I had a similar experience. Such a f'd up movie yet so bad ass.

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I've actually always thought Fincher could do an amazing Batman film... or maybe something like Daredevil that's a little darker/grittier? No clue if he'd ever even entertain the idea though.

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Wife loved it. I liked it. For whatever reason, the ending didn't sit well with me. I don't know. You can feel it when a scene is about to go to credits, and I found myself not wanting it to end there, but for all the wrong reasons. Hard to explain... just didn't like the way it ultimately played out.

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I honestly think this was Flynn's objective in the book and the movie. I love how much she made me not like the ending (weird, I know).

That movie was ****ed up, but I loved it. I kept trying to think of what I thought was the appropriate ending, but I couldn't decide. So I guess the ending she chose was fine.

Affleck was good. Pike was great. The sister was great. The cops were great. I never thought I'd say I enjoyed Tyler Perry in a role, but even he was good.

Oh and that NPH scene was jaw dropping.

What exactly was the point of her hitting herself with the hammer?

So she could have a convincing back story as to why she was alone renting a cabin in the woods.

Gotcha... Although I would think that would just draw attention to her. In fact I had a problem with her hanging out with the rednecks at all during that time. She was all over the news, plus she's way too smart to let people get close to her, especially at that juncture. I mean watching the Nancy Grace stuff together with the other girl?? Come on... she wouldn't do that.

But still, an awesome movie.

The bruise was probably meant to make her less recognizable. It also gave her an excuse to wear sunglasses, and would make most people unwilling to stare at her too long.

As for hanging around the rednecks, it doesn't make much sense, but the only thing I can think of is her plan had various contingencies based on people's reactions to the story, so she might have wanted to observe people up close. That's a real stretch though.

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Not that I want to be the "should've read the book" guy, but the rednecks had a much larger role in influencing her to not want to kill herself and then to leave the motel area in the novel. They sped through that portion and trimmed a bit of that story for expedience, I assume.

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Could you expand on that? Curious to know what bigger influence they had other than steal her money. I also don't recall what made her X out her suicide date, but for some reason I thought she was just postponing it to ensure her that she gets to see Batman go to jail.

Speaking of which, anyone else laugh at all the Affleck chin jokes thinking of the (perhaps unintended) references to Batman?








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What chin jokes?

I remember the chin jokes, but what does that have to do with Batman?

The chin is Batman

True. Look at thing.

Still kind of a reach trying to find a connection to the chin jokes in the movie. Just my opinion.

In the book, she's all in to kill herself to "win". As time goes by and she relaxes at the Ozark place, that feeling just starts to abate. She meets the guy first, and he gives her some fish he catches in the lake. Then the other girl moves in and they become friendly acquaintances. Once they rob her she just becomes unhinged and desperate. It's not clear that the other woman recognizes her as Amy, but she clearly picks up on the fact she isn't who she says she is.

Amy likes watching the Ellen Abbott outrage at Nick, and her idiot friend that she sets up to be her lap dog reporting the pregnancy to Ellen, etc. That sort of energized her more than the relationship with the other 2 people, IMO.

THe book also gives a few more examples of some elaborate vengeance s** she did to others over the years that required insane patience and planning - but that doesn't come until the 2nd half "reveal."

^ Interesting. Good to know.

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He doesn't have another film lined up. Instead, he's directing the entire first season of Utopia for HBO next year, and that'll hit sometime in 2016.

He actually developed a big-budget version of 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea a few years ago that was all set to go, but the studio backed out at the last minute because of financing. He also flirted with the original Spider-man at one point, along with Episode VII (his first job was with Lucasfilm, and he grew up down the street from George Lucas), but neither of those talks never really went anywhere. 20,000 Leagues is the closest he's ever come to a huge blockbuster, but I feel like we'll get something franchise-worthy from him sooner rather than later. A giant Fincher blockbuster is pretty much my dream project.

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He doesn't have another film lined up. Instead, he's directing the entire first season of Utopia for HBO next year, and that'll hit sometime in 2016.

He actually developed a big-budget version of 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea a few years ago that was all set to go, but the studio backed out at the last minute because of financing. He also flirted with the original Spider-man at one point, along with Episode VII (his first job was with Lucasfilm, and he grew up down the street from George Lucas), but neither of those talks never really went anywhere. 20,000 Leagues is the closest he's ever come to a huge blockbuster, but I feel like we'll get something franchise-worthy from him sooner rather than later. A giant Fincher blockbuster is pretty much my dream project.

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I never really noticed that. Fincher hasn't really had any movies which took the box offices by storm..

A 20,000 Leagues movie by Fincher would be a perfect blend of adventure and his style. I'd line up to see it, but I also have a feeling it wouldn't be a huge draw for some reason.

I'm surprised he's directing an entire season. While it showed that Fincher only directed the first two episodes of House of Cards, it seemed to be more than enough to set the tone and look/feel of that series and the show didn't go downhill. But, Fincher being in the position he is, I'm sure he's doing it for himself.

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Haven't seen the movie (not sure if I want to since I hated the book ending), but, the biggest head scratcher for me is:

1.) They could have tested the ink in the diary to determine how old it was...would have destroyed the frame-up

2.) When Amy pins the kidnapping on Desi why doesn't nick then point to the woodshed where all of the gadgets were and ask Amy to explain that?

3.) How did nobody in the casino ever come forward about seeing Amy there?

4.) Wouldn't the cops have been suspicious when not a trace of hair, fingerprints, DNA or blood from Desi was in Amy/Nick's house nor in the purse by the river in Hannibal (book only)?

5.) If nick had killed Amy and tried to clean up the blood, why wasn't there any residue noticed in the house, in nick's car, on any of Nick's clothes?

6.) And just to be a nerd...Why didn't they just track his cell phone off of the towers in the local area. That would have given him a perfectly good alibi (same with Desi).

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Haven't seen the movie (not sure if I want to since I hated the book ending), but, the biggest head scratcher for me is:

1.) They could have tested the ink in the diary to determine how old it was...would have destroyed the frame-up

2.) When Amy pins the kidnapping on Desi why doesn't nick then point to the woodshed where all of the gadgets were and ask Amy to explain that?

3.) How did nobody in the casino ever come forward about seeing Amy there?

4.) Wouldn't the cops have been suspicious when not a trace of hair, fingerprints, DNA or blood from Desi was in Amy/Nick's house nor in the purse by the river in Hannibal (book only)?

5.) If nick had killed Amy and tried to clean up the blood, why wasn't there any residue noticed in the house, in nick's car, on any of Nick's clothes?

6.) And just to be a nerd...Why didn't they just track his cell phone off of the towers in the local area. That would have given him a perfectly good alibi (same with Desi).

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1 - I don't think they could tell the difference in ink from (let's just say) 6 months ago versus 3 years ago.

2- Amy made it clear that Nick would have to admit to all of the "shed purchases" in order for the story to work. Which he did.

3- She had her hair dyed, glasses on, maybe a hat. I don't remember all of the details. But she was definitely as incognito as she could be.

4 - The cops were willing accept her story because she sold it so well. Plus lack of evidence doesn't mean lack of a crime. Detective Boney saw through it though. She still knew something was off. So not ALL of the cops were eager to accept Amy's story and move on.

5 - There was tons of blood evidence left in the house (by Amy herself as we would come to discover). Again, cops can assume that the lack of evidence does not necessarily clear someone. Clothes with blood on them can be burned, ect.

6 - Nick lived in the house. Of course his phone is going to place him there. And phones can be left behind. For instance, if Desi did commit the crime, he wouldn't necessarily take his phone to Hannibal. So tracking a phone wouldn't work. Plus, because I'm a nerd, if the cops did decide to track Desi's cell phone movement, they would see that he was consistently visiting the lake house where Amy was staying ("being held prisoner") which would only further drive home Amy's story.


The book definitely leave some holes but that let's us have to think a little bit more to try and see just how good Amy was and to see if we, knowing all the true facts, can find something that Amazing Amy forgot or let fall through the cracks.

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Actually, in the book, if I am remembering correctly, she was back to blonde hair and no glasses so desi would recognize her.

In fact, a man approached her and asked a question.

95% of the book was really, really good. The ending killed it for me...made me feel like I did at the end of HIMYM.

One other thing...when Nick supposedly cleaned up the mess, why didn't they find any shoe prints that matched him?

when it comes out on dvd, someone needs to redub the NPH sex scene with the theme from Doogie Howser.

Man, what a crazy story. Can't see anybody else but Fincher doing this movie. I really liked the movie overall. Loved all the twists and how devious Amy was. I really liked the change in vibe after the first reveal and watching Nick try to manipulate things from his end. Things were a little strange after she returned; I thought the third act did feel a little rushed. Really really loved the ending though.

I think the ending was basically designed to make you feel like Nick. I really wanted him to get out of there and there aren't any great reasons that he can't leave, but you just feel completely trapped by Amy's twisted and manipulative brain.

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I did question the point of this. When it happened, I assumed this was going to be one of the lawyer's men who was out looking for her.

I enjoyed the movie very much. Well-acted.

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Maybe someone can explain this to me: How did she get pregnant at the end? I didn't understand that part at all.

NPH?

She got the frozen specimen

Ah, that makes sense. Though when did she have the time and privacy to undergo that procedure? (The implantation, that is.)

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In the book, at least, they talk about how many weeks after the return that things happened. They also do a really, really good job showing how/why Nick makes his choice to stay. They also show how Nick has become determined to make her life he'll for as long as he lives.

The more I think about it, the more I understand the ending...I still wish it had ended differently but it makes sense because they are both terrible, terrible people.

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Ah, that makes sense. Though when did she have the time and privacy to undergo that procedure? (The implantation, that is.)

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That's a good point, as the general advice is to be on bed rest like 48-72 hours after implantation. I guess she could have just told him, I'm going out of town on a book tour or something though.

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In the book, at least, they talk about how many weeks after the return that things happened. They also do a really, really good job showing how/why Nick makes his choice to stay. They also show how Nick has become determined to make her life he'll for as long as he lives.

The more I think about it, the more I understand the ending...I still wish it had ended differently but it makes sense because they are both terrible, terrible people.

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Really didn't feel that Nick nearly as horrible as her.

He is pretentious and self absorbed. He's has kind of has the fairytale expectations (as does she). Her "cool girl" description seems to capture his deal pretty well. He did cheat on her, but their marriage was a really weak, contrived, fairy tale marriage to start with, and it had become pretty disillusioned by that point. which kind of lessened, for me, the seriousness of his affair. She was upset in the way that most spouses would be upset. She was upset that he wasn't meeting her formulaic expectations of a trophy husband.

She's in a whole different ballpark of depravity, imo. He was the willing trophy husband. She was...I don't even know where to begin.

Absolutely. That is why I like the last interchange in the book. He found the perfect way to ruin her "perfect" life.

I could only imagine how effed that kid will be.

My wife had read the book and I had not and knew nothing other than it was a missing persons case with stuff seeming wrong. Neither one of us thought it was any good. Unbelievable main characters and illogical plot.