Give me a mind-blowing history fact

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This has been a really enjoyable thread.

I always marvel at the Kongo Gumi construction company of Japan. It was founded in 578 AD when Germanic Tribes had finally sacked Rome and Mohammed was a baby boy and about to launch the expansion of Islam.

It remained under family management for over 1,400 years until finally rolled over and went bankrupt in 2006 and was acquired as a wholly owned subsidiary of Takamatsu corporation.

Crazy to think of all the cycles that family managed through in nearly a millenium and half of existence. They were the first group to avoid hereditary management and were known for demoting their senior employees if a certain work ethic and commitment was not in display.
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Fiesta San Antonio (or simply "Fiesta") is an annual 10 day festival held in April in San Antonio, Texas, and is the city's signature event (along with some events held in the following surrounding cities: Boerne, Schertz, Windcrest, Balcones Heights, and Alamo Heights) since 1891. The festival, also known as the Battle of Flowers, commemorates of the Battle of the Alamo, which took place in San Antonio, and the Battle of San Jacinto, which led to Texas' independence from Mexico in April 1836.

Fiesta is the city's biggest festival, with an economic impact of $340 million for the city. More than three million people take part, in more than 100 events that take place all over the city and beyond.

I believe, but haven't checked, that it is the largest party in the state.
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agrams said:

reading that link, i didn't know there was a special out of the way cemetery plot for American servicemen executed for crimes in the European theater. 94 plots there, but 98 total executions for crimes, of which Slovik was the only one in the plot for not committing murder or rape.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oise-Aisne_American_Cemetery_Plot_E
The whole video is worth watching but the part dealing with this topic begins at the 7:25 minute mark.
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[This is not a UFO theory thread. -Staff]
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It's really interesting to look at the race of the men who are on this list. One really dominates it.
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By way of comparison, the U.S. Army executed about 160 soldiers during and after World War II. Only one soldier was executed for desertion, Pvt. Eddie Slovik. The rest of the executions were for rape and/or murder.

This is amazing and shows you how much changed from WW1 to WW2.

I listened to Dan Carlin's really great WW1 podcast Blueprint for Armageddon and he had a section of the execution of French soldiers for desertion. The French Army shot more than 900 soldiers from 1914-1918 for disobeying orders or desertion.

The Italians executed nearly 800 for desertion in the same stretch despite having an army less than half the size of France's unit.









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StockHorseAg said:

It's really interesting to look at the race of the men who are on this list. One really dominates it.
WOW! No joke. Especially when compared to the number of soldiers of each race that were serving in those areas.
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Here is another good one.

The patent for the Fax Machine was awarded to Alexander Bain in 1843.

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Bain also experimented with telegraphy and discovered a unique method for recording messages. On early telegraph machines, an operator had to listen for the clicks representing the dots and dashes of Morse code and write down the message. Bain found that the same pulses of electricity representing the code could print a character on chemically treated paper. This discovery was the ancestor of that indispensable tool of late-twentieth century offices, the facsimile machine (fax).

Sadly, he was litigated into bankruptcy and returned back to the UK to work at a watch shop and die with little to show for his invention.
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I had the same thought.
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On that list is Louis Till, father of Emmett Till who was the 14 year-old boy murdered in Mississippi in 1955 after being accused of whistling at a white woman. A ring belonging to Louis Till was one of the few things that came back from Europe of Louis, obviously his body did not. His estranged wife passed the ring to her son Emmitt and it was the ring that helped identify Emmett's body when pulled from the river as it was severely disfigured.

There has been some doubt raised that Louis committed the crimes he was convicted of; the men who killed Emmett were never convicted of his murder and even confessed after being acquitted.

Let's just say justice during that time was not necessarily just.
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Born on September 6, 1698, in Orain, Burgundy, France, Jean Thurel embarked on an incredible military journey lasting an astonishing 75 years and 4 months. Enlisting at 18 in the Rgiment de Touraine in 1716, Thurel's unwavering commitment became legendary.

Facing the brutality of war, he survived a musket shot to the chest at the siege of Kehl in 1733 and seven sword slashes, six to the head, at the Battle of Minden in 1759, all while losing three brothers in the Battle of Fontenoy in 1745 and a son in the naval Battle of the Saintes in 1782.

Thurel's dedication, showcased in unconventional actions during the 1747 siege of Bergen op Zoom, earned him both scolding and admiration. At 88, he declined a carriage offer and marched the entire distance to the coast in 1787, a testament to his enduring spirit.

Meeting King Louis XVI in 1787, he received a pension upon retirement in 1792, remaining a private throughout his remarkable career. Even in retirement, his legacy thrived, meeting Napoleon in the early 1800s and earning admiration for a commitment that left an indelible mark on military history.

Source - The Historian's Den on FB
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Smeghead4761 said:

Born on September 6, 1698, in Orain, Burgundy, France, Jean Thurel embarked on an incredible military journey lasting an astonishing 75 years and 4 months. Enlisting at 18 in the Rgiment de Touraine in 1716, Thurel's unwavering commitment became legendary.

Facing the brutality of war, he survived a musket shot to the chest at the siege of Kehl in 1733 and seven sword slashes, six to the head, at the Battle of Minden in 1759, all while losing three brothers in the Battle of Fontenoy in 1745 and a son in the naval Battle of the Saintes in 1782.

Thurel's dedication, showcased in unconventional actions during the 1747 siege of Bergen op Zoom, earned him both scolding and admiration. At 88, he declined a carriage offer and marched the entire distance to the coast in 1787, a testament to his enduring spirit.

Meeting King Louis XVI in 1787, he received a pension upon retirement in 1792, remaining a private throughout his remarkable career. Even in retirement, his legacy thrived, meeting Napoleon in the early 1800s and earning admiration for a commitment that left an indelible mark on military history.

Source - The Historian's Den on FB


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That is a pretty incredible story indeed.
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Robert E. Lee was offered command of the Union Army by Lincoln in early April, 1961, but when Virginia seceded he tendered his resignation and joined the confederate army.
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My dad's squadron (67th, 347th, 339th, & 70th) shot Yamamoto down during WW2.

My dad didn't get to participate since he flew the P-39, but the guys in his group that flew the P-38's took him out.

Pilots Tom Lampheir and Rex Barber both claimed to have shot down Yamamoto. It became a big controversy. My parents said that when they went to a reunion (70's or 80's), the two former pilots weren't speaking to each other. Probably in the heat of the battle, it was hard to determine who actually shot Yamamoto down.
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RMS Lancastria was a British ocean liner requisitioned by the UK Government during the Second World War. She was sunk on 17 June 1940 during Operation Aerial. Having received an emergency order to evacuate British nationals and troops from France, the ship was loaded well in excess of its capacity of 1,300 passengers. Modern estimates suggest that between 4,000 and 7,000 people died during the sinking the largest single-ship loss of life in British maritime history.
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The Great Raft was an enormous log jam or series of "rafts" that clogged the Red and Atchafalaya rivers from perhaps the 12th century until its removal in the 1830s. It was unique in North America in terms of its scale.

The raft raised the banks of the river, creating bayous and several lakes. Called the Great Raft Lakes, these included Caddo and Cross Lakes, along the lower reaches of the Red River's tributaries. Ports developed along these lakes, and Jefferson, Texas, became the second-largest inland port in the United States during this period. The city thrived and was considered a major gateway to East Texas. It was important for shipping out area commodity crops, such as cotton.

When the log jams were removed, the water level in Caddo Lake and others dropped dramatically, reducing their navigability for riverboats. The ports declined, and riverboats ceased to travel in Caddo Lake.
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p_bubel said:



The Great Raft was an enormous log jam or series of "rafts" that clogged the Red and Atchafalaya rivers from perhaps the 12th century until its removal in the 1830s. It was unique in North America in terms of its scale.

The raft raised the banks of the river, creating bayous and several lakes. Called the Great Raft Lakes, these included Caddo and Cross Lakes, along the lower reaches of the Red River's tributaries. Ports developed along these lakes, and Jefferson, Texas, became the second-largest inland port in the United States during this period. The city thrived and was considered a major gateway to East Texas. It was important for shipping out area commodity crops, such as cotton.

When the log jams were removed, the water level in Caddo Lake and others dropped dramatically, reducing their navigability for riverboats. The ports declined, and riverboats ceased to travel in Caddo Lake.
There is also a man made dam on Caddo Lake.
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Britain made the last WW2 related US loan repayment in 2006.
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p_bubel said:

Britain made the last WW2 related US loan repayment in 2006.
Similarly, Germany paid its last debt payment regarding WWI in 2010.
#FJB
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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

p_bubel said:

Britain made the last WW2 related US loan repayment in 2006.
Similarly, Germany paid its last debt payment regarding WWI in 2010.


In a similar vein, Haiti had to pay reparations to France for its loss of wealth and slaves in order to stop the repeated attempts at reconquest. The payments stretched from 1825 to 1947 and resulted in about $21 billion leaving Haiti for France.
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Yep, one of the biggest and saddest historical travesties of all time. Imagine the 13 colonies paying reparations to England until about 1920 or so?

Those payments aren't the sole reason for Haiti's dysfunction but they were damn skippy part of the mess. Those reparations basically prohibited the development of a stable private property system in Haiti which is a large component of the dysfuction.

Having to pay for freeing yourself from an unjust bondage and basically a death sentence. Tragic.
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With the end of the Franco-Prussian War(1871), France was required to pay 5,000,000,000 francs to Germany before troops would end the occupation of France.
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
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In 1807, as the Napoleonic Wars dragged on, England was having a hard time keeping its navy afloat. It had removed almost all trees from its own shores and had run out of timber to build new ships.

Denmark tried its best to remain neutral during the wars, and to maintain that neutrality put its own sizeable fleet into harbor at Copenhagen.

England decided it needed the Danish fleet, so in August of 1807 it sent its fleet and army to Copenhagen and started bombarding the city, killing numerous civilians (from a neutral country, keep in mind). Denmark eventually surrendered its entire fleet to England to make the bombardment stop. England basically stole another country's entire fleet, killing peaceful noncombatants to do so.

So much for honor, chivalry, and the rules of war.

Battle of Copenhagen (1807) - Wikipedia
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p_bubel said:

Fiesta San Antonio (or simply "Fiesta") is an annual 10 day festival held in April in San Antonio, Texas, and is the city's signature event (along with some events held in the following surrounding cities: Boerne, Schertz, Windcrest, Balcones Heights, and Alamo Heights) since 1891. The festival, also known as the Battle of Flowers, commemorates of the Battle of the Alamo, which took place in San Antonio, and the Battle of San Jacinto, which led to Texas' independence from Mexico in April 1836.

Fiesta is the city's biggest festival, with an economic impact of $340 million for the city. More than three million people take part, in more than 100 events that take place all over the city and beyond.

I believe, but haven't checked, that it is the largest party in the state.
And, like virtually everything else done in San Antonio, it's another excuse to drink beer.
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After the Battle of Gettysburg approximately 24,000 loaded muskets were picked up off the battlefield. Of these, about half had multiple loads in them. This is at a battle fought by two veteran armies at this point. It hints at what many of the soldiers said in their letters home, that it took more courage to kill for your country, than to die for it.
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The first African-American officer killed in the Civil War was both a Confederate and Union officer.

Andre Cailloux was born a slave and apprenticed to the cigar making business in New Orleans. He was freed by his master in 1846 and started his own cigar factory in New Orleans. He married a mulatto woman, Felica Coulon, also born into slavery. Her mother purchased her freedom. Cailloux and her had four children. Cailloux's business was modestly successful and while not rich, he prospered and became a leader in the 10,000 person freedman's community of New Orleans, in part due to his reputation as one of the best boxers in New Orleans.

He became an officer in the city's Native Guards, a state militia unit for freedmen. Cailloux was a lieutenant in the Guards when Farragut's fleet arrived off the coast of Louisiana and was called into Confederate service. The Native Guards disbanded after the city was captured.

When the Native Guards were reactivated, this time in Union service, Cailloux was made a company commander, with the rank of captain. On March 27,1863 Cailloux and the Native Guards attacked Fort Desperate at Port Hudson. Cailloux was killed leading his company. A few days later a truce was called to bury the dead but the Confederates would not allow the Federal burial parties to bury the dead negro troops around Fort Desperate. As a result Cailloux's body laid in the ditch of Fort Desperate until Port Hudson surrendered on July 8. By then his body was unrecognizable except for a ring he was known to wear.

A large funeral was conducted in New Orleans, the former Catholic Church where the funeral was held still stands, as a community center.

Attack of Fort Desperate as depicted by Frank Leslie's Illustrated, the circled sword is supposed to represent Cailloux:



Cailloux's funeral procession in New Orleans from Harper's Weekly:



Cailloux's grave in St. Louis #2 cemetery in New Orleans:





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I would have assumed that multiple rounds would be a "heat of the battle" type of thing, people just forgetting to fire, or reloading after a misfire.

Are you saying that people pretended to shoot, because they didn't want to shoot anyone? Looks like it would have been easier to shoot at the ground or over the heads of the enemy
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Last Union officer killed in Civil War, 1st Lt. E.L. Stevens, Boykin's Mill, SC. Shot by a 14-year-old boy in the Confederate home guard, Burrell Boykin, on his family's land.

The family later developed a breed of retrieving dog known as the Boykin Spaniel. Really great restaurant on the Mill Pond now
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Should be noted that the Native Guard were never called into Confederate service. Their offers were repeatedly rebuffed and the state of Louisiana clarified that only white men could serve in the militia. The governor called them out when New Orleans was attacked, but they were given no orders other than to disband when the regular Confederate army units surrendered.
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There is no mistaking a misfire with a Civil War rifle, there is enough kick to know. Not saying there wasn't some heat of battle or panic causing multiple loads but some were guys just stacking them up and not firing.

Many also as you suggested just shot in the air and some of the soldiers admitted to this fact. But even shooting into the air you might hit someone but shooting into the ground would be too obvious in a mass formation. At Chickamauga, one Confederate soldier was caught firing into the air and his captain threatened to shoot him if he didn't stop. The soldier told the captain he could go ahead and shoot him but he wasn't going to appear before his God with the blood of his fellow man on his hands.

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Pretty much every unit in New Orleans was caught flat footed and didn't put up a fight after Ft. Jackson and Ft. St. Phillip. Hell, Farragut sailed right up to the levee and sent a hand full of sailors to take the city.

The Native Guards were at Camp Moore when the city fell, so no opportunity to use them whether they or the government even wanted it.
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Jabin said:

In 1807, as the Napoleonic Wars dragged on, England was having a hard time keeping its navy afloat. It had removed almost all trees from its own shores and had run out of timber to build new ships.

Denmark tried its best to remain neutral during the wars, and to maintain that neutrality put its own sizeable fleet into harbor at Copenhagen.

England decided it needed the Danish fleet, so in August of 1807 it sent its fleet and army to Copenhagen and started bombarding the city, killing numerous civilians (from a neutral country, keep in mind). Denmark eventually surrendered its entire fleet to England to make the bombardment stop. England basically stole another country's entire fleet, killing peaceful noncombatants to do so.

So much for honor, chivalry, and the rules of war.

Battle of Copenhagen (1807) - Wikipedia
Interesting sidenotes:

- I lived outside Copenhagen for from 1999-2001, the everyday Dane still talks about this bombardment and it being why there aren't that many buildings today in Copenhagen that date prior to 1807.

- I lived in the house built by the admiral of the Danish navy in 1944 after he had surrendered his fleet to Germany.

- The Danish surrender museum is very interesting: https://en.natmus.dk/museums-and-palaces/the-museum-of-danish-resistance/

- Over 99% of Denmark's Jewish population survived the holocaust. Denmark's smuggling of almost their entire Jewish population (7,220 of 7,800) across the Oresund to Sweden in one night was an incredible feat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescue_of_the_Danish_Jews
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- Over 99% of Denmark's Jewish population survived the holocaust. Denmark's smuggling of almost their entire Jewish population (7,220 of 7,800) across the Oresund to Sweden in one night was an incredible feat: [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescue_of_the_Danish_Jews][/url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescue_of_the_Danish_Jews
That is actually quite moving. It would have been far easier for the Danes to do nothing.
 
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