Give me a mind-blowing history fact

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Sapper Redux
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AgRyan04 said:

JABQ04 said:

Some very last defenders of Berlin were French SS. Truly an unenviable position. Die fighting or surrender to the Russkies, or survive that to be shot as a traitor by the French Government.




I guess that's one of those digging your own grave with the choices you make type scenarios


The extent to which the French accommodated fascism is really not well understood. De Gaulle did a great job convincing everyone that the French were resisting the Nazis when few did and many of those were from the French colonies.
Ghost of Andrew Eaton
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Sapper Redux said:

AgRyan04 said:

JABQ04 said:

Some very last defenders of Berlin were French SS. Truly an unenviable position. Die fighting or surrender to the Russkies, or survive that to be shot as a traitor by the French Government.




I guess that's one of those digging your own grave with the choices you make type scenarios


The extent to which the French accommodated fascism is really not well understood. De Gaulle did a great job convincing everyone that the French were resisting the Nazis when few did and many of those were from the French colonies.
This is strange since Communism also had a large following in France as well. Did certain regions embrace it more than others?
Sapper Redux
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The FTP was a communist resistance organization that was pretty effective (they waited until the Nazis invaded the Soviets in 41 before joining the fight). The Vichy regime in the South didn't face a ton of internal resistance until the allies had actually invaded. Resistance in the Nazi-occupied parts of France was higher.
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The founder of the Kentucky Derby and builder of Churchill Downs. was Merriweather Lewis Clark Jr..

William Clarks grandson.
BQ78
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And an evil Confederate general
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BQ78 said:

And an evil Confederate general.
That was Senior.
BQ78
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Whoops
Rongagin71
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The Leonid Meteor Shower of 1833 has also been
called "the night the sky fell"


p_bubel
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Monte Testaccio in Rome is a mountain of jars located right next to the ancient Tiber River port, and the Horrea Galbae warehouses, which would have been used to store imported goods like olive oil.

Markings known as "tituli picti" on the jars show that they originated primarily from Spain, Libya, and Tunisia. As many as 80 million pots make up the hill, which now stands 115 feet high, with another 45 feet under the modern street level.






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oragator said:

Don't care if it turns out to be not true….




I was just wondering where this is and then it all made sense.
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p_bubel
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Frederic Auguste Bartholdi had first intended to represent an "Egyptian peasant in Muslim garments." at the entrance to the Suez Canal and called the sculpture "Egypt Carrying the Light to Asia." However, Egyptian officials rejected the statue as too expensive, leading the architect to take his plans to America. He had to drop her Islamic robe and transform her into a Roman Goddess, renaming her "Liberty Enlightening the World."
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A few days ago I read the post about the man-made mountain of jars and was reminded about the WW2 debris mountains in Germany, called Schuttbergs. These were places where the rubble from bombed buildings was shoveled and loaded onto trucks and disposed away from the city centers. Heavily bombed cities like Stuttgart, Munich, Berlin, etc. have their own man woman-made Schuttbergs. The majority of the debris clearing workers were women (Trummerfrauen or rubble women), since German men were in short supply after the war.

Berlin has one of the most notable debris mountains named Teufelsberg (Devil's Mountain) located in what was once West Berlin. It stands 394 ft above sea level and is composed of 98 million cu yds of debris. It took 20 years to build the non-natural hill. In addition, 180,000 trees were planted on Teufelsberg.

During the Cold War, the Teufelsberg was occupied by American and British forces. Also a listening post was utilized by the NSA to spy on Soviet bloc countries. In the 1950's, a ski jump was opened and remained in existence until the late 1990's.

Today the Teufelsberg is no longer a spy station, but an out of the way tourist stop. It is a forest with hiking trails and access to the abandoned listening post.







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kind of similar (but much less morbid) version of the Mimizuka, an "ear tomb" in Japan which "enshrines the severed noses of at least 38,000 Koreans and over 30,000 Chinese killed during Toyotomi Hideyoshi's invasions."

"Traditionally, Japanese warriors brought back the heads of enemies slain on the battlefield as proof of their deeds....However, because of the number of civilians killed along with soldiers, and crowded conditions on the ships that transported troops, it was far easier to just bring back noses instead of whole heads."

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One more that I've probably posted before, but don't care.

The single most important document in US history, and likely one of the five most important documents in world history, is missing.
The copy of the DOI in the Smithsonian is the one that was signed when they got back at the end of summer. The one that was signed the week of July 4 (the fair copy) has been lost to history, if founders recollections are to be believed.
It was either destroyed so that the British could t get it, destroyed in the printing process when copies were made (26 of those copies called the Dunlap Broadsides are known to exist, many found in the last century and are worth millions on their own), or maybe, just maybe it's out there. Waiting to be one of the biggest and most important historical finds ever to happen.
So keep your eyes open at garage and estate sales.
 
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