned are 2nd tier. None of the programs mentioned minus maybe BYU have the cache of the schools that left. Who would trade Nebraska for Cinn, or Central FL, or UH? They are grasping, but UH makes the most sense of the limited options. It's like picking the pretzels when all of the good chips have been taken, but at least you aren't stuck with off-brand baked chips.

Uh has always been able to compete when given a level playing field. Check both schools records from the 60s to the 90s uh has a better winning percentage than a&m. Uh fell off in the late mid 90s because if scholarship restrictions imposed by NCAA in the late 80s. Uh is not your father's uh. Their freshman sat scores are just behind a&m. They are a residential campus now with over 8k beds on campus, second only to a@m, they are tier 1 research university. I went to uh my kids a&m, I have grown to love both schools. Love the spirit of a&m family, and love the toughness shown by uh to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and compete at the highest level despite not having the state support of a&m and ut. The sleeping giant has been awakened. Gigem and go coogs

Uh...sleeping giant...lol...I think every ****ing team utters that at some point...

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Again, another collegiate myth your grandpa passed down. Read a copy of an old editorial when the UH addition happened below (circa 1964):

https://www.facebook.com/UHSpecColl/photos/a.263518150361217.64571.248525288527170/1132808763432147/

"Its enterance requirements are just as stiff as those of most conference schools..."

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My Grandpa did nothing of the sort... I was at A&M (and a letterman) during those early first years...

Sure, NOW their entrance requirements have to meet the NCAA minimum as well as conference minimum - during those early years cooger high benefited by having student athletes that were admitted prior to the more rigid admittance standards required by the SWC.

cooger high was admitted contingent to their raising their academic standard requirements to meet those of the already member SWC teams...

Bill Yoeman was a really good coach with a trick offense well suited to supremely gifted athletes and saw the advantage of integration long before most. And, since they were ALREADY integrated and in school when accepted into the SWC, those kids (who would not have qualified under the new rules) did very well in both football and basketball for their first few years... As soon as their incoming classes had to meet the much stiffer SWC standards - AND the other SWC schools integrated - the tables were leveled - and ALL had to meet the same minimum entrance standards, As a result cooger high became generally irrelevant and only a bump in the road with few exceptions for teams like t.u. and A&M...

The acrimony between the coogs and Aggies was as great or greater (in my opinion) than t.u, tech or baylor fans ever were. Playing them in Houston was a nightmare of overt rude insults and fights at both the earlier fish and later varsity games. The games between A&M and the coogs were even cancelled for several years because of the fights after a year when several students were hospitalized.

Fortunately, A&M is not a player in the coogs attempt to reenter a better conference. t.u. wants them because it is a sure win for them and to break into the Houston recruiting base.

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Uh has always been able to compete when given a level playing field. Check both schools records from the 60s to the 90s uh has a better winning percentage than a&m. Uh fell off in the late mid 90s because if scholarship restrictions imposed by NCAA in the late 80s. Uh is not your father's uh. Their freshman sat scores are just behind a&m. They are a residential campus now with over 8k beds on campus, second only to a@m, they are tier 1 research university. I went to uh my kids a&m, I have grown to love both schools. Love the spirit of a&m family, and love the toughness shown by uh to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and compete at the highest level despite not having the state support of a&m and ut. The sleeping giant has been awakened. Gigem and go coogs

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But yet, if they were added to the Big 12, their stadium would become the smallest in the Big 12 and the third smallest in Power 5. And they don't even fill up their 40,000 seat stadium...Who cares how many beds they have on campus or if they are tier 1 research? None of that produces revenue for the conference.

If UH is the fourth team in a four team expansion maybe the other three teams make the expansion a good Idea for the BDF BYU would be a great addition, Memphis and Cincy would be a good two fer addition. The florida schools UCF USF are bad additions and Tulane would be a terrible addition. The BDF is talking expansion and talking about UH because it puts pressure on better programs to accept an invite or be left out.

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Again, another collegiate myth your grandpa passed down. Read a copy of an old editorial when the UH addition happened below (circa 1964):

https://www.facebook.com/UHSpecColl/photos/a.263518150361217.64571.248525288527170/1132808763432147/

"Its enterance requirements are just as stiff as those of most conference schools..."

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My Grandpa did nothing of the sort... I was at A&M (and a letterman) during those early first years...

Sure, NOW their entrance requirements have to meet the NCAA minimum as well as conference minimum - during those early years cooger high benefited by having student athletes that were admitted prior to the more rigid admittance standards required by the SWC.

cooger high was admitted contingent to their raising their academic standard requirements to meet those of the already member SWC teams...

Bill Yoeman was a really good coach with a trick offense well suited to supremely gifted athletes and saw the advantage of integration long before most. And, since they were ALREADY integrated and in school when accepted into the SWC, those kids (who would not have qualified under the new rules) did very well in both football and basketball for their first few years... As soon as their incoming classes had to meet the much stiffer SWC standards - AND the other SWC schools integrated - the tables were leveled - and ALL had to meet the same minimum entrance standards, As a result cooger high became generally irrelevant and only a bump in the road with few exceptions for teams like t.u. and A&M...

The acrimony between the coogs and Aggies was as great or greater (in my opinion) than t.u, tech or baylor fans ever were. Playing them in Houston was a nightmare of overt rude insults and fights at both the earlier fish and later varsity games. The games between A&M and the coogs were even cancelled for several years because of the fights after a year when several students were hospitalized.

Fortunately, A&M is not a player in the coogs attempt to reenter a better conference. t.u. wants them because it is a sure win for them and to break into the Houston recruiting base.

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Did you even read the link? It said that Houston's standards were stiff even BEFORE they entered the SWC. This article was written in 1964.

I grant you that Houston's presence in the SWC ruffled the feathers of the good old boys, but to paint them as renegades who muddied the sanctity of the conference (yeah right) ignores the facts (the SWC as a whole was notoriously corrupt) and comes off as a bit bitter (for whatever reason you were made to believe).

Having said all that, and back to point, UH wasn't the cause of the demise of the SWC.

With the way that strong Baylor and TCU teams have been able to go head to head with us for recruits in recent years, I think you've got to admit that promoting UH to P5 status could at least have a bit of an adverse effect on our recruiting, especially since the Houston area is so important to us.

I'd be very surprised if the Big 12 gave them an invite though, for the same reasons.

The only reason I can think that the Big 12 would want UH is because it wants to do a network without t.u. Baylor, TCU, and Tech wont get them much state wide. They might get some interest in DFW and out west, but no one in Houston will want a Big 12 network without t.u. If you add in UH, you might get some interest in the Houston area.

Those of you that think UH to the BDF is a good idea are only thinking short sightedly... If they get added and the BDF collapses, don't you think the SEC will go after OU and/or tu as a potential addition to the new south east "superconference". Status quo with a weak BDF is the best thing we can hope for at least until we become a national destination school like Bama, tOSU or ND instead of having to rely on regional talent to fill a competitive roster.

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I don't care as long as the BigXII stays intact. A limping, dysfunctional BigXII is our best case scenario. If this is just to hasten the demise of the BigXII or add enough teams so tu and ou can bolt, one or both may end up in the SEC. Not likely they would get in the SEC but the instability of it is a little too close for my comfort.

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cooger high "integrated" much earlier than the SWC teams and thus had an athletic prowess advantage in both football and basketball that impacted the SWC to do the same to compete... once the SWC did the same, cooger high lost it's advantage and was relegated to the also rans...

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No it's not - it is absolute fact ..as is the rest of what I wrote. A&M and cooger high did not get along at all!!

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cooger high "integrated" much earlier than the SWC teams and thus had an athletic prowess advantage in both football and basketball that impacted the SWC to do the same to compete... once the SWC did the same, cooger high lost it's advantage and was relegated to the also rans...

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No it's not - it is absolute fact ..as is the rest of what I wrote. A&M and cooger high did not get along at all!!

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I disagree.

Also, which teams did the Aggies get so happily along with? Most of my dad's family are Aggies from the SWC years (Old Army folks). I don't recall them ever talking about how "well behaved" other schools were when they played football. Actually, quite the opposite. You act like UH was the only school Ags had issues with. Please.