Moral/God's law is to illegally carry a firearm into a private business that is offering you clear and legal instruction to not do so?
Bull****.
Bull****.
quote:Sometimes defending your life and the lives of others trumps silly laws.
I think that's a shame. Carrying into private businesses legally posted against carry is challenging their rights and the rights of others more than them prohibiting your carry is challenging yours. You're making a choice to go in there, taking away their choice to deny you entry.
As for carrying in places currently illegal across the board, such as federal buildings, into buildings on campus, 51%, etc I also disagree. You're undermining the current laws on the books, even if you think no one would ever know. Part of having your own freedom is respecting the freedoms of others. As of now, the laws say you cannot carry in these areas yet you are. You may disagree with the elective process, but those laws are representative of the wishes (voting wishes, at least) of the people. You're placing yourself above the law and the freedoms of others.
quote:Who decides when one's life is worth defending? Such arguments are specious. Of course we have a right to defend ourselves. To become falsely indignant for the sake of moral relativism is a fool's game at best.
Who decides what is moral/God's law? Who decides what law is silly?
This is a dangerous argument to use to justify what is essentially what you want to do.
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To become falselyindignant for the sake of moral relativism is a fool's game at best.
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Who decides when one's life is worth defending? Such arguments are specious. Of course we have a right to defend ourselves.
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quote:Well fortunately looks like the law might change soon and you can carry in good faith.
I don't think there's anyone here who denies that, techno. We just have a sense of respect for the law and rights of others, and act with that in mind.
And, again, I don't think the major issue is school shootings. At all. It's walking to class through areas to and from class that are unsafe after dark. I do that, and I don't like it, but I still don't carry. As much as I might feel my right to self defense is being infringed upon, that does not give me righteous directive to infringe on the rights of others.
quote:I'll disagree with you here, Fly.
What people can't seem to "grasp" is that state laws are not "conveniences."
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Not being allowed to legally provide your own protection is indeed an inconvenience.
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A good question to ask is, what's the difference between concealed carry in a movie theatre -vs-
a classroom?
quote:That one will hopefully soon no longer be illegal. Then, folks will legally carry concealed in both classrooms & theaters. There is essentially no difference, no matter how uncomfortable the thought makes you feel.
One is illegal, prohibited by a law enacted and upheld by the representatives of this state in order to respect and protect the rights of the voting majority - a critical aspect on which our society and government are built.
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Techno, read the rest of the damn thread before you get snarky. I support campus carry and it doesn't "make me uncomfortable" at all. I support campus carry, justified it in this thread, have campaigned for it, you name it. I think campus carry is great...when it's legal.
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Techno, read the rest of the damn thread before you get snarky. I support campus carry and it doesn't "make me uncomfortable" at all. I support campus carry, justified it in this thread, have campaigned for it, you name it. I think campus carry is great...when it's legal.
quote:Agreed. Y'all have a done a good job keeping it civil this time.
Appreciate it, glad it seems to be helping/at least clarifying. I usually have no qualms about being a bit combative in arguments on teh internetz, but I take this issue to heart and would rather it stay a civil and educational discussion.